[Tully Mars 63]

This almost makes me wish I had a FB page.

[Tully Mars 63]

I don't buy that this is your main reason for not liking Obama - not one bit. If it were, there would be a record here of you complaining about how uphill from day 1 that mission was. At least a few posts from Jan 2009 from you and your current crowd of "let's give him a chance and see how this plays out". Nope, day 1 was about the Obama dow jones tank job. Paid stooge JJ still leads that charge.

For the record - the right did NOT want Guantanamo closed (they got what they wanted)
The Right proposed the basis of the ACA (Obamacare) during the 90's. They and the Rx companies got what they originally wanted
The Right said they wanted a strong leader internationally. Obama risked the relationship with Pakistan and still executed what he campaigned on (going in and asking for permission later). OBL DOA
Remember how Libya was going to be an American bloodbath and quagmire? How many soldiers did we lose to get that dictator out of office?
Remember how he'd never be able to wind down Iraq? OH MY GOD - it didn't happen exactly in his original timetable. Guess what, ending wars is a lot ******* tougher than starting them.

Remember when Obama invited Repubs to every initial policy gathering? Remember how the repubs said their #1 priority (3.5 ******* YEARS AGO) was to ensure Obama was not reelected.

You tell me how you would have tried to cater to the Right better? You tell me, when literally the day of your inauguration, you have Rush Limbaugh (mouthpiece to millions), Drudge, FoxNews plus people like Steve King and Chris Christie already blaming a tanking Dow for a guy who has been in office 12 hours. Remember the outrage over Obama's Nobel Prize? A prize he didn't petition for, and even joked he didn't deserve. A prize given by foreigners?

See, some of us lost family or friends during the Iraq war (for me it was a friend). It was obvious shortly after the war started that it was based on LIES. How did people magically (to this day still >50% of repubs) believe Saddam was tied to 911? Remember the threat of Saddam and a mushroom cloud over a US city? How about Saddam spraying us with chemical equipped drones? I remember it clearly.

That was a trillion dollar hit (yet tax cuts were passed). I understand soldiers die, but when they die for a war based on lies, some of us hold onto that a little longer than obviously others do.

But people like you, or Opie you worry only about money in your own pocket. Maybe you served in your younger days, but now you're all just anti government everything and part of the "I got mine" party.

Obama has shown that there is some actual room for real change for some people. Gay folks serving in the military. People who have a sick kid and want to start a business but couldn't previously get insurance. Penalties for CC companies who were (and still are) raping people. Just 3 examples of real change that would never have occured under McCain. Maybe you disagree with those changes, but whining about how "he never did anything" is utter bullshit.

In the end, guys like SBRJohn and Opie care about taxes only. They lose their shit over any misstep and blame it on "well look how the left acted" to justify their immaturity.

It's easy to used coded racist language like Opie, or to hide behind vague whining like SBRJohn and say "he said he'd work with the other side" and wax on poetically about Reagan. When pressed for specifics, however, it's always vague. Asked about 2000-2008, and immediately it's "oh here come's the blame it on Bush" to prevent any comparison.

If your best hope is that Romney might be the same so why not give him a try, I hope for your side, that there's a bit more passion than "let's try someone else".

I have ZERO issue with Mitt being rich. My issue is that his major plank is that his business experience is what America needs right now.

- He's evasive about Bain (to put it mildly)
- He's evasive about where he's hid his money (a republican complaint from the primaries)

Your best chance, is a business man who's platform is that he's rich because he's smart at business. But he won't show even the basics of how he's gotten rich, and he won't be up front about his business. Oh yeah, and Obama can be questioned non stop about his faith, but the Mormon (previously called a "cult" by many republicans) suddenly is off limits.

Maybe he'll win. Maybe you'll sit and count more money while more kids get sent to die in places like Iraq.

Good luck to you.

Quite the post. One question- who did SBR John support in 2008? I wasn't around these parts then so I feel the need to ask even though I suspect I know the answer.

[Shafted69]

Quite the post. One question- who did SBR John support in 2008? I wasn't around these parts then so I feel the need to ask even though I suspect I know the answer.

he did not vote for Obama

[rkelly110]

Muldoon owning!

[opie1988]

he did not vote for Obama

Correct. He voted for the American.

[Tully Mars 63]

he did not vote for Obama

Interesting, thanks.

