[mojobullfrog]

I wouldn't mind having a look at these if you could PM me some links, particularly if they really are new.

Sent. Check your PM.

[Joey10]

WOW This thread surprises me a lot. I used to value CanBet up there with 5Dimes and Pinnacle (which WAS my favorite one). I thought Pinnacle was second to none until they would not let USA people bet through their site. The whole NeTeller thing.

Again just surprised with CanBet. Now I am strictly a 5Dimes guy these days wish I could say something about the payouts but havae not had an issue since it seems like my greed gets in the way of collecting money

[King_Suckerman]

Did you look at the blogs Optional?
Pretty disgusting in my view.

[Optional]

Did you look at the blogs Optional?
Pretty disgusting in my view.

Haven't had a proper look yet but will get back to you.

[mojobullfrog]

Haven't had a proper look yet but will get back to you.

Another bunch of fake blogs has just been posted via @PeterLordC, @graemewhiteC and @Canbet2 on Twitter. Optional, I'll send them to you via PM. Of particular note now in the Canbet blogs is their continual reference to Delta Corp.

I've lost count of how many blogs have popped up in the past fortnight, but there would be at least 50. They are obviously doing all they can to combat the negative blows our group have struck. In my book, the more blogs they churn out with the keywords "Peter Lord of Canbet" or "Graeme White of Canbet", the guiltier they look. Having said that, it's probably more vital than ever to keep fighting their deceptive tactics.

[Optional]

I agree Mojo... not really sure who they are trying to influence as they must make anyone who runs across them looking for info on White or Lord scratch their head and wonder what the hell is going on.

[cantbet2014]

Yeah, with the sudden appearance of new blogs it's so important to keep up the twitter pressure. I've noticed in recent days that the number of people tweeting is way down from where it was and I'm just as guilty of that so I include myself in that criticism. The fact that Lord/White/Nourse keep pumping out this bilge shows we're having an effect but we need to maintain our old levels. So let's keep it going everyone!

[mojobullfrog]

I'd second what Canbet2014 has said. More and more fake blogs are being churned out every week for Lord and White, with just one aim in mind - to cover their arses, so they can form new business relationships with people unaware about what took place at Canbet.

If you don't have my email address, PM me and I'll tell you how we can fight back. I plan on escalating matters.

[Kova]

I sure hope that more people join fight against this scam. Questions that still needs to be answered, what is Gambling Commission purpose? Are they responsible too? Only reason I invested money into canbet was that little mark on the bottom, Gambling Commission certificate. Otherwise I would not join! Btw what is your story guys?

I had 21 bets in row, that I won, and I had withdraw request even after 5th or 10th bet! Rest were all tries to get out money to other bookie, but unlucky just buried myself ...

[lcasey]

Hi Kova , and anybody else out there caught up in the CANBET SCAM OF PETER LORDS , this is my story please read ,thanks http://exposepeterlordofcanbet69.blogspot.co.uk/

[fidelio]

In the early days of the Canbet withdraw crisis SBR were amazing. This includes Shari who hot footed over to Canbet headquarters to find them gone at short notice, surprise surprise. The scale of the collapse could not be much larger, UK GC told me they had over 100K clients. It's been a long time since those withdraw requests went in, two years in fact.

Our group leader has has been fantastic and we have all contributed where necessary. SBR has a sportsbook complaint system and I lodged my Canbet withdraw complaint some time ago. SBR seem to have gone from extreme to the other regards Canbet client positions. I hope for a meaningful update soon.

Regards

Fidelio

[44hawk]

You say the cause of all this was an IT glitch which meant that players who had not turned over the correct amount was getting the bonus. I also believe that it was given to players who had not signed up for the bonus but I stand to be corrected on that point?

Well here is a chance for you both to prove that it was an IT glitch, name all the players and provide their email addresses? You can even ask their permission to do it they have nothing to hide after all.

Lets face facts with all the action going on it seems incredible that not one player has come forward to say they did, I know I would to help people.

Lets not hold our breath.

[mojobullfrog]

You say the cause of all this was an IT glitch which meant that players who had not turned over the correct amount was getting the bonus. I also believe that it was given to players who had not signed up for the bonus but I stand to be corrected on that point?

Well here is a chance for you both to prove that it was an IT glitch, name all the players and provide their email addresses? You can even ask their permission to do it they have nothing to hide after all.

Lets face facts with all the action going on it seems incredible that not one player has come forward to say they did, I know I would to help people.

Lets not hold our breath.

I think with all we've uncovered about Lord's other business interests (Nature Vet, TIEG, IAEE, plus his property scams), we can safely assume ethics have never been high on his priority list.

[44hawk]

I want to PM you but as I do not have 40 posts? If I send you my email in parts can you email me?

jamesmel1

[44hawk]

I think with all we've uncovered about Lord's other business interests (Nature Vet, TIEG, IAEE, plus his property scams), we can safely assume ethics have never been high on his priority list.

