[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2011-12 System to date: 27-4 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: -37.03 units(fin. series)
Current open series: 2 (-3.55 units)

(11/11/11):
#30 Pittsburgh (M/L) (B) - Win
#32 Ottawa (+1½) (A) - Loss
#33 Washington (M/L) (A) - Win

v1 Plays
(A) 13-10
(B) 6-2
(C) 0-2
Losses: OTT (-10.96 u), EDM (-14.96 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 6-4
(B) 1-3
(C) 1-2
Losses: MON (-18.60 u), DET (-19.51 u)


Games for (11/12/11):
#31 Buffalo (+1½) @ Boston (B) (7:05 pm EST)
#32 Buffalo @ Boston (M/L) (B) (7:05 pm EST)
#34 Tampa Bay @ St. Louis (M/L) (A) (8:05 pm EST)
#35 Winnipeg @ Columbus (M/L) v2 (A) (7:05 pm EST)
#36 Dallas (+1½) @ Detroit (A) (7:05 pm EST)


Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. You may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (+1½) instead of the M/L. We will always play the M/L on favorites and (-110) games, and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules & backtest can be found in posts #1 and #2.

[lawalahmed]

Hi Wallco,

Why all these ur systems always do better during backtesting but fail to outperform during real mode......
Wishing you good luck

[Wallco99]

Hi Wallco,

Why all these ur systems always do better during backtesting but fail to outperform during real mode......
Wishing you good luck

Be careful using the words ALWAYS or NEVER when trying to make a sarcastic point. Don't forget about Chase 110, we went 85-0 last season, I wouldn't call that a loser. You are referring to ONE system, the MLB, because it is way too early to judge this one yet.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2011-12 System to date: 30-4 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: -34.03 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 2 (-10.34 units)

(11/12/11):
#31 Buffalo (+1½) (B) - Loss
#32 Boston (M/L) (B) - Win
#34 St. Louis (M/L) (A) - Win
#35 Columbus (M/L) v2 (A) - Win
#36 Dallas (+1½) (A) - Loss

v1 Plays
(A) 14-11
(B) 7-3
(C) 0-2
Losses: OTT (-10.96 u), EDM (-14.96 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 7-4
(B) 1-3
(C) 1-2
Losses: MON (-18.60 u), DET (-19.51 u)



There are no system plays for (11/13/11)
#31 Resumes (C) on 11/15/11
#36 Resumes (B) on 11/15/11


Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. You may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (+1½) instead of the M/L. We will always play the M/L on favorites and (-110) games, and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules & backtest can be found in posts #1 and #2.

[lawalahmed]

Be careful using the words ALWAYS or NEVER when trying to make a sarcastic point. Don't forget about Chase 110, we went 85-0 last season, I wouldn't call that a loser. You are referring to ONE system, the MLB, because it is way too early to judge this one yet.

O.k, i will follow u with one eye open....

[Wallco99]

O.k, i will follow u with one eye open....

[csavoia]

i have not seen many systems outperform wallco's unless i am missing something

[alexknyc]

i have not seen many systems outperform wallco's unless i am missing something

Are you missing that it's down over 40 units?

[Wallco99]

Are you missing that it's down over 40 units?

Are you missing the fact that you are taking 1/2 of one season of a seven year test and acting as though the success/failure of a whole system is based on the current reslts, or even the results of one season, as MLB Plu$$. You can never say how an individual system is going to perform year to year, but when you take a several year sample, including the winning seasons as well as the losing seasons, and your overall profits are still massive, then the system to me is successful, even if it has one or two consecutive bad years. If someone is coming in here to make as much money as they can and then take their profit at the end of one season and never bet again, then system playing is not for them. They may catch a system on a bad year. Look at JM NFL, it's having it's worst year yet, and will probably be negative by season's end. Does that make the system a failure? I think not, and I'm sure many people who play it would agree that it was only a bad year, not necessarily a bad system.

