[Yabatumba]

Hi!

I Placed these two specific bet on the 2008.10.28

(1PLD6TWUHS) http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7417/bwinag3.png


(1PLD6XX9YR) http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3509/bwin2lz3.png


(FIFA U-17 Womens World Cup, one of FIFA official game that is)


In any case, Bwin declared the highest of the two stake as lost and the lowest as won, bear in mind that i was following this specific game live at FIFA.com.I sent them an e-mail shortly afterward and and told them to correct the wining bet immediately, they sent me this afterward: http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/9426/bsmd4.png

They didn't reopened my account on the (2008.11.29) like they promised to though so i sent them another e-mail In Sweden on the 2008.12.09, then they reopened it.

I asked them to reevaluated the winning bet yet again then they sent me this pathetic e-mail: http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4685/bwinnyp4.png "They have evaluated the bet correctly and If i know any other source that could prove the opposite then they would be more than happy to try my request again"


So i did the only thing i could by sending them this following link on the 2008.12.11:
http://www.fifa.com/u17womensworldcu...laybyplay.html

Bwin customer service team who are supposed to be "available via e-mail every day from 08:00 until 24:00 (GMT+1)" went suddenly quite so i sent them another e-mail on the 2008.12.16 and asked in Swedish "how do you want it?" and then they replied at the same day with: http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3800/bwinnnkr3.png " We apologize for the late reply. After talk with the responsible bookie regarding your bet complain the bet have now been corrected and the winning bet will be credited to your game account soon."

I logged into my Bwin account on the 2008.12.18 and requested an out payment A.S.A.P , they verified the out payment on the 2008.12.19: then again they have apparently stalled the requested out-payment for whatever sick reason, because i haven't received any payment or what so ever.

I want those m*therf*****s blacklisted for an eternity!

[rookie]

We know bwin sucks but you shouldn't be using abusive language in email. Remove the screen shots unless you want everyone to know your name / account info.

(Btw, can we see the copy of the your email ? )

[Yabatumba]

Is my abusive language being the reason for their criminal behavior?

[Champi]

I m very satisfied for now from BWin they are correct with me-complete answers on my question and very nice odds on different markets.
yabatumba you need patience -yeah they are very slow in everything .

[MilfDriller]

I've heard Bwin limits you if you win. Just some ridiculous shit.

If you want to deal with homo...sapiens, then deal with them.


I think bet365 or whatever it's called gives it to you up the ass as well. Don't play with homo...sapien books.

[Yabatumba]

This crooked world is amazing, (hence, from creating this tread yesterday until today those motherfeakers have apparently decided that was in their best interest to credit the requested pay-out to my bank account accordingly. If there is any lesson to be learn, Is to stay far, far, far away from those crooked motherfeakers because bwin as a company is not worth all the headache you'll get if you open an account there, let alone the pathetic pennies you'll win every now and then.


I got this following message: from a guy who call himself John Smith, probably the crooked Bwin employee ( in reality his real name is John the Motherfeaker!) John the Motherfeakers, I know you are here somewhere peeking, reading and taking note.You motherfeaker, you made a wise choice by crediting the pay-out to my bank account accordingly or else would've rock and ruined your sorry ass like you would've never imagine..

[DIF]

Be careful make bets like that.

Better play moneylines/ spread/totals. Then you got no problem with your account.

[Yabatumba]

Vad sjutton menar du med be careful?

[MilfDriller]

Do your homework before putting your money in an Aids-infested book.

Would you put your dong in an Aids-infested whore? Nope.

So don't do the same thing with a book online.

[Yabatumba]

Good point!

But then again those motherfeakers are known world wide as the number one bookie in the world so that kind of mislead me a little bit.

[MilfDriller]

everybody broadcasts they're the best.... if you dig a little bit, you'll see all kinds of complaints of people being collared or shut down because they win $800 or something stupid like that.

go with the greek. you won't regret it.

[Yabatumba]

KK, I'll check them out.

[bwinLuser]

and, did u get your money ?

[BWINcomFraud]

There is explanation why Yatumba uses this kind of language:
After stealing money (I believe they steal only winning bets, I don't know if they can steal deposit) they don't reply to requests, these making a customer feel like shit and get angry. Then customer writes to them you motherfck etc., then Bwin says account was closed for security reasom. It's orchestrated criminal, planned psychological pressure and attack on customer to make him/her crazy.
Then they will use it against him/her to make him/her feel shy and sorry, poor Bwin fraudsters.
But the fact is: Whatever you write to Bwin fraudsters, stealing of money is not allowed. In the end what counts is only statement with transaction history, this is only proof. No judge will listen to Bwin's complains about language used about them, nobody likes scammers and they are beaten in former times to death. For any judge only what matters is facts, not Bwin's ****s.