I want to PM you but as I do not have 40 posts? If I send you my email in parts can you email me?

jamesmel1

[Optional]

I want to PM you but as I do not have 40 posts? If I send you my email in parts can you email me?

jamesmel1

Wait for him to PM you his email.

[chachi]

Hmmmm ... PMing an email address / outside contact info used to lead to a PM ban ..

[Optional]

Hmmmm ... PMing an email address / outside contact info used to lead to a PM ban ..

Thanks for the reminder Chachi. But these guys have a bit more slack than usual to help them organize.

[mojobullfrog]

Check your PM's 44hawk.

[44hawk]

Apologies for the email reference but swimming upstream at the moment so your compassion is appreciated.

[pajo1206]

I am very glad that we did not step away.
As long we fight there is a chance to get those two bastards.

[mojobullfrog]

1) The company formerly known as Canbet Sports Bookmakers UK Ltd (4607216 Ltd) has had its intention to be struck off the registry published in the London Gazette. In other words, this is the first part of the process a company must follow in order to become dissolved. This is now the window of opportunity for any past customer or employee to make a formal objection, and hence prevent this from happening. The proviso for this is that any said customers or employees must still be actively engaging in methods to obtain monies owed. If you fit into this category, then please contact me.


2) The Australian Federal Police (AFP) are currently investigating the alleged misappropriation of taxpayer money, used in the establishment and ongoing running of Peter Lord's International Academy of Equine Education (IAEE).


3) The attention of the Canbet Action Group (CAG) now turns to the Indian company Delta Corp Ltd. Delta Corp owned 60% of Interactive Gaming and Sports Pty Ltd or IGAS. And of course, IGAS was the holding company for Canbet. In addition, two of Delta Corp's current executive team were actual directors of IGAS, alongside the Australian-based duo of Peter Lord and Graeme White. We have just launched our new website which provides all relevant information about Delta Corp's involvement in the Canbet collapse and its aftermath. To view this site, you can easily find the link by searching the #canbet twitter feed, or by sending me a private message.

[mojobullfrog]

At the time of this post on Canbet's website, the 2 directors were still Peter Lord and Graeme White. Some Classic quotes!

[mojobullfrog]

Curious if any of the tens of thousands of customers had difficulty making a deposit to Canbet in 2013. Not one report of it during the September '13 to December '13 period... and no references to it ever happening, since.

[mojobullfrog]

A new website has been created to inform everyone about Delta Corp's involvement in the collapse of Canbet.

None of their management or directors are prepared to respond to my emails. And one of their auditing companies has blocked my IP from sending emails to them, whilst they snoop through my Linked In account!

deltacorp DOT info

Cheers.

PS. If SBR are still feeling charitable about our group's cause, perhaps they could consider positing this link via a tweet, or a new story on their website?

[cantbet2014]

I don't understand why Delta Corp think the best way to deal with us is to ignore us. We are not a disparate bunch of psychotic individuals plucking random grievances out of thin air. We are a motivated and organised group who are only interested in 1) getting the money back that is rightfully ours and 2) seeing that those people responsible for this farce of a situation are held to account so it doesn't happen again.

If Delta Corp had responded to our email I have no doubt we would now be engaged in meaningful dialogue with them. The only reason we have taken to twitter and created a dedicated website is to raise awareness about a situation that could have and should have been dealt with by them at the time. Nearly 2 years now since the Canbet fiasco started to emerge yet in all that time Delta Corp haven't made a single public utterance about it.

On their website it says "Delta is committed to observing recommended corporate governance practices." This is laughable. You can't simply pick and choose when you commit yourself to ethical and lawful business. As I've tweeted to Peter Lord and Graeme White in the past, this whole situation goes away if you just take responsibility, engage with us and treat us with the respect we deserve. They respected us enough to allow us to deposit yet not enough to allow us to withdraw. Funnily enough they ignored me too. Who knows, maybe Delta Corp haven't responded to our email because they have an IT glitch?

[Jack JJ]

It's interesting isn't it? I looked at the accounts of Delta (available on their site) and they bang on about governance and being responsible. I assume they do so as it's important in their industry rather than because they really mean it (otherwise you wouldn't stand by and watch while Canbet sell 000's of people down the river). I wonder if all their stakeholders and customers / suppliers realise their involvement? Like it or not, they invested in iGAS and so they invested in Lord and White. If you will defer to them 2 to run it, then you should retain some responsibility for their actions. If they really cared about the people they do business with, they should have reached out to us and made it right. They could have cut out Lord et al and given us a settlement, even 50p in the £. I'm sure we'd all take it. But they've stood by and done nothing.

