[Wallco99]

any reason why you think your system didnt do as great last year as years in the past? just a tough stretch? looking forward to this year!

I blame the Olympics.

[k0karn]

What do you think about U22.5 on all games combined tonight for 1.72 odds?

[Wallco99]

What do you think about U22.5 on all games combined tonight for 1.72 odds?

50/50 shot of hitting it.

[Greg242]

50/50 shot of hitting it.

[imotiv8]

Check in

[Johnno4]

New to betting hockey, and even following hockey more than casually. Reviewed this thread and looks like it will be a good way to dipping my feet into some NHL betting. Ty, and best wishes.

[peewea]

New to this system. Do we just check in this thread each day for new picks?

[Wallco99]

Check in

Welcome back.

[Wallco99]

New to this system. Do we just check in this thread each day for new picks?

Sounds about right. But read thread first. Many questions you will ask were probably already answered a multitude of times.

[parlay100]

In again my friends.

[kvimzon]

Checking in, can't wait to get started on this.

Is Habs gonna be the first series in V1?

[skyscrapers]

Checking in, can't wait to get started on this.

Is Habs gonna be the first series in V1?

His V1 rules state not to count the first 3 games if the season.

[kvimzon]

Wow, i missed the first rule, GJ.

[Greg242]

I am overly excited for the first play, can't help myself!

[Wallco99]

10/20/14

First play of season (formal posts will follow Monday).

#1 Edmonton (v2) (A)

[dalogester]

ERM. Checking in!

[justin81]

Let's go... !!!

[sebz1390]

Does that mean take Tampa?

[knugen]

No you bet on edmonton PL

[wero76]

what about the " (fade) "?

[knugen]

Actually i dont know why. Read the rules on page 1. V2 are when a team lost three games and when they have we tail them.

[dalogester]

Sigh bookmaker won't let me bet on Edmonton +1.5!! Keeps saying line changed and every time I agree with new line and hit confirm it brings up same message. Been doing it for hours. Anyone else use bookmaker?

[CarloTwoGuns]

Damn Edmonton really suck though lol

[dzuke155]

No I use 5dimes

[TrojanMan8]

Sigh bookmaker won't let me bet on Edmonton +1.5!! Keeps saying line changed and every time I agree with new line and hit confirm it brings up same message. Been doing it for hours. Anyone else use bookmaker?

I was able to place this bet on bookmaker through my phone. Maybe try the mobile site?

[Wallco99]

Actually i dont know why. Read the rules on page 1. V2 are when a team lost three games and when they have we tail them.

You're right, I have no idea why I typed "fade" there. Sorry, it has been corrected.

[skyscrapers]

Following you again Mr. Wallco. This year I'm going big...$100 per chase. GL for the season

[Wallco99]

Following you again Mr. Wallco. This year I'm going big...$100 per chase. GL for the season

You're talking my numbers now. Welcome back.

[Wallco99]

Since we are up, should we end the system for the season and declare it a winner for 2014-15?

[skyscrapers]

Since we are up, should we end the system for the season and declare it a winner for 2014-15?

Then we should have played 10K tonight and then just call it a season

[knugen]

Congrats every one and BOL to a good season

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD backtest for v1 and v2 Systems

Live play on SBR started in the 2011-12 Season

I in no way guarantee that this season or any other future season will produce the same results as posted below. This is merely a backtest of previous performance, and shows the increase of probability that it will happen again. It doesn’t mean it will. Please do not bet above your means. I am in no way selling anything to anybody, profiting off of their wagers, or twisting their arm to place a bet. I am merely providing information that can easily be verified by doing your own backtest. Everything is laid out here, and there are NO GUARANTEES when it comes to sports wagering.
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V1 History

2013-14 (155-8)
A) 115-48
B) 34-14
C) 6-8
Losses: VAN (-24.04 u), LAK (-26.60 u), PIT (-29.63 u), STL (-25.52 u), TOR (-13.89 u), BOS (-67.89 u), LAK (-11.02 u), COL (-12.08 u)

Total profit: -55.68 units


2012-13 (90-3) *Strike shortened season*
A) 63-30
B) 17-13
C) 10-3
Losses: MIN (-18.04), WAS (-23.28), PIT (-22.63)

Total profit: +26.07 units


2011-12 (150-6)
A) 87-69
B) 50-19
C) 13-6
Losses: OTT (-10.96), EDM (-14.96), DET (-22.03), MIN (-15.02), PHO (-9.61), NJ (-26.54)

Total profit: +50.88 units


2010-11 (161-3)
A) 105-59
B) 44-15
C) 12-3
Losses: LAK (-23.8 ), NAS (-26.82), ATL (-17.94)

