[cincinnatikid513]

la quinta the stadium course



Golf PGA Futures
The AMX - 1/16/2020 11:30 AM (EST)
Rickie Fowler +1100
Sungjae Im +1300
Byeong Hun An +2200
Tony Finau +2200
Paul Casey +2200
Scottie Scheffler +2800
Billy Horschel +2800
Cameron Champ +3000
Matthew Wolff +3000
Charles Howell III +3000
Kevin Kisner +3000
Brian Harman +3300
Phil Mickelson +3300
Francesco Molinari +3300
Jason Kokrak +3500
Brendon Todd +4000
Abraham Ancer +4000
Alex Noren +4500
Ryan Moore +4500
Vaughn Taylor +5000
Harris English +5000
J.T. Poston +5000
Kevin Na +5500
Russell Knox +5500
Lucas Glover +6000
Brendan Steele +6600
Danny Lee +6600
Denny McCarthy +6600
Zach Johnson +6600
Rory Sabbatini +6600
Andrew Putnam +6600
Chez Reavie +6600
Daniel Berger +7000
Scott Piercy +7500
Aaron Wise +8000
Harold Varner III +8000
Sebastian Munoz +8000
Cameron Tringale +9000
Joel Dahmen +9000
Henrik Norlander +10000
Adam Long +10000
Carlos Ortiz +10000
Brian Stuard +10000
Bud Cauley +10000
Nick Taylor +11000
Austin Cook +11000
Talor Gooch +11000
Nate Lashley +11000
Kyle Stanley +12500
Ryan Armour +12500
Wyndham Clark +12500
Nick Watney +12500
Richy Werenski +12500
Hudson Swafford +12500
Si Woo Kim +12500
Cameron Davis +12500
Kevin Streelman +14000
Beau Hossler +14000
Steve Stricker +14000
Max Homa +14000
Tyler Duncan +15000
Sam Ryder +15000
Jhonattan Vegas +15000
Michael Thompson +15000
Harry Higgs +15000
Kevin Chappell +15000
Russell Henley +15000
Brian Gay +15000
Bronson Burgoon +15000
Bo Hoag +16000
Aaron Baddeley +17500
Troy Merritt +17500
Peter Malnati +17500
Brice Garnett +17500
Bill Haas +17500
Andrew Landry +17500
Scott Stallings +17500
Stewart Cink +17500
Seung-Yul Noh +17500
Tom Hoge +17500
Kramer Hickok +17500
Lucas Bjerregaard +17500
D.J. Trahan +17500
Grayson Murray +17500
Martin Laird +20000
Patrick Rodgers +20000
Patton Kizzire +20000
Luke List +20000
Jason Dufner +20000
Greg Chalmers +20000
Jimmy Walker +20000
Matthew NeSmith +20000
Kyoung-Hoon Lee +22500
Chesson Hadley +22500
Chase Seiffert +22500
John Huh +22500
Fabian Gomez +22500
Scott Harrington +22500
Maverick McNealy +22500
Robert Streb +22500
Charley Hoffman +22500
Doc Redman +22500
Xinjun Zhang +22500
Zac Blair +22500
Ben Martin +22500
Anirban Lahiri +22500
Tim Wilkinson +25000
Adam Schenk +25000
Ted Potter, Jr. +25000
David Hearn +25000
Rob Oppenheim +25000
Ricky Barnes +27500
Robby Shelton +27500
Roger Sloan +27500
Josh Teater +27500
Scott Brown +27500
Rhein Gibson +30000
Sepp Straka +30000
Mark Anderson +30000
Isaiah Salinda +30000
James Hahn +30000
Ben Crane +30000
Joseph Bramlett +30000
Mark Hubbard +30000
Hank Lebioda +30000
Doug Ghim +30000
Chris Stroud +32500
Matt Every +32500
Mackenzie Hughes +32500
Cameron Percy +32500
J.J. Spaun +35000
Sam Burns +35000
Brandon Hagy +40000
Sebastian Cappelen +40000
Tyler McCumber +40000
Ryan Brehm +45000
Hunter Mahan +45000
Brian Smock +50000
Chris Baker +50000
Kristoffer Ventura +50000
John Senden +50000
Michael Gellerman +50000
Ben Taylor +55000
Rafael Campos +55000
Nelson Ledesma +75000
Michael Gligic +75000
Akshay Bhatia +75000
Vince Covello +100000
Bo Van Pelt +100000
Vincent Whaley +100000
Kevin Stadler +100000
Mark Wilson +100000
Martin Trainer +100000