[PAPSMEAR]

I know squat about BWIN (never played with them never will) but the reviews of late from posters have the alarm bells ringing...remember if you lie down with dogs you get fleas

[BWINcomFraud]

Russian saying, can't translate exactly to English: The water flow makes the stone with less angles, more round. Something like this.
I will bring them down, this is my mission.

[andrea]

KK, I'll check them out.

Hi any updates with your complaint??

[Toit]

Alarmed by all these bwin complaints I asked for a first withdrawal this week.
After uploading a copy of my passport (verified within an hour) the money was in my moneybookers account the next day.

I'm not saying some people are not having genuine problems with them, but it's not like they're stiffing every customer that have an account with them.

[Karla]

Russian saying, can't translate exactly to English: The water flow makes the stone with less angles, more round. Something like this.
I will bring them down, this is my mission.

haha! you will need a lot of power to bring them down..

I hope that this issue will be resolved as it has been ages already.

[Justin7]

If you have a problem, fill out a complaint. I've addressed 100's of issues with Bwin, and they have always done things fairly.

[Toit]

haha! you will need a lot of power to bring them down..

I hope that this issue will be resolved as it has been ages already.

If I read post #6 correctly he was paid in december 2008.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...ml#post1349812

[BWINcomFraud]

Why Mr. Florentino Perez, owner of Real Madrid, says that he doesn't trust Bwin's financial accounts and says they are money losers and have not enough to pay for it. Bwin needs the money now like crazy and it pushes them on the edge of law. In fact they are more than on the edge, they really steal!
http://www.spanishgamingnews.com/ind...=271&Itemid=25

Toit, how much they paid you? If it's less than 736EUR, so it's from the money they stole from me.
You know what it is? It's a primitive pyramide scam in Gibraltar, no tough regulation and they use it.

[AimingHigh]

I have a weird feeling that a lot of these BWin complaints are people trying to scam them, but I can't figure out why and I'm happy to be proven wrong. The complainants are mostly new users (pot-kettle, I know but...) and seem to be from the same Euro countries, though it's harder to tell when English is a second language. I suppose it could also be that the same user has bumped several complaints, which makes it look like disputes are more prevalent than they really are. BWin offer decent odds but no crazy odds or bonuses (that I've ever been offered, anyway), so in what way could people be taking shots at BWin?

Has any user here with a lot of posts been scammed by BWin?

[BWINcomFraud]

I am from Israel and was scammed by Bwin for 736eur.
Would I write anything about anybody if it were not true? Or maybe you are from conspiracy side and believe that some of their competitors pays me and other defrauded clients a monthly salary.
Read how Bwin stole my winning bets, if you see me telling not true, please reply here in this forum.

http://www.mkapital.com/fraudBwin/

I wish you success with them, Madoff (60 billion $ pyramid scam) and Allen Stanford (8 billion $ pyramid scam) also paid leaving customers with money from new customers before pyramid became too big. 736EUR is not small money, it can pay for 73 players winning 10EUR and make this players feel comfortable. I know that Bwin will go bust and this great forum and website will not be able to handle internet traffic from all those who will remain on the sinken ship and complain when it will be too late.

[AimingHigh]

I looked at your website. All very nice.

Assuming that you registered your account with them with all of your correct personal identifying information, that it was your only account with them, and that it is your credit card you show on your website.... do you have proof (1) that the credit card you show on your website is the card you registered with them (eg. screen shots of your registered payment infomation with BWin), (2) that you were authorised to use it at the time of the deposits (eg. not cancelled, expired, etc.), and (3) that it was the card from which you deposited funds to them (eg. screen shots of the successful deposit page from BWin after you made the deposit)?

In the absence of such proof, I would heed the warning from their lawyer regarding impending legal proceedings against you for defamation (or the civil law equivalent thereof), which you also show on your website.

