[jtoler]

Do you know where a very large amount of the mass shootings in this country take place at? Can we call guys who shoot up their neighborhoods terrorists too ? Guess we can't call them that because they love Jordans.

Those are just part of a different intrigue. Im sure you remember when that was proved here.

[lakerboy]

It was, but for some dumb reason we don't call domestic terrorism for what it is. He didn't come up with the shit definition.

Come on bro you know Trump won't call anything a terrorist attack unless it's done by a Muslim. This was just a crazy mad white guy. You know kind of like that guy in NY the other except he was brown and had a beard. Even if the FBI and every other American Intel , police agency called it a terrorist attack Trump wouldn't dare utter that phrase in fear of alienating his base.

[PAULYPOKER]

A terrorist is a terrorist and yes they come in all different colors and shapes...There are crazy people in every race and religion, there just happens to be the most with the Muslim religion in these current times.. Is what it is....

Call a spade a spade always....

And the domestic terrorists are "one lost it shooter" more than likely suffering from PTSD.....
And the Muslims terrorist are "conspired groups with many names".....

[Mac4Lyfe]

We were at Lakewood church about 6 months ago and a guy stands up about 20 feet from us and started shouting. He was quickly escorted out. A few minutes later another guy stands up shouting too. He got escorted out. A third man does the same thing. I grabbed the wife and kids and got out of there but it was very disturbing as we had no idea what they were going to do and if they were armed. They were protesting O'Steen but you never know when these deranged people might come in with guns. Nowhere is safe anymore.

I believe we all have the right to own guns but we need to pressure the gun manufacturers to reduce the amount they make and how cheap/easily it is to get. Less guns means higher prices, which means less in the general public. We also have to pressure the manufacturers to reduce the firepower of the guns they're peddling on the street. We have too many people with mental illness. Give them a gun and this is what you get. We have got to find a way to get guns out of the hands of the sick.

[Cuse0323]

can't believe you are using that emoji or taking about board vendetta's in this thread.



this Max Massey guy and his vids on the below link and reports have me overwhelmed and at a loss

can't imagine what these families, friends, ect are going through

in a small community like this, there is NO ONE that is not just devastated and changed forever....how do you get over this?

just horrifying

https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin...patrick-kelly/

Eh, half my family was born or raised in, or around San Antonio. Then have to hear bullshit immediately about guns, and all that shit. Add in personal attacks, and it is what it is. Trust me, I don't think this shit is funny.

[Chi_archie]

eh....

[JIBBBY]

A fat younger Keifer Sutherland maybe?

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Why has there never been a mass shooting at a gun range?

[19th Hole]

Crisis Actor (*See list of Texans who are on the active mayhem payroll.)

No signed death certificate.

[bonzaii]

Why has there never been a mass shooting at a gun range?

Gee I wonder why?? It couldn't be because the shooter doesn't want to get shot back at could it? NO couldn't be that.

[teecee]

A couple citizens chased the shooter in their trucks and forced him off the road, hearing the guy was dead before the cops showed up. Self-inflicted, guy offed himself after he ditched.

Another shooter offed himself before anyone else could get their mitts on him? No, Mayan, there is your real snowflake.

[maggiethebestdog]

I can't believe anyone cares what this, or any attack, is labeled. Terrorism, whatever. Who fuucckkin cares. You people are pathetic. Maybe a Christian went off this time in a religious dispute. Ban religion before you ban guns.

[jtoler]

Why has there never been a mass shooting at a gun range?

What are you doing using your brain to think for, it just hasnt happened yet dude, lol. A little thinking and the ruses never make sense.

[teecee]

Come on bro you know Trump won't call anything a terrorist attack unless it's done by a Muslim. This was just a crazy mad white guy. You know kind of like that guy in NY the other except he was brown and had a beard. Even if the FBI and every other American Intel , police agency called it a terrorist attack Trump wouldn't dare utter that phrase in fear of alienating his base.

Mass shooters vote for Trump?

[d2bets]

Still not providing an ID. Come on.