[cincinnatikid513]

matchups for the sharp people


Golf PGA Spread Money Line Total Points
The AMX - Stadium Course - ??La Quinta, CA - Thursday, January 16, 2020 11:30 AM
7001 Paul Casey (Tourn) -1˝ +105 -115
7002 Tony Finau (Tourn) +1˝ -135 -105
7003 Cameron Tringale (Tourn) -1˝ +105 -115
7004 Adam Long (Tourn) +1˝ -135 -105
7007 Talor Gooch (Tourn) +1˝ -135 -105
7008 Brian Stuard (Tourn) -1˝ +105 -115
7025 Sungjae Im (Tourn) -1˝ +105 -115
7026 Paul Casey (Tourn) +1˝ -135 -105
7041 Byeong Hun An (Tourn) +1˝ -130 +100
7042 Charles Howell III (Tourn) -1˝ +100 -120
7045 Kevin Kisner (Tourn) +1˝ -135 -105
7046 Byeong Hun An (Tourn) -1˝ +105 -115
7069 Jhonattan Vegas (Tourn) -145
7070 Lucas Bjerregaard (Tourn) +115
7069 Jhonattan Vegas (1st Rnd) -140
7070 Lucas Bjerregaard (1st Rnd) +110
7071 Austin Cook (1st Rnd) +100
7072 Carlos Ortiz (1st Rnd) -130
7071 Austin Cook (Tourn) +105
7072 Carlos Ortiz (Tourn) -135
7039 Phil Mickelson (Tourn) +1˝ +100 +130
7040 Brian Harman (Tourn) -1˝ -130 -150
7043 Billy Horschel (Tourn) -2˝ -120 -165
7044 Cameron Champ (Tourn) +2˝ -110 +145
7047 Sungjae Im (Tourn) -1˝ +100 -115
7048 Tony Finau (Tourn) +1˝ -130 -105
7053 Hudson Swafford (Tourn) -110
7054 Kyle Stanley (Tourn) -120
7053 Hudson Swafford (1st Rnd) -110
7054 Kyle Stanley (1st Rnd) -120
7067 Si Woo Kim (1st Rnd) -120
7068 Tyler Duncan (1st Rnd) -110
7067 Si Woo Kim (Tourn) -120
7068 Tyler Duncan (Tourn) -110
7075 Brian Gay (Tourn) -110
7076 Brice Garnett (Tourn) -120
7075 Brian Gay (1st Rnd) -110
7076 Brice Garnett (1st Rnd) -120
7079 Aaron Baddeley (1st Rnd) -130
7080 Andrew Landry (1st Rnd) +100
7079 Aaron Baddeley (Tourn) -135
7080 Andrew Landry (Tourn) +105
7057 Kevin Streelman (Tourn) -120
7058 Bo Hoag (Tourn) -110
7057 Kevin Streelman (1st Rnd) -120
7058 Bo Hoag (1st Rnd) -110
7009 Bud Cauley (Tourn) -1˝ -105 -125
7010 Nate Lashley (Tourn) +1˝ -125 +105
7051 Harold Varner III (Tourn) -145
7052 Beau Hossler (Tourn) +115
7051 Harold Varner III (1st Rnd) -140
7052 Beau Hossler (1st Rnd) +110
7059 Kramer Hickok (1st Rnd) +100
7060 Michael Thompson (1st Rnd) -130
7059 Kramer Hickok (Tourn) +105
7060 Michael Thompson (Tourn) -135
7005 Denny McCarthy (Tourn) -1˝ +110 -110
7006 Daniel Berger (Tourn) +1˝ -140 -110
7011 Scottie Scheffler (Tourn) -1˝ -110 -130
7012 Francesco Molinari (Tourn) +1˝ -120 +110
7013 Brendon Todd (Tourn) +1˝ -120 +110
7014 J.T. Poston (Tourn) -1˝ -110 -130
7023 Rory Sabbatini (Tourn) -1˝ +100 -120
7024 Zach Johnson (Tourn) +1˝ -130 +100
7029 Sebastian Munoz (Tourn) -1˝ +100 -120
7030 Chez Reavie (Tourn) +1˝ -130 +100
7031 Francesco Molinari (Tourn) +1˝ -135 -105
7032 Jason Kokrak (Tourn) -1˝ +105 -115
7065 Russell Henley (Tourn) +105
7066 Ryan Armour (Tourn) -135
7065 Russell Henley (1st Rnd) +100
7066 Ryan Armour (1st Rnd) -130
7077 Kevin Chappell (1st Rnd) +100
7078 Max Homa (1st Rnd) -130
7077 Kevin Chappell (Tourn) +105
7078 Max Homa (Tourn) -135
7063 Cameron Davis (Tourn) -120
7064 Harry Higgs (Tourn) -110
7063 Cameron Davis (1st Rnd) -120
7064 Harry Higgs (1st Rnd) -110
7015 Harris English (Tourn) +1˝ -135 -105
7016 Lucas Glover (Tourn) -1˝ +105 -115
7027 Scottie Scheffler (Tourn) -1˝ +105 -115
7028 Jason Kokrak (Tourn) +1˝ -135 -105
7055 Nick Taylor (Tourn) -135
7056 Wyndham Clark (Tourn) +105
7055 Nick Taylor (1st Rnd) -130
7056 Wyndham Clark (1st Rnd) +100
7017 Scott Piercy (Tourn) -˝ +105 -115
7018 Danny Lee (Tourn) +˝ -135 -105
7073 Henrik Norlander (Tourn) -110
7074 Nick Watney (Tourn) -120
7073 Henrik Norlander (1st Rnd) -110
7074 Nick Watney (1st Rnd) -120
7019 Kevin Na (Tourn) +1˝ -115 +115
7020 Andrew Putnam (Tourn) -1˝ -115 -135
7021 Brendan Steele (Tourn) +1˝ -125 +105
7022 Aaron Wise (Tourn) -1˝ -105 -125
7033 Kevin Kisner (Tourn) +1˝ -115 +115
7034 Charles Howell III (Tourn) -1˝ -115 -135
7061 Vaughn Taylor (Tourn) -145
7062 Russell Knox (Tourn) +115
7061 Vaughn Taylor (1st Rnd) -140
7062 Russell Knox (1st Rnd) +110
7037 Alex Noren (Tourn) -1˝ +105 -115
7038 Ryan Moore (Tourn) +1˝ -135 -105
7035 Matthew Wolff (Tourn) +1˝ -120 +110
7036 Abraham Ancer (Tourn) -1˝ -110 -130

