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    Does Anyone Bet Steam Moves Anymore?

    It use to be a huge word in the betting industry but seems too have died out

    Books move to fast now?

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    ask yourself

    which is the sharpest #

    1. Opener

    2. Closing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Odom View Post
    ask yourself

    which is the sharpest #

    1. Opener

    2. Closing
    Sammy sharp as a tack here, as always.
    The problem with steam is you don't always know what prompted said steam. There are times where you do not want to be part of that.

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    I am going to look this week and see how fast usa books move off a big offshore change

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I am going to look this week and see how fast usa books move off a big offshore change
    Post a video of your analysis. The only thing steaming over here is the morning toilet pal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I am going to look this week and see how fast usa books move off a big offshore change
    its soon to be the other way around.. give it a few more years

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    Quote Originally Posted by hubie69 View Post
    Sammy sharp as a tack here, as always.
    The problem with steam is you don't always know what prompted said steam. There are times where you do not want to be part of that.
    Agreed-unless you have the ability to make your own line you will not be able to identify value and you follow too many false moves.

    Letís ask Sammy what is more predictive early steam or late steam? Not all steam is created equal! Or what about injury or weather steam???

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    Sharp money is not bet in the United States because the lines are too wide and you get banned if you spot a weakness


    Biggest action is taken by credit books offshore

    Has been that way forever and will always be that way

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    Steam always has been a joke in my mind. Find a line and if it has value in your eyes bet it. Simple stuff. I hate when ppl fade for the sake of fading also. Make your own plays

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    When a line doesnt make sense PLUS STEAM



    yes im betting max on it

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    I remember books would kick out steam players

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMetsSuck View Post
    Steam always has been a joke in my mind. Find a line and if it has value in your eyes bet it. Simple stuff. I hate when ppl fade for the sake of fading also. Make your own plays
    well said

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    Yes

    Only in cricket matches

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    The sharpest number is the closing line of course

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Odom View Post
    ask yourself

    which is the sharpest #

    1. Opener

    2. Closing

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    LMAO Gold, I predict line movements, both direction and cause, as part of my daily market capping and analysis.

    We don't bet steam, we ARE the steam.

    And sometimes we fool you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Odom View Post
    ask yourself

    which is the sharpest #

    1. Opener

    2. Closing
    Quote Originally Posted by hubie69 View Post

    Sammy sharp as a tack here, as always.
    The problem with steam is you don't always know what prompted said steam. There are times where you do not want to be part of that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Crater View Post
    The sharpest number is the closing line of course
    Define..."sharp" as used in these posts.


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    Every single sports book has software profiling players and if they see youíre beating the closing line you get booted regardless of your win loss figures

    And I forgot more than anybody knows here

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    Justin7

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Every single sports book has software profiling players and if they see youíre beating the closing line you get booted regardless of your win loss figures

    And I forgot more than anybody knows here
    This is pretty much correct. It really isn't about the money, the books often don't let it get to that point.

    But there are ways of dealing with this, the players are ahead of the books right now, at least some of us, because we have an ace in the hole.

    It's not just about outs having outs, it's about how you use them. It's a game we have been playing for two decades, before the books could really solidify that edge they were taking away in the late 90's. I was in the industry then, I remember it well and it basically led to an entire "risk management" division within our budding sports group. We knew we could maintain the edge.

    But in order to do so, that's all I can share publcily to anyone I don't know and trust. Because the only way to get the upperhand back from the books is to form what we did, or join what we did. What we did doesn't work without growth so the only way we maintain the edge is to add member to that "division."

    Make no mistake, this is not a recruiting post.


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    I was in the industry on both sides of the counter because a I was always a player at heart.

    Back then the number one way to deal with some bettors was to close accounts and keep the winnings. Then algos started changing the way the industry dealt with risk because some shops needed to remain legit, and grow big.

    We remained ahead of the algos but it can't be done without as force and without breaking key rules for online sportsbooks. Those rules eventually became vurtually ubiquitous in the industry.

    Geeee, I wonder why.


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    Kvb call me

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    Break even at best chasing steam

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    The correct number is the closing number, how could it not be

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    LMAO Gold, I predict line movements, both direction and cause, as part of my daily market capping and analysis.

    We don't bet steam, we ARE the steam.

    And sometimes we fool you.

    if you did easy to be rich

    Nobody can predict line movement consistently

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    Yes

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    Blindly Betting steam is a foolproof way to become rich
    unfortunately its no longer possible

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    less games, less steam

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    This is pretty much correct. It really isn't about the money, the books often don't let it get to that point.

    But there are ways of dealing with this, the players are ahead of the books right now, at least some of us, because we have an ace in the hole.

    It's not just about outs having outs, it's about how you use them. It's a game we have been playing for two decades, before the books could really solidify that edge they were taking away in the late 90's. I was in the industry then, I remember it well and it basically led to an entire "risk management" division within our budding sports group. We knew we could maintain the edge.

    But in order to do so, that's all I can share publcily to anyone I don't know and trust. Because the only way to get the upperhand back from the books is to form what we did, or join what we did. What we did doesn't work without growth so the only way we maintain the edge is to add member to that "division."

    Make no mistake, this is not a recruiting post.

    is this why they always say to watch the early lines in football and see which they shift - the steam actually makes the line what it should have been?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pologq View Post
    is this why they always say to watch the early lines in football and see which they shift - the steam actually makes the line what it should have been?
    Sometimes, sometimes not. Remember, the early lines usually have lower limits and can be moved easier if the book is choosing to move on the limit bets they get.

    Books don't always try to get 50-50 on each side, they take positions and use moving and not moving the line to do so.

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    Steam moves almost always mean movement towards what ends up being the closing line. If you can get aboard that train at a slow moving book, you'll be profitable, yes. However, almost everyone moving quickly off the hot air coming out of Bookmaker & Pinnacle's rectums.

    No one moves faster than the US land based shops that QUIVER in their shitty ripped Skechers footwear anytime they might take a bet larger than $20.

    Whoever said offshore will be following onshore in a few years is a MORON, unless by a few years you mean 50+ years.

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    Defiantly not what it used to be.

    With gambling becoming more main stream the market has become more saturated with deep pocket dummies it seems, but still theres plenty of sharp sides steaming if you want do dig through the line moves enough

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    Good post

    USA
    Books clowns


    Quote Originally Posted by deeppckts View Post
    Steam moves almost always mean movement towards what ends up being the closing line. If you can get aboard that train at a slow moving book, you'll be profitable, yes. However, almost everyone moving quickly off the hot air coming out of Bookmaker & Pinnacle's rectums.

    No one moves faster than the US land based shops that QUIVER in their shitty ripped Skechers footwear anytime they might take a bet larger than $20.

    Whoever said offshore will be following onshore in a few years is a MORON, unless by a few years you mean 50+ years.

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