[BWINcomFraud]

If the cards were not mine:
This transaction would not be available as I had to provide living addresse that have to match addresse where bank statements arrive.
It would be rejected from the beginning. The stolen cards (can I steal my own card from me as Bwin bullshits me, they have no other ground not to pay me) would not be accepted on any internet transaction, how thieves can know my personal details.
Bwin blacklisted me as for the first time they came upon a customer, who not only shouts his mouth but on a daily basis informs various agencies from Austria, Gibraltar, ****, ********** about how they defrauded me.
The screenshots I don't have, I never before had dealt with fraud and was not prepared for this.
How come I opened account in my name, with my cards and requested withdrawal to my cards, both **** and MasterCards and wire to my bank account that is also in my name.
Now assume I am liar:
I stole cards from the cards owner, won 736EUR, and request withdrawal to the cards owner and his bank account?
Are you nuts?
When cards are stolen, nobody places +30 sport bets during a week or opens account in his name, scammers make some internet high value purchase or just spend the money in other shops or boutiques. This way they don't need to play 1 week at Bwin for 736EUR ( what if they would lose as most players do? What gain then is for them?), my cards have a high credit limit and from 2 cards they could spend 16,000EUR minimum.
My cards are called motiv karten and can be found here:
https://www.commerzbanking.de/P-Port...tivkarten1.htm

I see or you are happy that they stole my money, or you are stupid, or both. Or you are loser and you are angry that other players are successful, only in the wrong place like Bwin Fraud&Scam Co.

[AimingHigh]

If the cards were not mine:
This transaction would not be available as I had to provide living addresse that have to match addresse where bank statements arrive.
It would be rejected from the beginning. The stolen cards (can I steal my own card from me as Bwin bullshits me, they have no other ground not to pay me) would not be accepted on any internet transaction, how thieves can know my personal details.
Bwin blacklisted me as for the first time they came upon a customer, who not only shouts his mouth but on a daily basis informs various agencies from Austria, Gibraltar, ****, ********** about how they defrauded me.
The screenshots I don't have, I never before had dealt with fraud and was not prepared for this.
How come I opened account in my name, with my cards and requested withdrawal to my cards, both **** and MasterCards and wire to my bank account that is also in my name.
Now assume I am liar:
I stole cards from the cards owner, won 736EUR, and request withdrawal to the cards owner and his bank account?
Are you nuts?
When cards are stolen, nobody places +30 sport bets during a week or opens account in his name, scammers make some internet high value purchase or just spend the money in other shops or boutiques. This way they don't need to play 1 week at Bwin for 736EUR ( what if they would lose as most players do? What gain then is for them?), my cards have a high credit limit and from 2 cards they could spend 16,000EUR minimum.
My cards are called motiv karten and can be found here:
https://www.commerzbanking.de/P-Port...tivkarten1.htm

I see or you are happy that they stole my money, or you are stupid, or both. Or you are loser and you are angry that other players are successful, only in the wrong place like Bwin Fraud&Scam Co.

There's really no need to insult me personally. Without the proof, even if it did happen as you say, you can't defame them. Truth is an absolute defence to defamation (in common law at least, don't know about civil law), but you have to prove you're telling the truth. The claimant (BWin, alleging defamation) does not have to prove you're lying. That's why I was suggesting you heed the warning unless you have proof. I was trying to be helpful, so apologies if I sounded overly blunt.

The way to avoid this in the future, if you prefer to use a credit card to gamble, is to open an account with Moneybookers or Neteller, fund that account with your credit card, and deposit to the sportsbook from the Moneybookers / Neteller account. That way you will have instant proof of your valid deposit.

It's also good not to deposit via credit card as many sportsbooks have a hold on credit card deposits / withdrawals (I think just withdrawals, but I've never used a CC for betting, so don't know) and won't allow a withdrawal until sufficient time after the deposit has passed to enable them to safeguard against an unauthorised transaction claim / **********. It would be unusual, I think, to be able to open an account, deposit €3,000 and then withdraw within a week back to a credit card.

If SBR are helping you, perhaps they will mediate on your behalf, though your attack on BWin may have pushed this beyond mediation. If they / you can mediate, could BWin not now charge your credit card for your deposit, and then pay your winnings?

[Toit]

http://www.mkapital.com/

Well, if this is him, he's got enough money to buy bwin.