[cincinnatikid513]

power rankings pga tour.com


RANK PLAYER COMMENT
15 Paul Casey Paul Casey
The infrequent entrant from England placed T58 here in his only look at the current rotation in 2017, but he continues to be a top-20 machine no matter where he appears.
14 Henrik Norlander Henrik Norlander
Bracketed holidays with a T5 at Sea Island (where he was third in GIR) and a T9 at Waialae (where he was second in Strokes Gained: Putting). Tame conditions this week favor both skills.
13 Francesco Molinari Francesco Molinari
Not the kind of profile you'd expect to prevail in a shootout what with the random hot hands, but he placed T12 in his last appearance in 2017. Rested since late November.
12 Phil Mickelson Phil Mickelson
The tournament host twice has been a podium finisher here since 2016. Opened last year's T2 with a career-best-tying 60 at La Quinta CC. This is his first start since the Asian Swing.
11 Jason Kokrak Jason Kokrak
With short par 72s, there's everything to like about this long hitter who also piles up scoring opportunities. Finished T8 here in 2018 and T18 last year. Closed out the fall with a T8 in China.
10 Vaughn Taylor Vaughn Taylor
We'll never know if the holiday break did him any good because he picked up where he left off the fall (T2-T10) with a T12 at Waialae! Opened calendar-year 2019 with a T7 in this event.
9 Kevin Kisner Kevin Kisner
Entirely more scrapper than scorer, he's still almost always a threat – the guy you never should rule out. Has more experience than success in this event, but he's warm and fresh off a T4.
8 Brian Harman Brian Harman
Stumbled at Waialae (T32) with a third-round 74, but he has four top 20s this season. The lefty also went T11-T3-T20 here from 2016-2018 before missing last year's cut during a slump.
7 Tony Finau Tony Finau
Easy to chalk up his fall fade to the pressure of performing better to be a captain's pick for the Presidents Cup. Once fulfilled and refreshed, he finished fifth at the Hong Kong Open on Sunday.
6 Byeong Hun An Byeong Hun An
The only first-timer in the Power Rankings might wonder why it took so long to show up. His aggressive style is valuable in shootouts, but he also finished the fall by going T6-T8-T14.
5 Harris English Harris English
Making the most of conditional status with four top-six finishes already this season. His spot in the pecking order doesn't change midseason unless he wins. Third in GIR. T11 here in 2018.
4 Charles Howell III Charles Howell III
With but a T12, he retained the top spot in all-time earnings at Waialae despite the absence of a victory. Perfect in his last 11 appearances in this event with three top 20s since 2016.
3 Scottie Scheffler Scottie Scheffler
Given the stress of unusually challenging conditions at Waialae, it's probably addition by subtraction in that he took the week off. He's rested and ready to let loose at this week's flags.
2 Rickie Fowler Rickie Fowler
His image is on local billboards, so the valley is eager to get its first look since 2014. As a pro, he's familiar only with La Quinta, but he'll feel right at home not far from his roots in SoCal.
1 Sungjae Im Sungjae Im
Including last year's T12 here and last week's T21, he has 21 top 25s in 42 starts as a member. It's scary to consider how experience should continue to contribute to the impressive résumé.