[alexknyc]

Are you missing the fact that you are taking 1/2 of one season of a seven year test and acting as though the success/failure of a whole system is based on the current reslts, or even the results of one season, as MLB Plu$$. You can never say how an individual system is going to perform year to year, but when you take a several year sample, including the winning seasons as well as the losing seasons, and your overall profits are still massive, then the system to me is successful, even if it has one or two consecutive bad years. If someone is coming in here to make as much money as they can and then take their profit at the end of one season and never bet again, then system playing is not for them. They may catch a system on a bad year. Look at JM NFL, it's having it's worst year yet, and will probably be negative by season's end. Does that make the system a failure? I think not, and I'm sure many people who play it would agree that it was only a bad year, not necessarily a bad system.

Don't know about all that but between NHL Gold and MLB Plu$$$, you've been significantly in the red all year. And since no one knows your criteria for picks, no one can check your backtesting. I'm following your picks and testing to see if ML works better than PL and, so far, PL is only slightly less atrocious than ML.

It doesn't really matter whether it's PL or ML if your system isn't picking winners.

As for the OP, he came here saying that, unless he's missing something, he's not seeing other systems do as well. I pointed out something I thought he was missing.

[Wallco99]

All the criteria is laid out in post #1, feel free to double check any results I have posted. When there are 200-250 winning plays each season, I think that would qualify as "picking winners". If you are going to go back to previous systems of mine to try and strengthen your argument, then please don't stop with MLB Plu$$. Go back to the system right before that, which was 85-0 with all rules and criteria posted. That would be NBA Chase 110. Once again, it "picked winners". Sorry, but MLB Plu$$ was a system I sold, and couldn't post criteria for the picks. But the criteria for that was actually stronger than these other systems, which also have good prior results, and DO have system rules posted. MLB Plu$$ just had a bad season, and the vast majority of that was from implementing my v2 portion of the system, which turned out to be a disaster, and was responsible for most, if not all, of the system's final losses. The v1 did great at the end, and made up it's 30 unit losses that it was at just before I started in with the v2. The problem is, the v2 losses were too big. I am not looking to argue with you, I like you. But I just want people to stop judging systems as a whole based on what their unit count is at any given point in time, without considering how good or bad a system has done overall.

[Wallco99]

He obviously meant overall, because MLB, and at the moment, NHL aren't doing well. But overall, these systems have produced large profits, and there is no reason they can't do it again.

[pwireless]

Don't know about all that but between NHL Gold and MLB Plu$$$, you've been significantly in the red all year. And since no one knows your criteria for picks, no one can check your backtesting. I'm following your picks and testing to see if ML works better than PL and, so far, PL is only slightly less atrocious than ML.

It doesn't really matter whether it's PL or
ML if your system isn't picking winners.

As for the OP, he came here saying that, unless he's missing something, he's not seeing other systems do as well. I pointed out something I thought he was missing.

Hello y'all and welcome to Wallcos NHL u will loose 200-400 unit system. If u are reading this post then congratulations you are well on ur way to bankruptcy court. Now if u are into loosing your bets constantly than guess what all. Your in the right place. Not only will we be loosing about 200-400 units this year with Wallcos NHL system but guess what y'all he even offers losses year round! Yup u got it, you can loose money not only on NHL but NBA and MLB as well with "Wallcos always in the red 4 game chase system" everyone following this thread be ready and prepared for many treats to come. Watch wallco miserably fail and loose all his money year after year. But hey it's ok he's an honest guy. I am so sold by Wallcos system that I would love to pay him for all his picks. There be nothing more that I want to do but watch my sportsbook balance go from thousands to zero. With Wallcos always in the red betting system this financial chaos can be yours at no cost at all. I must a be dreaming. So to all congratulations on heading to poorness as you follow the wallco always in the red system. Like the say "your not bankrupt unless you got wallco by you side"
Follow his loosing system today I know I can't wait to loose all my money under the wallco system. Wooohoooo I am so excited. Come on everyone let's loose another D bet. I love to chase 4 games and loose all 4 with wallco. Nothing like loosing 30 units on one bet. So now that the system has been introduced let's go loose some money with wallcO