[no gnu taxes]

For the record - the right did NOT want Guantanamo closed (they got what they wanted)

Depends on who "on the right" you refer to. Many on the right were even more critical of Bush's policies than leftards. The main point anyway was what a ******* hyopcrite Obama was alomg with his fellow moonbats for their deranged attacks on Bush regarding the matter.

The Right proposed the basis of the ACA (Obamacare) during the 90's. They and the Rx companies got what they originally wanted

I'm not sure who advocated what, but I don't remember national health care being any kind of mainstream issue among Republicans.

The Right said they wanted a strong leader internationally. Obama risked the relationship with Pakistan and still executed what he campaigned on (going in and asking for permission later). OBL DOA

Obama was playing golf the Sunday the SEALS were preparing for the mission. He did get to rubber stamp it, I suppose and leak the name of the Pakistani Doctor who made it possible who is now being tortured in a Pakistani prison. So, congrats, Brack Hussein.

Remember how Libya was going to be an American bloodbath and quagmire? How many soldiers did we lose to get that dictator out of office?

Qdaffi had become an ally of the US before Obama took Office.

Remember how he'd never be able to wind down Iraq? OH MY GOD - it didn't happen exactly in his original timetable. Guess what, ending wars is a lot ******* tougher than starting them.

Ending a war by tucking your tail and running is pretty easy. Violence in iraq has escalated since the withdrawal.

Remember when Obama invited Repubs to every initial policy gathering? Remember how the repubs said their #1 priority (3.5 ******* YEARS AGO) was to ensure Obama was not reelected.

[no gnu taxes]

Remember when Obama invited Repubs to every initial policy gathering? Remember how the repubs said their #1 priority (3.5 ******* YEARS AGO) was to ensure Obama was not reelected.

Would that be one when his response to GOP proposals was to sneer, "I won,"

[King Mayan]

Correct. He voted for the Central American.(panama)

Fixed.

[SBR_John]

I don't buy that this is your main reason for not liking Obama - not one bit. If it were, there would be a record here of you complaining about how uphill from day 1 that mission was. At least a few posts from Jan 2009 from you and your current crowd of "let's give him a chance and see how this plays out". Nope, day 1 was about the Obama dow jones tank job. Paid stooge JJ still leads that charge.

For the record - the right did NOT want Guantanamo closed (they got what they wanted)
The Right proposed the basis of the ACA (Obamacare) during the 90's. They and the Rx companies got what they originally wanted
The Right said they wanted a strong leader internationally. Obama risked the relationship with Pakistan and still executed what he campaigned on (going in and asking for permission later). OBL DOA
Remember how Libya was going to be an American bloodbath and quagmire? How many soldiers did we lose to get that dictator out of office?
Remember how he'd never be able to wind down Iraq? OH MY GOD - it didn't happen exactly in his original timetable. Guess what, ending wars is a lot ******* tougher than starting them.

Remember when Obama invited Repubs to every initial policy gathering? Remember how the repubs said their #1 priority (3.5 ******* YEARS AGO) was to ensure Obama was not reelected.

You tell me how you would have tried to cater to the Right better? You tell me, when literally the day of your inauguration, you have Rush Limbaugh (mouthpiece to millions), Drudge, FoxNews plus people like Steve King and Chris Christie already blaming a tanking Dow for a guy who has been in office 12 hours. Remember the outrage over Obama's Nobel Prize? A prize he didn't petition for, and even joked he didn't deserve. A prize given by foreigners?

See, some of us lost family or friends during the Iraq war (for me it was a friend). It was obvious shortly after the war started that it was based on LIES. How did people magically (to this day still >50% of repubs) believe Saddam was tied to 911? Remember the threat of Saddam and a mushroom cloud over a US city? How about Saddam spraying us with chemical equipped drones? I remember it clearly.

That was a trillion dollar hit (yet tax cuts were passed). I understand soldiers die, but when they die for a war based on lies, some of us hold onto that a little longer than obviously others do.

But people like you, or Opie you worry only about money in your own pocket. Maybe you served in your younger days, but now you're all just anti government everything and part of the "I got mine" party.

Obama has shown that there is some actual room for real change for some people. Gay folks serving in the military. People who have a sick kid and want to start a business but couldn't previously get insurance. Penalties for CC companies who were (and still are) raping people. Just 3 examples of real change that would never have occured under McCain. Maybe you disagree with those changes, but whining about how "he never did anything" is utter bullshit.