Next. I don't understand why no formal wind up of Canbet in the UK has happend? Clearly the net worth of the balance sheet is zero but there are other assets that would be worth something. For example, the customer list. A list of all the names of people with accounts. That would be worth a lot of money and other gambling companies would pay for that. Think of all those welcome offers, emails and marketing all designed to attract new customers - that's how much companies want new customers and so I wonder who that list was sold to? Did Lord sell it to someone and pocket the money? Delta? Something must have happened to it because it had value.

[JayZ]

It was my view expressed way up in this thread that the UK Canbet companies were not placed into liquidation as that would then lead to an Insolvency Service investigation into the conduct of the directors.

[Jack JJ]

You may well be right JayZ. And apologies as this may have been discussed elsewhere in the thread but do we know how to appoint a receiver? As creditors, this might be something we can do. A Receiver would look into the business and as well as trying to sell any remaining assets to pay creditors (unlikely there us anything left), it would also look at the conduct of Directors for potential wrongful / fraudulent trading and it might be that they could be liable for such actions?

[mojobullfrog]

Just for clarification purposes, a receiver was appointed for the parent company IGAS here in Aus.

I'm unsure about the legal framework for customers appointing a receiver, and anyway the time for this may well have passed. Certainly a lateral idea though. Would be interested to hear other people's thoughts.

[Jack JJ]

Ah I see. Well I'm not sure what impact that would have then. One theory is that the receiver of IGAS could call on the assets of Canbet as it's subsidiary in any wind up and so that customer list and anything else of value would be sucked up unto that. However, if that's not allowed then in theory, that list still belongs to the Canbet company unless it's been unlawfully sold. Not sure.

I did look and it seems quite easy to appoint a Receiver, you just need to make an application on line and apply to the courts. You'd probably need proof that the company owes you money but can't imagine that's too hard! However I think it's about £1,500 to do this. While it would get someone in to look at the company and uncover any customer list as well as potentially pursue Directors for any wrongful trading, the receiver would get paid first out of any assets and then people like staff next (which might include Lord) before we got a cut of anything left. Unlikely we'd see a penny even if the list was sold on to someone as part of the wind up. The most attractive part of this option is to have the Courts look into the Directors. Arguably if they were found to be trading illegally (I.e continuing the business when they ought to have reasonably seen that they could not pay their creditors and to carry on would only make things worse - Nb they probably have the GC on their side with regards to that as that's one reason they said they waited so long to pull their license) then I'm not sure if they could be made personally to make things right?

Anyway, in other news, I see the directors applied to strike off canbet from the register. Someone objected and it was denied. However they then went on to change their name to Company 4607216 and that company is now being struck off. Notice was posted a few weeks ago so if someone objects within 3 months of that then it can again be denied. It's free to do and just involves an email to companies house. Again you just need proof they owe you money so shouldn't be too hard. If you search for Canbet, they are not longer listed. But company 4607216 is.

Denying strike off at least keeps the company alive.

[King_Suckerman]

I would have thought that selling customer information breaches th UK Data Protection Act but I'm no expert and am happy to be corrected by someone who is!

[Jack JJ]

It's quite common. Especially marketing companies. I think as long as the company you sell it to carries on using it for a similar purpose .... and a few other rules, but it's quite common. I get all sorts of emails from various companies that make it quite obvious that my info has been passed on (including other bookies).

Canbet would not have any value for that data recognised in their accounts but it definitely would have been worth a lot. It would have been sold at some point either in the IGAS wind up or possibly unlawfully at some point (with people pocketing the proceeds). If it's still unsold then it's something that could be made use of to help the people owed money get something back (but that's a long and (as above) expensive process that probably isn't worth doing).

I think for now, if anyone has a court order in their favour, it's worth sending to Companies House to stop the strike off. It's free and easy to do and it keeps the company legally in existence. It might be pointless, but for now it keeps the possibility of legal action against the company (and hence possibly directors) alive, e.g if a receiver were ever to be appointed. If the company is struck off, then any legal company obligations disappear with it and it's another step closer to Lord walking away from this thing with no repercussions.

[chachi]

And company "Aa6559609 Limited" warrants watching I believe

[JayZ]

A winding up order can be sought by anyone owed more than £750 by a company. The court fees for hearing this petition are £280 plus £1250 deposit against the costs of winding up, plus some other costs like required advertising of the action in The Gazette. Normally you need to prove attempts to recover the money previously, such as a court judgement, bailiff statement etc.

Now we all know that the ex-Canbet companies won't have anything in them. Both of the companies are overdue with filing accounts and returns, itself a criminal offence.

The only advantage to be gained would be that the court would appoint an official receiver that would look into the conduct of the company to assess whether it was properly run (as well as attempting to realise any assets, which would effectively be zero).

Misconduct would be reported and then the directors would be investigated as to any potential criminal behaviour.

So to start all this someone owed £750+ would need to take a £2k+ punt at one of the companies with no prospect of any immediate gain, but opening up an investigation.