[pwireless]

Oh and uh sorry with hockey we only get to loose 3 games but baseball we get to loose 4
Thanks wallco for all ur loosing picks. Keep em coming brotha

[alexknyc]

Hello y'all and welcome to Wallcos NHL u will loose 200-400 unit system. If u are reading this post then congratulations you are well on ur way to bankruptcy court. Now if u are into loosing your bets constantly than guess what all. Your in the right place. Not only will we be loosing about 200-400 units this year with Wallcos NHL system but guess what y'all he even offers losses year round! Yup u got it, you can loose money not only on NHL but NBA and MLB as well with "Wallcos always in the red 4 game chase system" everyone following this thread be ready and prepared for many treats to come. Watch wallco miserably fail and loose all his money year after year. But hey it's ok he's an honest guy. I am so sold by Wallcos system that I would love to pay him for all his picks. There be nothing more that I want to do but watch my sportsbook balance go from thousands to zero. With Wallcos always in the red betting system this financial chaos can be yours at no cost at all. I must a be dreaming. So to all congratulations on heading to poorness as you follow the wallco always in the red system. Like the say "your not bankrupt unless you got wallco by you side" Follow his loosing system today I know I can't wait to loose all my money under the wallco system. Wooohoooo I am so excited. Come on everyone let's loose another D bet. I love to chase 4 games and loose all 4 with wallco. Nothing like loosing 30 units on one bet. So now that the system has been introduced let's go loose some money with wallcO

Only someone with something to hide, who has been exposed, would be this childish. Go back to your thread where no one cares who you are as long as they're winning. It's only a matter of time before you're exposed as a tout and start selling.

[thelimit0310]

Wallco's NBA system has been one of the most successful systems I've ever seen...the risk is minimal, the losses are minimal, and with a labby is easily recovered though using the labby is not required to win. If your looking to INVEST in sports, and not gamble, then a season or half season sample does not matter. Wallco's systems have performed very well overall and he is very undeserving of all this heat he takes. It's a shame, really.

[dominate.]

Wallco's NBA system has been one of the most successful systems I've ever seen...the risk is minimal, the losses are minimal, and with a labby is easily recovered though using the labby is not required to win. If your looking to INVEST in sports, and not gamble, then a season or half season sample does not matter. Wallco's systems have performed very well overall and he is very undeserving of all this heat he takes. It's a shame, really.

Truest words I've read in a while. A breath of fresh air.

[alexknyc]

This is not about Wallco-- who I actually like-- this is about the systems. Wallco's NBA system's 85-0 record is VERY impressive. Unfortunately, there's no NBA season this year. His MLB and NHL systems are not performing to expectations, given the impressive backtests. Wallco himself certainly doesn't deserve any heat. He's not forcing anyone to bet his picks.

[Maxi_EV]

This is not about Wallco-- who I actually like-- this is about the systems. Wallco's NBA system's 85-0 record is VERY impressive. Unfortunately, there's no NBA season this year. His MLB and NHL systems are not performing to expectations, given the impressive backtests. Wallco himself certainly doesn't deserve any heat. He's not forcing anyone to bet his picks.

I will no more play pocket aces, 'cause I just lost twice with them...
What a crappy hand!

[alexknyc]

I will no more play pocket aces, 'cause I just lost twice with them...
What a crappy hand!

Pocket Aces relies on being able to force people out preflop. If you're playing with people who won't fold, pocket aces has only about a 33% chance of winning against a full table. I've gone out of a tournament on the first hand three times in my life-- all with AA. Doesn't mean I won't play them, I just won't expect to win often if there's more than two or three opponents in with me.

[Wallco99]

My favorite hand is KQ suited, Aces kill.

