I say yes. He's got a ring and two no-hitters. He's on double-digits for 11 straight seasons. I say if he wins 200 in his career he should warrant serious consideration.
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07-23-09 09:52 PM #1
Is Buerhle a HOF candidate?
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07-23-09 09:53 PM #2
I don't think he would be in the hall. See how his career finishes up.
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07-23-09 09:54 PM #3
Yes. He has a WS ring and two no hitters. Obama also likes him. Done deal if Obama is president when he retires.
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07-23-09 09:54 PM #4
knew this was coming. Bob that is not enough to put someone in the hall. he won the ring but that is his only playoff success. he is good but hall might be stretching it. i say they make a sub hall for second tier players too many guys getting attention for hall.
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07-23-09 09:56 PM #5
Absolutely not, nowhere near close.
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07-23-09 10:00 PM #6
I feel as if the HOF for all sports isn't as big of a deal as it used to be. I feel too many players are getting in, so it's not as of a prestigue thing
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07-23-09 10:07 PM #7
Not even close
he needs to win at least 280 games
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07-23-09 10:35 PM #8
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07-23-09 10:47 PM #9
Candidate, sure, but still a helluva lot of work to do.
No hitters shouldn't be much of a factor. Just needs to win a lot of games.
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07-24-09 02:53 AM #10
If he retired today, no shot. If he continues pitching this way for the next 10 years (until he is 40) then yes. So the proper answer is, time will tell, and he is going to need to win at least 250.
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07-24-09 03:03 AM #11
Agree with ukbro. He's only 30 and has 133 wins already. The new standard will be 250. With 10 more good years, Buerhle will have 280-300 already, and he's a junk pitcher like Moyer so he has a few years left after 40. The dude could pitch until he's 45, at least, and he has said that's exactly what he WANTS to do.
316 career wins, lock for the hall.
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07-24-09 12:08 PM #12
Agree with your assessment. Could be a HOFer, but certainly not in there yet.
Originally Posted by ukbro00
Buehrle's one ring is one more than any of the players below has won. I've asked you this before but never got an answer. Does a player have to win multiple rings to be HOF worthy? Do we toss out all of the names on the following list? Originally Posted by lakerboy
HOFs never to win a World Series
Luke Appling
Richie Ashburn
Earl Averill
Ernie Banks
Jim Bunning
Rod Carew
Ty Cobb
Sam Crawford
Bobby Doerr
Rick Ferrell
Elmer Flick
Nellie Fox
Tony Gwynn
Gabby Hartnett
Harry Heilman
Billy Herman
Ferguson Jenkins
Addie Joss
George Kell
Harmon Killebrew
Ralph Kiner
Chuck Klein
Nap Lajoie
Freddie Lindstrom
Ted Lyons
Heinie Manush
Juan Marichal
Rube Marquard
Phil Niekro
Gaylord Perry
Eppa Rixey
Robin Roberts
Ryne Sandberg
George Sisler
Don Sutton
Arky Vaughan
Rube Waddell
Bobby Wallace
Paul Waner
Lloyd Waner
Zack Wheat
Billy Williams
Ted Williams
Hack Wilson
Early Wynn
Carl Yastrzemski
Robin Yount
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07-24-09 12:10 PM #13
no,lotsa pitchers with better credentials not in yet
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07-24-09 12:17 PM #14
Not even close. There is zero discussion here.
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07-24-09 01:48 PM #15
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07-24-09 03:52 PM #16
Give me a break after that no hitter Bob Harvey is posting if hes a hall of famer or not. Hes a good ace starting pitcher but not a hall of famer and if he wins a couple CY Young maybe.
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07-24-09 04:09 PM #17
Agree... Prisoner of the moment Originally Posted by t-bone
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07-24-09 04:44 PM #18
If the hall is getting too small, let's go with an open field. Open field of fame (OFOF) won't be a bad idea!
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07-24-09 05:43 PM #19
I think it depends on how his career finishes.