[BWINcomFraud]

There was not a single cc transaction in the statement regarding Bwin, no debit, no credit. I wrote in my blog how it works, the deposits are not accepted and are returned back as rejected to cc companies.
But Bwin still shows this deposits as accepted on their phishing Bwin platform. It's all looks real, deposits, withdrawals, bets and everything matches 100%. But when you request it back, the account is closed for security reason. The winning account.
Now I ask you and everybody:
I deposit to Bwin 1000$, in the next few days I lose it. Will Bwin charge the credit card, or the account will be closed for security reason as well and 1000$ returned?
No, let's make it faster, I deposit 1000$, Bwin shows it on their screen and accepts deposit, in 5 minutes I lose it.
Will Bwin close the account for security reason, or charge the card?
You are young and naive, sorry, you don't understand that fraud and scam is something widespread, it's not rare.
The current financial stock market crash, pushes even very big corporations to bankruptcy and to remain in business you must be tough, be profitable or be a scammer. Why you think Bwin can't be a scam? Why looking for Ladbrokes fraud I couldn't find even 1 complain.
Betting is a very compatitive business, similar to roulette, there will be many bankruptcies and Bwin is one of them.
Search on Google for bankrupt casinos, there are already tens of them.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...asinos&spell=1

This are very bad times and gambling is very sensitive, I don't have to proof Bwin is scam, let them prove I am not me and my cards are not mine. Bwin is fraud 100%.
But it seems you are satisfied with them, Madoff also had all his clients satisfied, if before his fraud come out, you would call him thiev, there would be thousands of his clients who would take out you eyeballs out. Look where he is now and what same clients say about him. Bwin will go bust not because I wish it to them, because the economy will break them.
If big banks go bust, who is Bwin? Or you are in love with it?

[BWINcomFraud]

No it's not me, this is my ghost.
I would not buy Bwin even for 1$ as their value is negative. Read what Mr. Florentino Perez, Real Madrid owner says of them.
I believe him 100%.
http://www.spanishgamingnews.com/ind...=271&Itemid=25

[Toit]

No it's not me, this is my ghost.

So you've sent bwin false identity papers?

[BWINcomFraud]

Toit, you are smart boy, you know, guys like you when I go to the bank in Frankfurt or Zug, run around me with their cheap 50EUR suits and Swatch watches when I wear Paul&Shark polo, We Are Replay jeans and Sergio Rossi shoes or rather Sancho cowboy boots, and offer me all kind of services including ************. I have 15 ************ but use only up to 3.
I think you should show your post to Bwin, they hate me so much that a good bonus is guaranteed to you. If you have some resume and can work for them (are you unemployed?, where you live? Amsterdam?Charlotte?Royalton?) they will happily take you.
I wrote them such e-mail that even dog would bark and bite after how I uncovered their scam and fraud.
Go, lick them.

[Toit]

Toit, you are smart boy, you know, guys like you when I go to the bank in Frankfurt or Zug, run around me with their cheap 50EUR suits and Swatch watches when I wear Paul&Shark polo, We Are Replay jeans and Sergio Rossi shoes or rather Sancho cowboy boots, and offer me all kind of services including ************. I have 15 ************ but use only up to 3.
I think you should show your post to Bwin, they hate me so much that a good bonus is guaranteed to you. If you have some resume and can work for them (are you unemployed?, where you live? Amsterdam?Charlotte?Royalton?) they will happily take you.
I wrote them such e-mail that even dog would bark and bite after how I uncovered their scam and fraud.
Go, lick them.

What the hell are you on about?

http://www.mkapital.com/

On all the worlds major exchanges there are only two simple things that are given for you to choose from, you can either buy or sell a security, everything else doesn't exist.
Minimum account size to get my trading plan is $121,393 if you are private client. Not all nationalities or individuals are accepted as private clients.
Welcome to my buy/sell world.

Year 2008 trading revenue $300,000,000

Why don't you just get yourself a decent lawyer instead of spamming this board with psychotic bwin complaints?

I'm not too sure about bwin myself, but you're certainly not doing any good for people with genuine complaints that Justin might be able to help.

[Dougoudou]

I agree with Toit here. I would be the last person to defend Bwin right now, but 'bwincomfraud' your posts don't seem to help. If you have serious evidence for anything, share it. But your posts get out as less than serious, perhaps it is only a matter of the language used, I don't know.

If the owners have bad backgrounds, yes, this is of course a clue. The thing about R.Madrid and AC Milan, you approach it from a way different angle than you should have. The problem with advertising on such expensive-to-advertise-on shirts (the one of Madrid must be the most expensive out there, since Barcelona won't carry ads on their shirts) is primarily a problem of 'how can I trust that these guys over at Bwin aren't mismanaging their revenue, causing them to be in financial trouble if they take actions than no bookie in the past has taken?', not a problem of 'hey Mr. Perez, don't accept their money'. I mean Willhill on their hayday or Ladbrokes etc have never tried this, yet Bwin tries this and there is not one person on Earth to suggest that Bwin, on any point of their history, has ever been more reputable than any of these 2 books, bigger, they might.