In the end, guys like SBRJohn and Opie care about taxes only. They lose their shit over any misstep and blame it on "well look how the left acted" to justify their immaturity.

It's easy to used coded racist language like Opie, or to hide behind vague whining like SBRJohn and say "he said he'd work with the other side" and wax on poetically about Reagan. When pressed for specifics, however, it's always vague. Asked about 2000-2008, and immediately it's "oh here come's the blame it on Bush" to prevent any comparison.

If your best hope is that Romney might be the same so why not give him a try, I hope for your side, that there's a bit more passion than "let's try someone else".

I have ZERO issue with Mitt being rich. My issue is that his major plank is that his business experience is what America needs right now.

- He's evasive about Bain (to put it mildly)
- He's evasive about where he's hid his money (a republican complaint from the primaries)

Your best chance, is a business man who's platform is that he's rich because he's smart at business. But he won't show even the basics of how he's gotten rich, and he won't be up front about his business. Oh yeah, and Obama can be questioned non stop about his faith, but the Mormon (previously called a "cult" by many republicans) suddenly is off limits.

Maybe he'll win. Maybe you'll sit and count more money while more kids get sent to die in places like Iraq.

Good luck to you.

Search my posts from the 2008 campaign. I was a big Obama supporter. You should apologize for sterotyping me but I won't hold my breath. The man promised change, promise to compromise and promised to unite us. He did none of these things. His Marxists comments are un American and nauseating. They hardly unite anything except the far left. He is an utter failure and should be replaced. We should always vote out failures.

[rickbo528]

This is what the country is up against. A bunch gullible asshats that can be manipulated this easy because there is a D next to someones name.

Hey, you finally said something that makes sense. If you have a D next to your name, you are a gullible asshat!!!!!!

[muldoon]

Search my posts from the 2008 campaign. I was a big Obama supporter. .

Best I could find (I'm sure they're in there somewhere if you say so though) was a thread where you referred to Obama as a Pet Rock. One where you gave him a B- and said he wasn't impressive in the debate, and one where you said you picked up McCain at +130

If you can be more specific about how I've stereotyped you in a wrong way, I'll gladly apologize.

I'll double my apology once you admit that SBR has higher than normal tolerance (and even encouragement) for racists and bigots.

[andywend]

Aww look....another brokedikk fukk angry that not everyone is lazy and broke like himself.

Sorry, pal. Unlike you, I have no interest in sitting around collecting 96 weeks of unemployment while bitching how guys like me should give more of our money to lazy fukks like yourself.

I'm not going to be held hostage by guys like Thor and his merry band of libtards who try to make hard working, motivated people feel guilty for their successes. I've worked hard for everything my family has. No one gave me anything. Nor did I ask for handouts. I saw an opportunity where I could use the few talents I was blessed with combined with a indefatigable desire to make it, put my head down and went to work.

The only lucky break I got was the good fortune of being born in a place where this kind of thing is still possible. That's what sets the USA apart. Not the miserable, defeated gloom you spread at every opportunity.

Opie, during the Obama administration both you and I continued to work hard and were rewarded for it and liberal idiots like Thor sat on the couch and collected their extended unemployment checks.

Instead of trying to pull themselves up, the only thing Thor and his gang of liberals want to do is bring us down which is why Obama continues to cater to them with his class warfare bit.

Our country could be saddled with the worst nightmare possible (a 2nd Barack Obama presidential term) and come 2016, you and I will still be doing just fine with people like Thor complaining even louder about how unfair the world is.

What we're both scared of is Obama taking away the opportunity that every American currently enjoys.

Thor's ideal political climate would be a country that has no private sector with the public sector controlling everything. A country where hard work doesn't get you any separation from those who refuse to produce.

A COUNTRY LIKE NORTH KOREA which is exactly where Thor should go.

Muldoon, I'll reply to your liberal rag piece (post #175) in due course.

[muldoon]

Muldoon, I'll reply to your liberal rag piece (post #175) in due course.

Take your time. I'm sure your jaw needs a rest after your Opie BJ post.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Best I could find (I'm sure they're in there somewhere if you say so though) was a thread where you referred to Obama as a Pet Rock. One where you gave him a B- and said he wasn't impressive in the debate, and one where you said you picked up McCain at +130

If you can be more specific about how I've stereotyped you in a wrong way, I'll gladly apologize.

I'll double my apology once you admit that SBR has higher than normal tolerance (and even encouragement) for racists and bigots.