[firedawg]

Good info

Thanks

[jjgold]

Scottie Scheffler +2800

[veriableodds]

2 days time for homework

[RudyRuetigger]

i need to find a break down of the courses


fantasy golf, you just pick golfers

they play different courses so the value is below:

we need the easiest course and the course most likely to yield 3 birdies in a row

ie: par 5, short par 4, par 5

[RudyRuetigger]

winner usually shoots insanely low so need good putters

and ive fukkin been there but forget the courses

[RudyRuetigger]

someone link the sbr golf guys writeup

[firedawg]

winner usually shoots insanely low so need good putters

and ive fukkin been there but forget the courses

Harman

[cincinnatikid513]

can't go wrong with brendon todd

[RudyRuetigger]

Harman

good point

i kinda like horschel as well but how is he putting

[cincinnatikid513]

3 courses

Stadium Course
la quinta country club
nicklaus tournament course

la quinta


La Quinta Country Club is not your typical desert course. It’s described as being a tighter course, well bunkered with mature trees. It requires strategic course management, which is why both pros and amateurs alike favor it. Our fairways have been a virtual walk of fame. The elite of Hollywood, Monarchs, Presidents and 'The King' - Arnold Palmer - have matched their wits and talents with our famous 18 holes. Whether you’re a scratch golfer, a beginner, or fall somewhere in between, you’ll soon realize why this is a paradise for all player levels.

Rating 74.3 | Slope 136
7060 Yards | Par 72


Jack Nicklaus Tournament Course

hallenge, beauty and drama permeate every Jack Nicklaus-designed course, and this masterful design is no exception. Around every corner you will find a new challenge, including the rare feature of two island greens. At 7,204 yards long, The Nicklaus Tournament Course has a stroke rating of 75.3 and a slope rating of 143

A true ball strikers' golf course, The Nicklaus Tournament along with the Stadium Course is the bi-annual host of the PGA TOUR’s final round of Q-School, which is attended by some of the best players in the world. Nicknamed by Members as the Nick Tourney, it is both very forgiving off the tee and extremely demanding around the greens. Without a doubt, a “must play” for not only a great test of golf, but for its magnificent desert setting

Stadium Course

When you think of PGA WESTŽ, it is the Stadium Course that first comes to mind. Rated one of the "Top 100 Courses to play" (2016-2017) by GOLF Magazine and 4th toughest course in America in Golf Digest’s "Top 50 Toughest Courses in America" (2007), there may be no greater challenge or excitement in the game of golf . At 7,300 yards, the Stadium Course has the highest stroke (76.1) and slope (150) ratings of all the courses at PGA WESTŽ.

A Pete Dye golf course, Stadium delivers multiple adrenaline rushes throughout the round. Stadium is the Host course for the PGA TOUR "Q-School" Finals every other year. Golfer's must navigate the island green of hole #17, known as Alcatraz, as well as the menacing water-lined 18th as they end their golfing journey. Imagine needing to make par-par on two of the toughest finishing holes in golf to win a PGA TOUR tournament or to earn the coveted PGA TOUR card!