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07-24-09 05:51 PM #20
No. Two days ago, who would make such a silly argument. Congrats on the perfect game and second no-hitter, but he'll have to buy a ticket like the rest of us to see the HOF.
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07-24-09 06:03 PM #21
Good stuff! Originally Posted by Willie Bee
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07-24-09 08:17 PM #22
Gred Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, Mark Buehrle
Which one of these doesn't belong?
Buehrle has had a very good MLB career, but unless he pitches 10 more years and averages @ 15 wins a year, he's got no chance at getting into the HOF without buying a ticket.
Doc
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07-24-09 09:04 PM #23
Since there is no salary cap in baseball HOF inductees from teams with above average payrolls have an unfair advantage. If Greinke was playing for the Yankees he would have 25 wins every year and he would have been a HOF in 10 years. But since he is playing for the Royals he would never be a HOF because it would take him 30 years to get 250 wins. Does this mean he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF and someone like Pettite or Mussina who if they played for the Royals would have had horrible career numbers may actually be considered one day for HOF? Unless there is a salary cap we will never know if a pitcher gets the wins every year because of the people surrounding him or because of the people they don't have on board.
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07-24-09 09:33 PM #24
I'm a Sox fan, and I say no, because he probably won't even hit 200 wins. The reason being is that he'll likely retire after his contract is up in 2011, unless he gets to pitch for his hometown Cards. He's about the most normal, unassuming guy you'll ever meet, and would gladly take the opportunity to do nothing but spend time with his wife and kid. The ONLY way I see him getting in is getting a second ring, and even then only if he hits 200.
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07-25-09 08:59 AM #25
Pavy, Originally Posted by pavyracer
I don't have a beef with your basic argument, but I would point out that very few players play their entire careers with one team. So, there is nothing to say Greinke can't go to a large payroll team when he becomes a FA if that's what he wants to do and enhance his chances of putting up the kind of numbers that would make him Hall-worthy.
Also there are position players like Gwynn and Ripken that did play their entire careers for teams that, on the whole, were not good teams, who did make the HOF.
Now, I know that pitchers are different from position players in that they're dependent on their teammates to score runs in order for them to be the winning pitcher because you can pitch your @ss off and lose 1-0.
And there are pitchers who pitched most of their careers for bad teams who made the HOF. Phil Neikro pitched most of his career for the Braves who were historically bad for most of Phil's career. Now, he did go the the American League to finish his career. Gaylord Perry is another pitcher who didn't pitch on great teams for most of his career.
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07-25-09 09:20 AM #26
Dark Horse,
I was just trying to point out that having 250 wins with a team of $400 million payroll and an ERA of 4.78 maybe as good as having 175 wins with a team of $50 million payroll and 3.87 ERA. Salary cap doesn't come into play when a pitcher is considered for the HOF. Only wins count which is wrong in my opinion. They should take the salary cap of the team a pitcher played, divide it per number of wins and whoever has the smaller ratio of wins per dollar spent should be considered.
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07-25-09 09:27 AM #27
no a player doesnt have to win any rings to be a hall of famer. all im saying is just casue buerhle wona ring he isnt hall material. many players play on bad teams but have great careers and deserve hall status. nice list though Originally Posted by Willie Bee
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07-25-09 09:45 AM #28
Pavy, Originally Posted by pavyracer
Did you mean me (Doc) or Dark Horse??? LOL
Wins do count. I would argue that they aren't the sole determining factor in whether or not you get into the Hall. Cy Young Awards, All Star appearances, Gold Gloves, post season performance, ERA vs league avg. ERA for the time you played - all go into the equation of whether or not a pitcher is HOF material. Now, I agree that without the wins, the other stuff probably doesn't matter so much.
Doc
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07-25-09 11:53 AM #29
really hard to say, at this moment i would say no, but you never know leftys can stay in the majors into their late 30's and even early 40s so that definatly plays in his favor.
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07-25-09 12:05 PM #30
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07-25-09 06:56 PM #31
He's on the right track. Way too early in his career to know this answer though.
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