Welcome to every online forum ever created.

[The Kraken]

Opie, during the Obama administration both you and I continued to work hard and were rewarded for it and liberal idiots like Thor sat on the couch and collected their extended unemployment checks.

Instead of trying to pull themselves up, the only thing Thor and his gang of liberals want to do is bring us down which is why Obama continues to cater to them with his class warfare bit.

Our country could be saddled with the worst nightmare possible (a 2nd Barack Obama presidential term) and come 2016, you and I will still be doing just fine with people like Thor complaining even louder about how unfair the world is.

What we're both scared of is Obama taking away the opportunity that every American currently enjoys.

Thor's ideal political climate would be a country that has no private sector with the public sector controlling everything. A country where hard work doesn't get you any separation from those who refuse to produce.

A COUNTRY LIKE NORTH KOREA which is exactly where Thor should go.

Muldoon, I'll reply to your liberal rag piece (post #175) in due course.

Since you claim you worked, and implied I was sitting on my couch, which apparently I rec'd a w-2 for, how about we compare w-2 for the last 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 years or so and lets see how this "conservatives work hard while liberals sit on the couch collecting unemployment" debate goes for ya. Sound good kiddo?

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Liberal idiot checking in...

Since you claim you worked, and implied I was sitting on my couch, which apparently I rec'd a w-2 for, how about we compare w-2 for the last 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 years or so and lets see how this "conservatives work hard while liberals sit on the couch collecting unemployment" debate goes for ya. Sound good kiddo?

Instead of worry with that small sample size... why don't we just look at this...

The BIGGEST US WELFARE STATES
–Year Researched Data———2009————-2007————2008———-2009
State——-% of Pop on Welfare—–Spending on Welfare—-Total on Welfare—–Unemp
#1. California……………3.30%………………$3.28 BILLION………..1,212,893…….11.5%
#2. Maine………………..2.37%……………….$61.73 MILLION………..31,148……….8.3%
#3. Tennessee………….2.15%……………..$91.28 MILLION……….133,505……….10.7%
#4. Massachusetts…….2.09%…………….$295.29 MILLION………136,033………8.2%
#5. Vermont…………….2.02%……………..$30.92 MILLION………..12,543……..7.3%
#6. Wash DC…………..1.99%……………….$18.67 MILLION………..11,806………..10.7%
#7. New York…………..1.92%………………$1.47 BILLION…………..373,305………8.2%
#8. Minnesota…………..1.88%………………$106.29 MILLION………98,028…….8.2%
#9. Washington…………1.86%………………$265.88 MILLION……121,864……..9.4%
#10. New Mexico……….1.83%………………$58.87 MILLION…….36,322…………..6.5%
#11. Indiana……………..1.83%………………..$102.27 MILLION…..116,430……….10.6%
#12. Rhode Island……..1.79%……………….$57.4 MILLION…………..18,839…………..12.1%
#13. Michigan…………..1.60%………………..$380.93 MILLION……….164,589………14.1%
#14.Pennsylvania……….1.60%………………$247.29 MILLION………198,666…………8.2%
#15. Oregon…………….1.55%………………….$83.85 MILLION……….58,831………….12.4%

13 of the 15 states on the list voted for who in 2008? Oh... yes, Obama.

And this isn't always a perfect way to do it... for instance, the reason Tennessee is on this list is because of Memphis... any guesses as to who got the majority of the votes in Memphis?

[jbart28]

Fuk Obama and fuk your race card. He is one big epic fail and will soon fall if voter fraud is kept in check

[The Kraken]

pwad, I know the statistics. I also know that there are others here that would put what I make to shame. This is just about Andy. I'm not concerned about a larger sample size.

Andy wants to make this personal, so I'm just obliging.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

pwad, I know the statistics. I also know that there are others here that would put what I make to shame. This is just about Andy. I'm not concerned about a larger sample size.

Andy wants to make this personal, so I'm just obliging.

From what I've read from him, he'd be better off not making it personal. Cold hard statistics work best when debating welfare and politics, at least for right wingers.

[Balco10]

He was here in Portland Oregon today to campaigning and to see his brother in law Craig Robinson who looks exactly like his sister. Christ the traffic was screwed all over all day. Hope the trip was worth it and the waste of tax payers money! It's a predominant liberal State that is going to vote for him, so why spend-spend the Air Force One at 180K per hour.