Named "Stadium" thanks to Dye's ingenious plan to sculpt spectator seating into the natural terrain, many historic moments in golf have occurred here, including Lee Trevino's unforgettable hole-in-one on Alcatraz. This won him a carry-over Skin worth $175,000 in the 1987 made-for-TV "Skins Game," hosted at PGA WEST from 1986-1991. With five sets of tees, the Stadium lures all skill levels.


all info copied from the tournament website

[RudyRuetigger]

jack nicklaus course is biannual host of qschool?

completely wrong

first, doesnt bi-annual mean twice a year?

second, im pretty sure qschool was florida, arizona, florida the last 3 but could be wrong so i dont think it happens even EVERY 2 YEARS

some fact check

but think im right

[RudyRuetigger]

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Biannual means "twice a year," as does semiannual, whereas biennial means "occurring every two years."

[RudyRuetigger]

ill fact check the qschool as well, you guys hang on

[cincinnatikid513]

i just copied and pasted rudy have no clue

i see weather looks nice thur thru sun should be alot of birdies

[RudyRuetigger]

2019- florida
2018 - arizona
2017 - arizona
2016 - florida


i was basically right again

[RudyRuetigger]

i just copied and pasted rudy have no clue

i see weather looks nice thur thru sun should be alot of birdies

i wasnt talking about you bro

it was clearly a copy/paste

i just questioned their writing

and i was right

[cincinnatikid513]

i wasnt talking about you bro

it was clearly a copy/paste

i just questioned their writing

and i was right

prob from 5 years ago too lazy for,them update site

give us some good matchups u like ur the golf expert around here

[veriableodds]

1rst bet breakdown of 1unit-%-stake whatever you call it. 1 broken down(0.50 divided among fist 50-- 0.30 divided among second 50---0.20 divided among last 54 players

[cincinnatikid513]

1rst bet breakdown of 1unit-%-stake whatever you call it. 1 broken down(0.50 divided among fist 50-- 0.30 divided among second 50---0.20 divided among last 54 players

i just donate a little bit ona few guys and hope one is still left on sunday in contention the sharp thing would be look at matchups

[veriableodds]

i just donate a little bit ona few guys and hope one is still left on sunday in contention the sharp thing would be look at matchups

it can be broke down exact math wise just no time
just one tourney matchup for me this week
b Horschel/-165-vs-c champ

on sunday will go with/against leader depending
hf all

[cincinnatikid513]

took all the guys at 35-1 at my book for a quarter each hoping somebody will be in contention sunday have something to watch

kokrak
ancer
todd

[RudyRuetigger]

i think i mightve said it before, but i check most golf blogs


Josh Culp at rotoworld really does an excellent job of breaking things down



to me, most others are just guys bullshitting trying to fill their min word/post requirement

[RudyRuetigger]

The Courses

There are three courses being used this week. It's the same rotation of courses that we've seen for the last four years at this event. The host course is the Stadium Course at PGA WEST which means each golfer will play two rounds at the Stadium Course, if they make it through the cut line.
Stadium Course at PGA WEST (Host Course):
Pete Dye established himself as one of the world's most famous course designers but sadly passed away last week. One of his tracks will be on display this week as the host venue.
This course is known as a sequel or continuation of TPC Sawgrass. It shares a lot of the same characteristics including railroad ties to shape holes and lots of water hazards.
The Stadium Course is the hardest of the bunch this week but still on the easy side of the spectrum when it comes to all PGA TOUR venues. That would definitely change if they weren't setting this up for a pro-am format. Easier pin placements and generous rough this week lets this course play a bit easier.
During tournament week, this course is a par 72 that plays just over 7,100 yards. Pretty short but there is water in play on nearly half the holes (7). You can still play aggressively at this course but you need to go it in a way that takes water out of play as much as possible.
The turf is listed as bermudagrass here but it's that time of year where the bermuda is dormant so it's overseeded with ryegrass and poa trivialis. The greens are just 5,000 square feet on average (small) and will have a target stimp rating of 11 feet.

Nicklaus Tournament Course at PGA WEST:
The Nicklaus Tournament Course was introduced to the AmEx rotation in 2016 and is not to be confused with the Nicklaus Private Course which was used before that.
Nicklaus Tournament is a par 72 that plays to 7,159 yards during The AMX. Three of the four par 5s play under 550 yards which is going to generate a lot of scoring chances.
The course record of 62 is shared by Kevin Na and David Lingmerth which goes to show that you don't need to overpower this layout because both are some of the shortest hitters on TOUR.
The field scoring average is just 69.46 over the last four years (-2.54 RTP). One of the easiest course setups these pros will see all year.