[Chi_archie]

Why has there never been a mass shooting at a gun range?

interesting question

In Pa and Il i've never been to a range where there are more than 4-5 other people there at a time.

so If I wanted to kill a bunch of people in a cowardly way really fast, i'm not sure that is where I'd go.

I do know that quite a few murders, a sad amount of suicides and a few pretty big publicized murder suicides have happened at gun ranges recently.

I think you go to rent a gun without a background check, for a quick way to kill yourself essentially. But If you wanted to kill a bunch of people as sitting ducks....

movie theater, school, church, hospital, college campus, concert, mall, ect get you sickos the results they want.

maybe we put a shooting range next to every theater, church, hospital ect?

I do believe in good guys with guns

[JIBBBY]

I can't believe anyone cares what this, or any attack, is labeled. Terrorism, whatever. Who fuucckkin cares. You people are pathetic. Maybe a Christian went off this time in a religious dispute. Ban religion before you ban guns.

People like me want to slow down the Muslim traffic into the United States of America because there are many more Islamic radicals planning terrorist attacks then these rouge crazy white guys...

I don't remember Home Land Security being in existence before 9/11.. I wonder why that is?

Radical Islam is still the big threat... No more Muslim refugees, one way revolving door now...Make America safe again!!!!

[PAULYPOKER]

I can't believe anyone cares what this, or any attack, is labeled. Terrorism, whatever. Who fuucckkin cares. You people are pathetic. Maybe a Christian went off this time in a religious dispute. Ban religion before you ban guns.

That would be worse as the majority in .whatever the religion, are peaceful, faithful god fearing people
who live by faith........

Take religion away from them and they have nothing to live for..........

Those who have nothing to live for are a ticking time bomb to their selves or others.........

[jtoler]

interesting question

In Pa and Il i've never been to a range where there are more than 4-5 other people there at a time.

so If I wanted to kill a bunch of people in a cowardly way really fast, i'm not sure that is where I'd go.

I do know that quite a few murders, a sad amount of suicides and a few pretty big publicized murder suicides have happened at gun ranges recently.

I think you go to rent a gun without a background check, for a quick way to kill yourself essentially. But If you wanted to kill a bunch of people as sitting ducks....

movie theater, school, church, hospital, college campus, concert, mall, ect get you sickos the results they want.

maybe we put a shooting range next to every theater, church, hospital ect?

I do believe in good guys with guns

Even as a kid sitting in football stadiums I used to wonder why this never happened, thousands of people, no metal detector to walk through, I used to think anybody could just start shooting and killing people, but that stuff just never happened and its because people just dont have that on their mind to do. But when it does "happen" and not to mention in bunches nobody scratches their heads. Thats the amazing part to me, nobody ever thinks whats behind door number 3.

[Roadtrip635]

Just reported on the local news. Holy Cow, one of the guys that chased the shooter in his truck actually ran to the church and tackled the guy when he came out of the church and took away one of his guns. The shooter got away and drove off with the citizen on his tail before he and another citizen forced him off the road.

[maggiethebestdog]

That would be worse as the majority in .whatever the religion, are peaceful, faithful god fearing people
who live by faith........

Take religion away from them and they have nothing to live for..........

Those who have nothing to live for are a ticking time bomb to their selves or others.........

Not a big student of history I see. No other single issue has been responsible for even close to the same amount of deaths, violence, discrimination and division. You are a moron.

[Chi_archie]

People like me want to slow down the Muslim traffic into the United States of America because there are many more Islamic radicals planning terrorist attacks then these rouge crazy white guys...

I don't remember Home Land Security being in existence before 9/11.. I wonder why that is?

Radical Islam is still the big threat... No more Muslim refugees, one way revolving door now...Make America safe again!!!!

is there room to say that as a great nation we can address both protecting borders from terrorism and protecting those within the borders from terrorism?

Does America have the resources to continue to be amazing at locking down the borders using the 187 entities that make up homeland security AND better address keeping residents safe from citizens or those already in the US that desire to go on rampages?

