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finished

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GL JBEX. Going with #5 Audible and the #11 Bolt D'Oro. Waiting on STR's Opinion as I will be throwing in a 3 or 4 horses exacta box as well.

thanks you too.. like the latter better of the two.. think he has the best package on paper with his 2yo record and also like the fact that he at least has experience facing big fields whereas justify has none.. of the 2nd tier horses (mm, audible, good magic, mendelssohn ) he'd be my pick but i'm swinging for the fences.. also has about as good a distance pedigree as you can have

[JBEX]

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[JBEX]

santa anita

R8 #2 moon juice (9-2)
R10 #6 glorious crown (5-1)
R11 #6 harliss (6-1)

[JBEX]

indiana grande


R1 #4 i am miss brown (6-1)
R2 #4 giovante (6-1)
R3 #7 on john (5-2)
R4 #1 ez man band (15-1)
R5 #1 warcraft (2-1)
R6 #6 zippy lou (4-1)
R7 #2 bandito (3-1)
R8 #4 english secret (20-1)

[JBEX]

finished

[JBEX]

belmont

R3 #6 jo's bold cat (6-1)
R4 #5 elenzee (7-2)
R6 #5 chestnut street (9-2)
R8 #7 amabilis (10-1)
R9 #8 kickin kimberly (10-1)

churchill .. 5pm

R1 #2 beach party (7-2)
R5 #9 pray for leslie (8-1)

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added churchill 1 5

[JBEX]

finished belmont

[JBEX]

belmont

R4 #4 business expense (3-1)
R6 #1 susan b anthony (3-1)

chad brown ridden by jose ortiz both..8/19 combo.. the 2nd one by galilleo out of stakes placed dam (debuter) who's dam production index is 24 (3-4 is very good).. tough to be better bred than that



churchill


R9 #7 babaknowsevrything (3-1)


santa anita

R3 #3 rossman (15-1)
R4 #6 scat big dad (8-1)

[JBEX]

added cd 9 and sa 3 4

[JBEX]

belmont

R4 #10 signapore trader (6-1)
R10 #3 just whistle (5-1)
R11 #8 bigger picture (12-1)


santa anita

R9 #8 thalia (15-1)

teriffic turf, win early pedigree.. dam a winner and noticed the very high dpi and 4 winners from as many starters ..used the link that str gave to see her progeny and understand the rating.. she's half to a 500k plus earner and 3 other very solid horses ..great tool to have.. solid jockey and trainer and will gladly take a price on this one

[JBEX]

finished belmont

[JBEX]

added sa 9

[mrginandtonic]

added sa 9

I’m gonna try the 11- Love of Art, his grand sire is War Front his dam is out Giant Causeway, I just think he can do some running on turf, even though according to DRF, his sire Declaration of War is 0 for 7 first turf....


Disappointed

[JBEX]

I’m gonna try the 11- Love of Art, his grand sire is War Front his dam is out Giant Causeway, I just think he can do some running on turf, even though according to DRF, his sire Declaration of War is 0 for 7 first turf....


Disappointed

hey mrgnt.. obviously i'm getting to this after the race but here's what I would have said before.. the 0-7 on dow wouldn't bother me at all as he was a turf monster with a pedigree to match and 7 starts too small a sample to draw any conclusions ..of course giant's causeway on the bottom another positive but she's really more geared for a route of ground by sire and dam sire (average winning distance ) I'm not trying to be snooty here but the brisnet pp's really give you a lot more important information than the drf classics...and I was a drf user for about 35 years

average winning distance sire and dam sire..
sire production and dam production index ..
dam unraced, placed, winner, stks plcd stks winner..
% first out, %first turf, %winners turf, % off track
off track, turf and distance ratings for each horse (don't use these)

so for example you have a giant's causeway mare who was unraced or you have a giant's causeway mare who was a stakes winner and has 3 winners from as many starters including a stakes winner..now does that mean your unraced gc mare can't produce a better horse (of cause not ha ha) but if you have this information it's hard not to upgrade the latter


again i'm not trying to be an info snob here but feel it's important stuff to know when you're evaluating horses based on pedigree..I'm always open to criticism if you disagree with me on anything including this