[jbart28]

Take a look at which states are doing better now. It is the repub gov states that are doing much better than the libtard nanny states like brokedik california where entire cities are confimed BUSTO. Stockton is a prime example of what this entire country will look like once Obama is done with his fair shot, fair share reparations schtick

[The Kraken]

Don't worry Balco, in 4 years, if Romney is President, he'll be flying to Oklahoma and Texas to campaign. And guess how he'll be getting around? AF1.

I honestly think any time the president flies it has to be on AF1. Just a price we pay to protect the president of our country.

Just business as usual in Washington.

[Shafted69]

Best I could find (I'm sure they're in there somewhere if you say so though) was a thread where you referred to Obama as a Pet Rock. One where you gave him a B- and said he wasn't impressive in the debate, and one where you said you picked up McCain at +130

If you can be more specific about how I've stereotyped you in a wrong way, I'll gladly apologize.

I'll double my apology once you admit that SBR has higher than normal tolerance (and even encouragement) for racists and bigots.

he was such a big supporter of Obama that he voted for McCain.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/178217-obama-did-not-vote-him-but-im-coming-around.html

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Don't worry Balco, in 4 years, if Romney is President, he'll be flying to Oklahoma and Texas to campaign. And guess how he'll be getting around? AF1.

I honestly think any time the president flies it has to be on AF1. Just a price we pay to protect the president of our country.

Just business as usual in Washington.

I can't tell if you are serious. The president could get on a crop duster plane and that plane is then called Air Force One...

[Balco10]

Don't worry Balco, in 4 years, if Romney is President, he'll be flying to Oklahoma and Texas to campaign. And guess how he'll be getting around? AF1.

I honestly think any time the president flies it has to be on AF1. Just a price we pay to protect the president of our country.

Just business as usual in Washington.

You think? Did they or not abuse this privilege? How many vacations in this plane in this bad economy?

[stevenash]

Obama taught at the University of Chicago, he was a Senior Lecturer there for 8 years, used their resources there to get where he is today.

J D Rockefeller founded that University, built it from scratch, funded that.
"If you have a business, you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen"
Really Barry? Who made University of Chicago happen. Rockefeller, and Rockefeller only.

Yet Barry targets people exactly like a Rockefeller.

Nothing was taken out of context, Barry spoke his mind, got called out on it, now is back pedaling by crying "out of context"

How is this quote taken out of context?

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Did someone else besides Rockefeller make the University of Chicago happen?

[stevenash]

Obama still trying to explain ‘you didn’t build that’ comment

By Dave Boyer
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The Washington Times
Tuesday, July 24, 2012

Amid signs that Republican Mitt Romney’s attacks on President Obama’s economic views are having an impact, Mr. Obama is trying for the second straight week to clarify his comments that self-made entrepreneurs aren’t entirely responsible for their own success.

At a campaign event in California Monday night, Mr. Obama accused the Romney campaign of “splicing and dicing” his controversial comments for partisan gain. And he tried to emphasize his belief in American entrepreneurship.“I believe with all my heart that it is the drive and the ingenuity of Americans who start businesses that lead to their success,” Mr. Obama told supporters at a rally in Oakland. “I always have and I always will.

The ability for somebody who’s willing to work hard, put in their sweat and their sacrifice to turn their idea into a profitable business, that’s the nature of America. That’s what helped make our economy the envy of the world.”The president is still trying to explain away comments he made on the stump on July 13 in Roanoke, Va., when he implied that entrepreneurs don’t deserve all the credit for their own success.“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help … Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive,” Mr. Obama said at the time.

“Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”Mr. Romney and his Republican allies have seized on those remarks, turning into an anti-Obama TV commercial and a campaign theme that the president doesn’t understand American capitalism.And there’s evidence the attacks are gaining traction with voters. A USA/Today Gallup poll released Monday found that a record number of Americans express skepticism about Mr. Obama’s view of the activist role of government:

61 percent say the government is trying to do too many things that should be left to individuals and businesses. Gallup said it was the highest number since the polling outfit began asking the question in 1992.And despite the Obama campaign’s relentless attacks on Mr. Romney’s record at Bain Capital, the survey found that 63 percent of the public believes the Republican would do well handling the economy as president, with only 29 percent viewing him unfavorably on the economy.Even Sen. Bob Casey, Pennsylvania Democrat and a friend of the president, suggested Monday that he didn’t agree with Mr. Obama’s remarks.“Everyone knows that when someone builds a business and is successful, they’re successful for a variety of reasons,” Mr. Casey told an audience in Harrisburg, Pa.