I hope for my children's safety that we can do both

I don't think we should ever shrug our shoulders at any threat, and say we only are concerned with the perceived biggest threat.

this year, the biggest threat has not come from outside.

our many agencies are doing a great job at homeland security, we need to look at weak links in citizen safety though

[Cuse0323]

Just reported on the local news. Holy Cow, one of the guys that chased the shooter in his truck actually ran to the church and tackled the guy when he came out of the church and took away one of his guns. The shooter got away and drove off with the citizen on his tail before he and another citizen forced him off the road.

Do we know if he killed himself, or the cops did it?

[Chi_archie]

Do we know if he killed himself, or the cops did it?

sounds like some vigilante survivors from the church, or just nearby at time followed him in vehicle as he drove off to escape and the perp was forced off road into a ditch. and killed himself.

heros

and if they had or did pull a gun, or choked him to death with their bare hands or whatever. I hope the public never hears a peep about it.

true heros

[Roadtrip635]

Do we know if he killed himself, or the cops did it?

From what I've been hearing he was dead before the cops arrived. The guys that chased him called the cops, when he ditched it. No official word, but sounds like he killed himself, but may be a possibility one of the guys giving chase may have whacked him (pure speculation by me)

[JIBBBY]

is there room to say that as a great nation we can address both protecting borders from terrorism and protecting those within the borders from terrorism?

Does America have the resources to continue to be amazing at locking down the borders using the 187 entities that make up homeland security AND better address keeping residents safe from citizens or those already in the US that desire to go on rampages?

I hope for my children's safety that we can do both

I don't think we should ever shrug our shoulders at any threat, and say we only are concerned with the perceived biggest threat.

this year, the biggest threat has not come from outside.

our many agencies are doing a great job at homeland security, we need to look at weak links in citizen safety though

How do you monitor, catch wind of or weed out a guy like this or the Vegas shooter?.

Vegas shooter had a clean record, he just bought alot of guns that's it.. You just always have a few crazies ready to snap as the population grows..

You just gotta hope you and your family aren't in the wrong place at the wrong time.. Like Sunday morning mass.. Geeezzz. This was bad ...

[Chi_archie]

From what I've been hearing he was dead before the cops arrived. The guys that chased him called the cops, when he ditched it. No official word, but sounds like he killed himself, but may be a possibility one of the guys giving chase may have whacked him (pure speculation by me)

Yeah I was thinking same thing

and if that were true, that person would be a hero and I hope to God that they police would be able to cover that story up and we'd never know the wiser to protect the hero, his family, and the whole freaking town from further scrutiny and terror

[Cuse0323]

Definitely seems like someone, or a couple people stepped up and chased the bitch. Got him to drop his gun and flee, then crash. Hope they shot him. He was tough until confronted, then shat himself. Unreal how small of a town it was and the percentage of people effected.

[Chi_archie]

How do you monitor, catch wind of or weed out a guy like this or the Vegas shooter?.

Vegas shooter had a clean record, he just bought alot of guns that's it.. You just always have a few crazies ready to snap as the population grows..

You just gotta hope you and your family aren't in the wrong place at the wrong time.. Like Sunday morning mass.. Geeezzz. This was bad ...

My family will not just hope

we are and will be vigilant and proactive and protect all our peoples with extreme vigilance by any means necessary against a few crazies or whomever might do harm.

I hope my government and country I served will not leave any stone unturned in doing so as well

I hope you are safe out there

[RoyBacon]

I’m afraid everyone needs to carry like in Israel.

[The Kraken]

You guys don’t want to label guns as the problem but have no problem labeling drugs as the problem

Just think about this stat

In 100% of shooting deaths in America, including mass shooters such as the one today and Vegas, a gun was used

But keep being convinced by Fox News that guns are fine because guns don’t pull their own triggers, because if you let the gov’t take your at-15 then they’ll take every gun, and then some boogie man will come rape, rob and pillage you in the middle of the night and he’ll be holding an ar15

You refuse to see the truth because you’re afraid

Im going to quit saying guns are the problem because guns is vague, I will be more specific.