Besides that, I am not one to cheerlead with guys that always side with the book, whether they are shills or not, but I can assure you most of those guys aren't actually shills. They have just seen it all, they have seen players take shots too, etc. So, it would really help if you let Justin or Bill or whomever, get to the bottom of your complaint and tell us what they discovered, plus you could state more clearly what happened to you.

In my situation for example, we are talking about a case where I am actually being accused of chip-dumping 400 euro when I had around 5.5k euro in my account. I will let you know the whole story if this ever ends, but trust me on what I am saying, this is a genuine situation where you start to worry if you have money in a Bwin account.

[BWINcomFraud]

I don't know what is chips dumping, but I know that complaints that are coming from a customer who lost (I don't name anybody) must be read with 50% yes and 50% maybe. Nobody likes to lose and it's normal for players to complain when they lose.
But in my case I have won and was playing for a week. If there would be any problem with the cards, the transaction would not go through. But Bwin uses a smart scam, the money are shown on their website but this funds are not charged from the cards.
I believe statistics are on their side, as most people would lose placing a 1000EUR bet to win 50-150EUR. The statistics works in their favour 1:20, 1:6 depending on a bet in my case.
Why they didn't charge the cards? How can they place money in the players account if they don't charge the ************?
On the stock exchange the trading pit is neutral, it clears traders trades and makes sure everybody have enough money to pay the other side. Exchanges are regulated by many government commissions. Bwin is their own stock exchange, unregulated, without strict oversight at all. If you buy stocks with bank or broker, pay for 1000 shares, 10$ per share. 10,000$. Then stock goes up 20$, you sell it for 20,000$.
Bank says: Your account was closed and they don't owe you anything. You check your statement and your stock purchase is not shows there, it only showed on their website. How you would call such bank/broker? Fraudulent bank.
I am 1000% confident, that if I would lose with Bwin 10EUR, they would charge it.
One other thing, any internet purchase I made (the last from Diesel website a week ago, 48EUR, the transaction showed after 2 days on my AMEX card internet login since date I bought it on the internet) is immediately followed by e-mail, that says: We received your order. Next e-mail comes at the same or next day, we shipped your goods. Same is with all normal internet transactions. That's why ************ have 3 secret numbers on the back, and AMEX 4 numbers on the front. Now why Bwin is fraud again:
When you use credit card on the internet even to buy goods or services to anybody you like, not even in your name, not your addresse to ship, this transactions will be processed the same.
But Bwin, requires (same Ladbrokes, I don't know about others) to open account to be activated and fund it only from the same account name with ************ in his/her name and addresse must me matched as on ************ statement.
Why they can't send e-mail saying: Your funds were received and placed in your account.
Instead they only place this money (not real money, here is the scam) in the website, but at the same time the card is not charged at all.
Then other proof Bwin is fraud:
Why to get money back, you must submit passport copy and ************ copy from both sides.
This is because they check the numbers on the cards, name and passport name to have a proof of identity.
And now they decide, to transfer money or not. They always can use security issue and close your account (the passport looks strange, the ************ colours are too bright, the angles are less oval than it should be, the numbers are strang, I don't know) and when they close the account, they reject the deposit from your credit card. **** and ********** handle over 25-30 billion transactions a year, I think there are options for e-commerce retailers and online casino's just the same, to decline transaction for various resons.
This is what Bwin is doing, it uses legal framework to reject deposit and this is fraud, as it uses it not to pay the player!
And I was, they thought, another easy catch for them to steal money I won. I am Israeli citizen, the cards are issued to me in Germany from German bank and the addresse on this cards is German too. I have apartment here. But Bwin says, or c'mon, let's close his account instead of paying him, how come he is from Israel has German ************? Maybe we will be lucky with him same as we are lucky to close other winning accounts we don't like, and if he requests too much, our lawyer will write him:
You are not who you are
You are not allowed to use your cards
SCARY? AH?
Bwin is scam and fraud, you don't have to close all accounts to be a scam, and besides most people, if it is only their winning were stolen, after complaining to Bwin would walk away. Not everybody will fight even for few thousand $ if it's only profits and not everybody understands all this scam with security reason to close account. It maybe even, that some players really believe they done something wrong. Bwin steals your money and only place you can complain to, is Bwin.
Doesn't it stinks?