“One of the reasons they’re successful is they work hard. Usually, sometimes they just get lucky, but a lot of the times — probably most of the time, at least in terms of people I’ve talked to over the years, it’s hard work.”Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said the president’s views are revealing and wrong-headed.“Americans everywhere — including Senator Bob Casey, a prominent Obama supporter — all agree: government isn’t responsible for building our nation’s businesses,” she said in a statement.

“It’s just the latest out-of-touch remark from a president who has consistently made life more difficult for job creators and middle-class workers. Mitt Romney will deliver a new direction by pursuing pro-growth policies that help entrepreneurs create new businesses and hire new workers.”The president said Monday night that this latest attack on him is just election-year politics.“Now, look, in politics we all tolerate a certain amount of spin,” he said. “I understand these are the games that get played in political campaigns, although when folks just omit entire sentences of what you said … they start kind of splicing and dicing, you may have gone a little over the edge there.”He said there’s a “real choice at stake” in the election and accused Mr. Romney of favoring “top-down” economics that go against the American tradition.

We built this country together — individual entrepreneurs taking advantage of opportunities and putting their sweat and tears into it, and all of us making investments in things like public schools and public colleges and universities, the Hoover Dam and the Golden Gate Bridge,” Mr. Obama said. “That’s how we sent a man to the moon. If Mr. Romneydoes not understand that, then he doesn’t understand what it takes to build an economy where everybody has a shot to succeed — from the worker who punches a clock to the entrepreneur who wants to take a chance on a new idea.”

[SBR_John]

Best I could find (I'm sure they're in there somewhere if you say so though) was a thread where you referred to Obama as a Pet Rock. One where you gave him a B- and said he wasn't impressive in the debate, and one where you said you picked up McCain at +130

If you can be more specific about how I've stereotyped you in a wrong way, I'll gladly apologize.

I'll double my apology once you admit that SBR has higher than normal tolerance (and even encouragement) for racists and bigots.

That's all you could find? Hmmm,,,kind of like Obama's record, let's pretend it doesn't exists. Here's a few I guess you somehow missed(apology accepted);


05-10-09 07:24 PM SBR_John "He was however fairly elected with a mandate. He is doing what he said he would do and what the majority elected him to do. Lets give him a chance."

10-08-08 12:17 PM #23
SBR_John I'd give Obama a B- and McCain a C.

05-02-09 09:56 AM #1
SBR_John
I was in Amsterdam when he held a short news conference. People scurried and crowded around the TV to get a glimpse of the new American President. For the first time in a while I was proud of my President.

I dont agree with many of his policies. But I am one conservative that can honestly say I'm glad he is the President of the USA.

05-02-09 11:34 AM #10
SBR_John
I just think the President should have full command of the issues and have a near 6th sense of good judgement. He is extremely highly respected in the world and that makes the world a little bit safer. It is possible that anti-American sentiment could decrease under this man. And stronger relations may well lead to better trade and security deals with the world at large.

Bottomline is I still dont like higher taxes but I'm willing to take a dose of the bad. He is no Ronald Reagan who was the greatest but I get the same feeling that America is making a comeback just like when Reagan took over.

05-02-09 03:30 PM #21
SBR_John
Lost, Dwight, Obama and the rest of my fellow conservatives; Let's give him a chance. This is not Johnson or even Jimmy Carter. The problems at home call for some intelligent and creative thinking and not simply down party lines. The problems abroad scream for a clean, fresh approach and this guy has one.

05-02-09 03:55 PM #28
SBR_John
Right now he is dealing with problems in the banking and auto industry in a smart way imo. He is working hard and looks to be working smart. He is smarter than I thought and looks to be doing a great job so lets give the devil his due.

I just like the way he is not following party lines and just jumping in and tackling problems. America is standing tall again in the world. Now we need him to realize you can not tax business at 40% when the rest of the free world has a tax rate closer to 30%.

08-11-10 12:33 PM #155
SBR_John
Obama seems like a decent enough guy. He screwed me on my GM bonds but hey, wtf. The bailouts seemed to have worked, Hard to imagine if Bank America, Citi and most of the major banks and insurance companies failed and two of three autos also failed. I doubt in fact, check that, have no doubt that McCain would NOT have done a better job with the financial crisis. I still will not vote for people trying to over tax me but like I said, Obama seems like a decent enough guy.