AR15’s are the problem. I own 7 of them and I know Donk uses them responsibly but they are absolutely the problem. But let’s dump billions into the war on drugs and mental health because that’s what the nra says is the problem.

Go GOP

[Auto Donk]

can't believe you are using that emoji or taking about board vendetta's in this thread.



this Max Massey guy and his vids on the below link and reports have me overwhelmed and at a loss

can't imagine what these families, friends, ect are going through

in a small community like this, there is NO ONE that is not just devastated and changed forever....how do you get over this?

just horrifying

https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin...patrick-kelly/

what the hell does robert duvall have to do with this?

[mrpapageorgio]

You like facts?

'In virtually every mass school shooting during the past 15 years, the shooter has been on or in withdrawal from psychiatric drugs'.

Americans have had the right to bear arms from the get go. But the rates of dispensing psychotropic drugs to every third kid or so? Well, that started about 20-25 years ago - and not long after that did the concept of ''school shooter" come into vogue. And so did an opioid epidemic which has a body count that dwarfs mass shootings.

But you think the answer is to punish already law abiding citizens? Really?

This
At one point, fully automatic guns were available for purchase in a hardware store like buying a bottle of milk at one point and we never had this problem (Al Capone caused their ban, but it wasn't from constantly shooting up a church or school). You could walk into a store like Sears and buy a rifle without a background check until the Gun Control Act in the 60's, and there wasn't this prevalence of mass shootings (Kennedy and MLK is what caused that act to go through). So it's kind of hard to say guns are the cause when we've had access to these guns for almost a century without mass shootings being this prevalent until recently.


Theoretically, by using this logic, I could say that by having more and stricter gun control laws we are now having more mass shootings so let's go back to the pre-Gun Control Act days since this wasn't as much of a problem.



But instead, lets look at when this started becoming prevalent. It wasn't until Columbine when you started seeing these mass shootings at the frequency and deadliness that hasn't been seen before then. So since we've had access to these guns before Columbine (including easier access), but not having the problem we're having now, what's different? First, these psychiatric drugs haven't been as widely used or available as they are now and they're f***ing with people's minds to the point these loonies can't tell fantasy from reality.


You also have this recent (relative to our country's history) invention called the internet which has given us unprecedented access to information. However, it allows for good and bad information to spread. Including to those mentally unstable who can read and obtain information that either solidifies their crazy ideas or thoughts or helps them carry out those thoughts.


Also, what else is different? When did you see a form of entertainment such as a video game where you could do something like this in the 70's?





You didn't, but you can't tell me these games aren't causing soft minds to be desensitized to this kind of crap. Yes, there are people playing these games that can separate fantasy from reality, but you can't tell me there aren't people that are getting mushed from playing these games and getting crazy to the point where one tipping point could cause them to snap and live out these video game fantasies.

All I'm saying is maybe, just maybe, we should start focusing our attention on why people are doing this crazy shit rather than instantly blaming an inanimate object that people have had access (including deadlier weapons) to for years, but hasn't been a major issue except for the last 25 years.

[Auto Donk]

You guys don’t want to label guns as the problem but have no problem labeling drugs as the problem

Just think about this stat

In 100% of shooting deaths in America, including mass shooters such as the one today and Vegas, a gun was used

But keep being convinced by Fox News that guns are fine because guns don’t pull their own triggers, because if you let the gov’t take your at-15 then they’ll take every gun, and then some boogie man will come rape, rob and pillage you in the middle of the night and he’ll be holding an ar15

You refuse to see the truth because you’re afraid

Im going to quit saying guns are the problem because guns is vague, I will be more specific.

AR15’s are the problem. I own 7 of them and I know Donk uses them responsibly but they are absolutely the problem. But let’s dump billions into the war on drugs and mental health because that’s what the nra says is the problem.

Go GOP

drugs.... bad

guns.... good

drugs.... (some) good

guns.... (some) bad

[Plaza23]

Another ANTIFA nutcase. Guns themselves aren't bad. Guns in the hands of deranged leftists, Muslims, and young black males are very bad.