Total profit: +92.44 units


2009-10 (158-4)
A) 104-58
B) 40-18
C) 14-4
Losses: LAK (-11.82), PHO (-19.70), WAS (-22.83), WAS (-18.20)

Total profit: +85.45 units


2008-09 (150-7)
A) 101-56
B) 37-19
C) 12-7
Losses: BOS (-16.16), CHI (-19.2), CHI (-23.96), DET (-9.89), DET (-20.69), PIT (-16.55), ATL (-20.47)

Total profit: +23.08 units


2007-08 (160-9)
A) 113-56
B) 39-17
C) 8-9
Losses: ANA (-25.01), CAL (-12.35), DAL (-18.5), DET (-20.21), NJ (-27.14), NYI (-12.73), PIT (-21.95), SJ(-16.13), WAS(-20.8)

Total profit: -14.82 units


2006-07 (156-4)
A) 100-60
B) 39-21
C) 17-4
Losses: CAL (-18.13), CAL (-15.48), NAS (-14.96), PHO (-18.79)

Total profit: +88.64 units


2005-06 (159-7)
A) 108-58
B) 29-29
C) 22-7
Losses: BUF (-14.09), CBS (-32.32), DET (10.54), DET(-18.65), NAS(-28.37), NYR(-14.07), OTT(-11.51)

Total profit: +29.45 units

V1 Grand Total: +325.51 units (avg +36.17 units/season)

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V2 History

2013-14 (73-2)
A) 48-27
B) 14-13
C) 11-2
Losses: DET (-12.81 u), STL (-21.65 u)

Total profit: +38.54 units


2012-13 (40-3) *Strike shortened season*
A) 25-18
B) 10-8
C) 5-3
Losses: NJ (20.16), CAR (-31.57), FLA (-10.93)

Total profit: -22.66 units


2011-12 (56-2)
A) 40-18
B) 7-11
C) 9-2
Losses: MON (-18.6), DET (-19.51)

Total profit: +17.89 units


2010-11 (86-3)
A) 52-37
B) 25-12
C) 9-3
Losses: COL (-9.85), NJ (-29.58), WAS (-23.64)

Total profit: +22.93 units


2009-10 (79-1)
A) 56-24
B) 12-12
C) 11-1
Losses: EDM (-19.7)

Total profit: +59.3 units


2008-09 (70-1)
A) 48-23
B) 15-8
C) 7-1
Losses: COL (-12.71)

Total profit: +57.29 units


2007-08 (87-4)
A) 52-39
B) 28-11
C) 7-4
Losses: ANA (-25.39), DET (-20.93), NYI (-15.33), OTT (-18.89)

Total profit: +6.46 units


2006-07 (84-2)
A) 59-27
B) 17-10
C) 8-2
Losses: EDM (-23.55), MON (-16.62)

Total profit: +43.83 units


2005-06 (65-6)
A) 40-31
B) 18-13
C) 7-6
Losses: CBS (-14.57), EDM (-20.33), STL (-28.44), STL (-9.20), WAS (-9.10), ATL (-20.14)

Total profit: -40.78 units

V2 Grand Total: +182.80 units (avg +20.31 units/season)

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Both systems combined

2013-14 (228-10)
A) 163-75
B) 48-27
C) 17-10

Total profit: -17.14


2012-13 (130-6) *Strike shortened season*
A) 88-48
B) 27-21
C) 15-6

Total profit: +3.41 units


2011-12 (206-8)
A) 127-87
B) 57-30
C) 22-8

Total profit: +68.77 units


2010-11 (247-6)
A) 156-95
B) 68-27
C) 21-6

Total profit: +115.37 units


2009-10 (237-5)
A) 160-82
B) 52-30
C) 25-5

Total profit: +144.75 units


2008-09 (220-8)
A) 149-79
B) 52-27
C) 19-8

Total profit: +80.37 units


2007-08 (247-13)
A) 165-95
B) 67-28
C) 15-13

Total profit: -8.36 units


2006-07 (240-6)
A) 159-87
B) 56-31
C) 25-6

Total profit: +132.47 units


2005-06 (224-13)
A) 148-89
B) 47-42
C) 29-13

Total profit: -11.33 units


Combined Grand Total: +508.31 units (avg +56.48 units/season)

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL Gold - System Rules

Welcome to NHL GOLD. This system is a three game chase system based on teams winning/losing streaks. It is broken into two versions, Teams who win three games in a row S/U (v1), and teams who lose three games in a row S/U and ATS (v2). Needless to say, since this system is performance based, the chance of having both sides of a game being an official play at the same time does exist, and does happen on occasion. The v1 has been significantly stronger than the v2, but both are profitable long term. When posted, the plays will be listed as “v2” for the plays that correspond to v2. If “v2” is not posted next to the game, assume it as a v1. A description of each system is listed below.