1-25-11 01:55 AM #7
SBR_John
Obama is doing a decent job but is just not moderate enough to be a uniter like a Reagan or even a Clinton.

[Tully Mars 63]

Search my posts from the 2008 campaign. I was a big Obama supporter. You should apologize for sterotyping me but I won't hold my breath. The man promised change, promise to compromise and promised to unite us. He did none of these things. His Marxists comments are un American and nauseating. They hardly unite anything except the far left. He is an utter failure and should be replaced. We should always vote out failures.

I really thought you'd said you supported Obama before but couldn't remember. You don't think he compromised on the debt ceiling and other issues? I think you're wrong. I hear one of the main complaints on the left is his answer to compromise is "you want chicken for dinner and I want fish... sooo... we'll go with the fish."

And how's he suppose to comprise or accomplish bi-partisan anything when the other party has made it very clear the only thing they are willing to do is make Obama look bad so he won't be re-elected? I don't know what you consider to be Marxists or UN-American on Obama part but the GOP's refusal to do anything that might help US citizens until they get back the WH is pretty sickening to me.

And what makes you think Mitt will get any better response from the Dems on getting things done? Plus what does he want to do? So far most of his proposals have been "I'll do it differently then Obama... How? The health care proposals on the GOP home page are get rid of the ACA and three vague concepts with no explanation of how they'll do them and a statement they want to get rid of abortion.

I agree with voting away our failures but but replacing them with a another failure is no answer either. I'd support Mitt wholeheartedly if 1.) He was putting forth details plans. 2.) Didn't change his position on major issues on a regular basis. 3.) Was more open and honest about his finances. I don't need to see years of his returns, likely wouldn't make any sense to me anyway. But I'd like to know he's not hiding his money overseas to avoid paying taxes during a time of war. 4.) If his plan wasn't to increase military spending while the budget and spending is so out of control.

[rkelly110]

Exactly! Mitt the Mormon moron.

[opie1988]

Exactly! Mitt the next President of the United States.

Fixed.

[rkelly110]

OK, Mitt (the next POTUS) Mormon moron. Sorry for our choices for pres.

[Thor4140]

Opie, during the Obama administration both you and I continued to work hard and were rewarded for it and liberal idiots like Thor sat on the couch and collected their extended unemployment checks.

Instead of trying to pull themselves up, the only thing Thor and his gang of liberals want to do is bring us down which is why Obama continues to cater to them with his class warfare bit.

Our country could be saddled with the worst nightmare possible (a 2nd Barack Obama presidential term) and come 2016, you and I will still be doing just fine with people like Thor complaining even louder about how unfair the world is.

What we're both scared of is Obama taking away the opportunity that every American currently enjoys.

Thor's ideal political climate would be a country that has no private sector with the public sector controlling everything. A country where hard work doesn't get you any separation from those who refuse to produce.

A COUNTRY LIKE NORTH KOREA which is exactly where Thor should go.

Muldoon, I'll reply to your liberal rag piece (post #175) in due course.

Andy, andy, andy when ya gonna stop lying and bring some facts to the table? Everyone knows that Insuurance salesman don't work hard and i will offer u this bet. I will put up ten thousand to your 100 dollars that i haven't been on unemployment insurance since Bush or Obama took office. Instead of constantly lying u no good piece of shit put your money where your mouth is. Surely risking 100 dollars to get back 10 thousand is a sweet deal. Andy stick to your ponzi scheme job which is in the top three of most disrespected jobs in all of America. Just behind a tout and a used car salesman. Andy you do not work hard. You prey on the misery of others. Stop trying to tell people you work hard. You are an insurance salesman for goodness sakes?

[Thor4140]

Obama taught at the University of Chicago, he was a Senior Lecturer there for 8 years, used their resources there to get where he is today.

J D Rockefeller founded that University, built it from scratch, funded that.
"If you have a business, you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen"
Really Barry? Who made University of Chicago happen. Rockefeller, and Rockefeller only.

Yet Barry targets people exactly like a Rockefeller.

Nothing was taken out of context, Barry spoke his mind, got called out on it, now is back pedaling by crying "out of context"

How is this quote taken out of context?

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Did someone else besides Rockefeller make the University of Chicago happen?

jIf you can't see how they are spinning his words then maybe you should stay out of the discussion. You are the type of guy these spinning of words target. A gullible nitwit who doesn't know any better.