[mrginandtonic]

hey mrgnt.. obviously i'm getting to this after the race but here's what I would have said before.. the 0-7 on dow wouldn't bother me at all as he was a turf monster with a pedigree to match and 7 starts too small a sample to draw any conclusions ..of course giant's causeway on the bottom another positive but she's really more geared for a route of ground by sire and dam sire (average winning distance ) I'm not trying to be snooty here but the brisnet pp's really give you a lot more important information than the drf classics...and I was a drf user for about 35 years

average winning distance sire and dam sire..
sire production and dam production index ..
dam unraced, placed, winner, stks plcd stks winner..
% first out, %first turf, %winners turf, % off track
off track, turf and distance ratings for each horse (don't use these)

so for example you have a giant's causeway mare who was unraced or you have a giant's causeway mare who was a stakes winner and has 3 winners from as many starters including a stakes winner..now does that mean your unraced gc mare can't produce a better horse (of cause not ha ha) but if you have this information it's hard not to upgrade the latter


again i'm not trying to be an info snob here but feel it's important stuff to know when you're evaluating horses based on pedigree..I'm always open to criticism if you disagree with me on anything including this

That’s great info. JBEX. I am just so use to Racing Form. As for the horse today, I do know that he wants more distance. But turf pedigree was not the only reason I chose him. I also looked at the jockey and trainer. 6 1/2 furlong downhill turf is not an easy race to do, either for the jockey or the horse. One of the best at this downhill race course is Joseph Talamo. In this race, I was gonna key his horse or my pick to come in first or second cuz I thought that this race was gonna be won by a firster. I thought that Prat can get a good ride from the outside post and I love Callaghan as a turf trainer. I didn’t pick Talamo horse cuz I didn’t care for Blame as a sire (dirt or turf) and trainer Kruljac is not known with turf runners. Adding all that, that’s why I pick him. But the way I wagered is the key to this race for me. Even if I had those added info, I am not sure if it was swayed me the other way. I agree, Brisnet probably has more info but it is just not for me, no offense. I do ok with DRF so I’m sticking with it. Don’t really have the time or effort to learn to read new PP.

[JBEX]

That’s great info. JBEX. I am just so use to Racing Form. As for the horse today, I do know that he wants more distance. But turf pedigree was not the only reason I chose him. I also looked at the jockey and trainer. 6 1/2 furlong downhill turf is not an easy race to do, either for the jockey or the horse. One of the best at this downhill race course is Joseph Talamo. In this race, I was gonna key his horse or my pick to come in first or second cuz I thought that this race was gonna be won by a firster. I thought that Prat can get a good ride from the outside post and I love Callaghan as a turf trainer. I didn’t pick Talamo horse cuz I didn’t care for Blame as a sire (dirt or turf) and trainer Kruljac is not known with turf runners. Adding all that, that’s why I pick him. But the way I wagered is the key to this race for me. Even if I had those added info, I am not sure if it was swayed me the other way. I agree, Brisnet probably has more info but it is just not for me, no offense. I do ok with DRF so I’m sticking with it. Don’t really have the time or effort to learn to read new PP.

ok mrgnt... I understand and if you ever look at the others and have a question just ask me.. I do like the beyer figures better but for me the positives of brisnet outweigh the negatives.. maybe we'll go back n forth in the other thread friday or saturday if you can

[JBEX]

santa anita

R6 #5 it's a new year (4-1)
R8 #4 chromium (6-1)
R9 #7 starting bloc (4-1)

hey mrgnt ...feel free to chime in if you're looking at it today

[mrginandtonic]

santa anita

R6 #5 it's a new year (4-1)
R8 #4 chromium (6-1)
R9 #7 starting bloc (4-1)

hey mrgnt ...feel free to chime in if you're looking at it today

Yeah, I’m looking at Santa Anita today cuz of the pick 6.... not an easy card today. I posted some picks that I liked in my thread.

[JBEX]

santa anita

R6 #5 it's a new year (4-1)
R8 #4 chromium (6-1)
R9 #7 starting bloc (4-1)

hey mrgnt ...feel free to chime in if you're looking at it today

off track.. small or not at all

[JBEX]

finger lakes

R4 #2 buddy anthony (7-2)
R5 #8 rollo lothbrok (6-1)
R6 #8 classic stones (8-1)
R7 #3 a taste of glory (7-2)
R9 #1 mahvelous marie (6-1)

[JBEX]

finished finger lakes

[JBEX]

thistledown

R1 #6 raging saint (6-1)


indiana grand

R2 #7 major bluff (15-1)
R3 #5 regal wildcat (6-1)

R4 #4 ruling empire (4-5)

not a bet but if they have show wageringcould see bridgejumpers here..first time starter ridiculous mismatch on pedigree and connections alone.. I doubt the billionaires at qatar racing care that the msw purse is about 20k less here vs major tracks