La Quinta Country Club:
It's funny to think that La Quinta used to be the hardest course in the rotation but it's now arguably the easiest. It's really neck and neck for that honor but La Quinta has averaged -2.58 RTP over the last four years which is slightly easier than the Nicklaus Tournament Course over the same time frame.
It's another par 72 and it plays to 7,060 yards on the scorecard. Very short. All four of the par 5s are under 550 yards. It also has six par 4s under 415 yards.
Adam Hadwin holds the course record here (59) and had this so say about it, "La Quinta is one of those courses where obviously if you’re hitting the ball well off the tee — it’s much more narrow than the other two golf courses — but if you’re hitting it well on the tee you got a lot of wedges in, you can be aggressive and the greens here are always so pure."
Just like the other two courses, we have dormant bermuda turf with ryegrass overseed. The pin placements and green speeds will be kept on the easy side to help amateurs reduce their pace of play.

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/cu...xpress-preview

[RudyRuetigger]

this guy does his homework in and out...same article listed above:


Course Quotes

Sifting through some past quotes, let's try to break down the course to see how it will play.
Adam Hadwin: "Living in Phoenix for the last seven years or so now it’s kind of all the golf that I’ve seen, mostly. So the way it sets up, the way the grass is, the way the greens are, this is what I grew up putting on as well, so I love putting on the West Coast. I feel like chipping from around the greens seems a lot easier, just the way the grass is. I struggle with Bermuda still and so I kind of like to make hay on the West Coast when I can."
Phil Mickelson: "my goal or game plan of playing the Stadium Course is to actually hit drivers and to try to bomb it down there as close to the greens as you can. Even though the — because the fairways are tight in a lot of areas and if I miss fairways, try to have wedges or short irons in — and it seemed to play out okay today and I gave myself a lot of good chances."
Beau Hossler: "[On La Quinta] You get a lot of wedges in your hand and I think if you get the ball in the fairway you can get relatively aggressive into the greens. So certainly I would say the first 13 holes are really gettable and then from there it’s trying to hold on the last few holes can get tricky. "
Hudson Swafford: "I think you need to hit your irons well here. I think you need to give yourself as many birdie opportunities as possible. Putting is a big part of this event, but the greens are a little tricky to read with the overseed."
Martin Piller: "I’ve played the Stadium Course a bunch throughout the years. I played Q-Schools here, I’ve always felt like I’ve always played pretty well on the Stadium Course. It’s a tough course, but I always play it really well. So I kind of rely on past Q-Schools and playing here a few years ago as well, I kind of relied on those good memories, good shots that I hit to kind of give me a lot of confidence for that."
Overview: Mickelson proves that it's possible to be aggressive at the Stadium Course. Others talk about the overseeded grass. Some really like it while others would prefer bermudagrass. As Piller mentioned, some of the golfers will have seen the Stadium Course during Q-School or college events.

[RudyRuetigger]

abu dhabi tonight

better field

koepka back

[cincinnatikid513]

abu dhabi tonight

better field

koepka back

bryson

[Mike Huntertz]

I played the Stadium course in October and it was Bat Sh!t tough.
16 is called San Andreas fault and if you are left you have a wall straight up to get to the green.
I got a par on the island hole 17, the famous Trevino hole in one.
Fun track but not good for the ego.
I will watch and tail one of you ……..get me a winner....please.

[RudyRuetigger]

I played the Stadium course in October and it was Bat Sh!t tough.
16 is called San Andreas fault and if you are left you have a wall straight up to get to the green.
I got a par on the island hole 17, the famous Trevino hole in one.
Fun track but not good for the ego.
I will watch and tail one of you ……..get me a winner....please.

yes i remember that

16 has sand all along the left fairway as well doesnt it?

then like fukkin 30-40ft drop off at green, with sand there as well if im not mistaken

[jjgold]

Betting golf is like betting craps

Hundred player deep tournaments tough to cape

[RudyRuetigger]

yes i remember that

16 has sand all along the left fairway as well doesnt it?

then like fukkin 30-40ft drop off at green, with sand there as well if im not mistaken

17 is pretty far downhill and a big green

i dont think really that tough

if i remember these correctly

[Mike Huntertz]

yes i remember that

16 has sand all along the left fairway as well doesnt it?

then like fukkin 30-40ft drop off at green, with sand there as well if im not mistaken

Exactly!

[Mike Huntertz]

17 is pretty far downhill and a big green

i dont think really that tough

if i remember these correctly

If it wasn't an island, easy peezy…..the water gets in my head.
Pete Dye was a sadist.