V1 System (3 wins in a row S/U)
The v1 is based on teams winning streaks. The puck lines don’t matter while qualifying a team to be a play. Look for teams who have won three straight games. Once you find them, you will FADE this team (bet on their opponent) in a three game chase for the next three games. If the team you are betting on is even money on the money line, or a M/L favorite on ScoresandOdds.com, play the M/L. If they are a M/L dog, play the P/L. The final lines at ScoresandOdds.com will be used for stats results and for determining M/L or P/L.
If your team wins the first bet (the (A) bet), the series is over. If it loses, you will proceed to a (B) bet, wagering the amount you lost in (A) plus whatever profit you were trying to achieve in (A). If (B) bet loses, your (C) bet will be losses from (A) + (B) + profit. If (C) loses, the series is over and we take a loss. Hockey betting can be one of the most expensive sports to lose a 3 game chase, so adjust your wagers accordingly. Generally a loss is around 20 units, many are lower, and some are larger (could be upwards of 30 units). There are generally 150-170 plays in the v1 system, and from my backtesting I have noticed that it is usually around 9 losses before we take a negative for the season. This has only happened twice.

Special Rules for v1:
1) Never count the first THREE games of the season when determining teams winning streaks. Do not start counting team’s wins until their fourth game played. Which means the earliest we will have a play in v1 system will be on a team’s 7^th game.
2) Never play a winning streak around the All Star or Olympic breaks unless all three games of the chase are before the break or all three games of the chase are after the break. The winning streak to qualify the teams can span the break, but ALL the actual games we are betting on must all be BEFORE or AFTER the break. E.g.: A team qualifies near the all star break with three wins in a row. The team has two remaining games before the break. This team will NOT be a play because all three of the chase games were not before the break. E.g.: A team qualifies by winning their last two games before the break, and their first game after the break. This will be a play because ALL three chase games will be after the break.
3) If a team has a 6, 9, 12, 15, … game winning streak, there will be multiple plays during that streak. Each three in a row will be a play, so if a team has a 12 game winning streak, there will be four different chases along the way. These chases will never overlap, because the first one will always be concluded by the start of the next one.
4) NEVER START A CHASE IF IT CANNOT BE CONCLUDED. If a team wins three in a row, and does not have at least three remaining games on their schedule, do NOT play the series.
5) The way you play head-head games it at your discretion, but the system will count and play ALL qualified teams, unless they qualify at the same time, and their potential (C) bets will be against each other, we may opt not to play. I will help you recognize these with notes on the updates.


V2 System (3 losses in a row S/U and ATS)
The v2 system is a little different than the v1, the bet structure is the same and we will still be using ScoresandOdds.com, however, there is a little more to it than just losing three straight. Find teams that have lost 3 straight games. Next, make sure these teams have also lost three straight ATS. This means that a M/L favorite or M/L even odds team will only have to lose the game, but a M/L dog team has to lose by 2 or more goals. This info will be determined from the final lines at ScoresandOdds.com. Once a team qualifies, you will bet on that team to get a WIN in one of their next three games, same three game chase applies. So for the v2, we are betting ON the team, as opposed to the v1 where we are betting AGAINST the team.

Special rules for v2
1) You will use ATS as well as S/U to qualify teams.
2) Never count the first TWO games of the season when determining teams losing streaks. Do not start counting team’s losses until their third game played. Which means the earliest we will have a play in v2 system will be on a team’s 6^th game.
3) The All Star and Olympic breaks rule is the same as v1.
4) The losing streaks rule is the same as v1, provided all the games meet the ATS requirement.
5) Never start a chase if it cannot be concluded.
6) Head to head games it at your discretion, but all games will count in system..

The v2 has significantly less plays than the v1, mainly because of the ATS requirement. It will take less losses than the v1 to be negative for the season. This has only happened twice so far. The other years, the two in combination did phenomenally well. If you were to pick one over the other, I would go with the v1. But it seems that even the years that one happens to lose, the other one picks it up some. The years that both teams win, they win big. Below is a backtest through the 2005-06 season. I have listed them separately and combined, so you can see how they did on their own and together.

[Wallco99]

*****

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2014-15 System to date: 1-0 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +1 units (fin. series)
Current open series: None

(10/20/14):
#1 Edmonton (+1½) v2 (A) - Win


v1 Fades
(A) 0-0
(B) 0-0
(C) 0-0
Losses: None

v2 Plays
(A) 1-0
(B) 0-0
(C) 0-0
Losses: None



Games for (10/21/14):
#2 Carolina @ Winnipeg (M/L) v2 (A) (8:05 pm EDT)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.


Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L on M/L favorites and games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.