R6 #4 sureis (3-1)

sure will be an underlay but looks much better to me

[JBEX]

finished

[JBEX]

preakness

sporting chance

i'm a long time critic of d wayne lukas and feel since his glory days in the 80's and 90's he does very little with the good stock he gets to work with overall..realize he's had some good ones but not enough imo...according to brisnet stats he is 3/96 in graded stakes and not sure how far that goes back ..pretty awful

that being said and factoring in the value I'll be getting going to take a shot with him in the preakness..like the fact he is a 575k yearling purchase by dual bc classic winner tiznow..after a solid 2nd in his debut at churchill breaks his maiden in his next race at saratoga..follows that up with a win in the g1 hopefull at 7f knocking heads all the way around on a very fair pace according to brisnet

without commenting race to race on his 3yo year I feel he has been compromised by multiple factors..bad posts,off tracks and some less than favorable trips..understand he ran on the same day as the derby in the pat day mile and therefore comes back on the same short rest..I'm bucking the negatives (trainer,short rest) and hoping in a small field on what will hopefully be a fast track that he can return to his 2yo form..and what better name for a horse like this anyway

[JBEX]

belmont

R6 #5 scat back (30-1)

that's it for today

[JBEX]

churchill ..5pm post

R3 #4 grit and glory (4-1)
R5 #1 tofino (7-2)
R6 xbox 37
R8 #3 purimeter (15-1)

[JBEX]

pimlico

R1 #9 my diva (20-1)

first time starter whose sire is above average off track and out of a stakes placed dam who broke her maiden first time out at santa anita.. solid works leading up to this

probably not playing much today

[Easy-Rider 66]

preakness

sporting chance

i'm a long time critic of d wayne lukas and feel since his glory days in the 80's and 90's he does very little with the good stock he gets to work with overall..realize he's had some good ones but not enough imo...according to brisnet stats he is 3/96 in graded stakes and not sure how far that goes back ..pretty awful

that being said and factoring in the value I'll be getting going to take a shot with him in the preakness..like the fact he is a 575k yearling purchase by dual bc classic winner tiznow..after a solid 2nd in his debut at churchill breaks his maiden in his next race at saratoga..follows that up with a win in the g1 hopefull at 7f knocking heads all the way around on a very fair pace according to brisnet

without commenting race to race on his 3yo year I feel he has been compromised by multiple factors..bad posts,off tracks and some less than favorable trips..understand he ran on the same day as the derby in the pat day mile and therefore comes back on the same short rest..I'm bucking the negatives (trainer,short rest) and hoping in a small field on what will hopefully be a fast track that he can return to his 2yo form..and what better name for a horse like this anyway

#3, SPORTING CHANCE (30-1):

Little has gone according to plan this year for the 2017 Hopeful winner. He missed his chance to make it into the Kentucky Derby when he reverted to his juvenile antics in the Blue Grass, swerving wildly through the lane while hampering his foes. Entered in the Pat Day Mile as a consolation prize, he actually ran quite well to be fourth. He was shuffled out of position on the backstretch and did well to rally past many rivals in the lane despite racing wide. However, that effort came going one turn, and now he’s being asked to stretch out again. I believe that shorter distances are what Sporting Chance needs at this point, so it’s hard to envision him as more than a pace factor here.

Timeform's Take

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey JBEX: You are approaching an SBR Milestone. 10K in points. In the old days, a non pro could carry over I think 10K to 25K in points to Pro Status. Now only 3K. Any way GL today with the Preakness. Do not let the mud scare you off. LOL.

[JBEX]

thanks easy..could see diamond king heading straight for the lead forcing justify to stay with him to keep him honest..sporting chance might wind up tracking on the rail in 3rd which wouldn't be a bad place to be today with the slop..he passed a lot of horses in his last race which might be a good learning experience for him considering he's only run close to the front before..feel he offers many positives at the big price..toppling justify a tall order but 2nd not out of the question

[Easy-Rider 66]

thanks easy..could see diamond king heading straight for the lead forcing justify to stay with him to keep him honest..sporting chance might wind up tracking on the rail in 3rd which wouldn't be a bad place to be today with the slop..he passed a lot of horses in his last race which might be a good learning experience for him considering he's only run close to the front before..feel he offers many positives at the big price..toppling justify a tall order but 2nd not out of the question

Yeah will give your horse and MR. G&T's a look for a lockdown contest I am in. Also waiting to read STR's thoughts if he posts. Thx.

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pimlico

R10 #7 laki (15-1)

[Easy-Rider 66]

pimlico

R10 #7 laki (15-1)

Like him here as well. GL.