[Wallco99]

Thanks guys. I'll admit, the MLB went bad. But even with that season (including the v2 which will NEVER again be part of it) the system is still up over 500 units since 2005. Take out that one year of v2, which I shouldn't have added, and total overall profits are about the same as they were at the end of the previous season, in the high 500's. That is why I seperated the two within the system, I thought v2 was good, but it turned out to be a disaster. I still believe it will be good again (the original version). I really wish I could post the criteria for that one, but I can't. But every other system's criteria of mine is posted in this forum, and any back test that any one else would do would prove the same results I have posted (+/- a few bucks depending on what lines you use). The backtests are all we have in order to determine trends of whether a system can win or lose. No backtest will ever tell you how the results will go for the upcoming seasons. But chances are that if they were winning seasons the majority of the time, they will probably win again, even if a season or two is in the red. There is not one system on here, or anywhere, that can guarantee it will win EVERY season. But if you can find ones that win more often than they lose, that is one to look at. We are only 34 plays into a 250 play season, we could just as easily be up 30 units at this point, but that wouldn't guarantee that at the end of the year we would be up, just as being down units right now doesn't deem the system a failure and mean we will be down at the end.

[alexknyc]

My favorite hand is KQ suited, Aces kill.

Heads up, I'll take AA but at a full table I'd prefer KQs.

[Maxi_EV]

Pocket Aces relies on being able to force people out preflop. If you're playing with people who won't fold, pocket aces has only about a 33% chance of winning against a full table. I've gone out of a tournament on the first hand three times in my life-- all with AA. Doesn't mean I won't play them, I just won't expect to win often if there's more than two or three opponents in with me.

No kidding?

What a genius hater you are...

[Maxi_EV]

Heads up, I'll take AA but at a full table I'd prefer KQs.

Wow!

Against random hands at a full ring table:

AA: 34.5% equity
KQs : 20.6% equity

Bravo professor!
What a genius!

[alexknyc]

No kidding?

What a genius hater you are...

I'm neither a genius nor a hater.

But don't think you're anything special either-- people with anger issues on the internet are a dime a dozen.

[Wallco99]

Wow!

Against random hands at a full ring table:

AA: 34.5% equity
KQs : 20.6% equity

Bravo professor!
What a genius!

I never said it was a mathematically good hand, just that I have had a lot of success playing them in private tournaments, where you get actual cards and not two cards eloctronically programmed to come out whenever they want. Gave up on the online poker, live games are much more profitable when people fold easier under the pressure.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2011-12 System to date: 30-4 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: -34.03 units(fin. series)
Current open series: 2 (-10.34 units)


There are no system plays for (11/14/11)
#31 Resumes (C) on 11/15/11
#36 Resumes (B) on 11/15/11

[Maxi_EV]

I never said it was a mathematically good hand, just that I have had a lot of success playing them in private tournaments, where you get actual cards and not two cards eloctronically programmed to come out whenever they want. Gave up on the online poker, live games are much more profitable when people fold easier under the pressure.

That was actually for the dude...

[alexknyc]

Wow!

Against random hands at a full ring table:

AA: 34.5% equity
KQs : 20.6% equity

Bravo professor!
What a genius!

If all you're looking at is those numbers, you're welcome to sit at my table anytime.

KQs is far easier to toss when the flop misses you than AA is. When you lose with AA, you'll lose more money because you didn't toss it immediately after the flop. People tend to overvalue AA.

[csavoia]

i dont know anyone on here but i have looked at all the guys and their systems and for me this one is the most logical and i think will reap the most in the end.. the season isnt even a quarter old in nhl man relax.. i dont know this other guy and his hating but give it a rest. we are all human we can decide who we pick for systems to use if any.

[csavoia]

and alex good point but i was going on his logic the past few seasons. i guess i should have mentioned that. i am new to using systems as i said previous NHl is the worst one for me so i will use one that i think will work. and i think wallco will work. it is early yet and hey if he loses this year then i see next year. one bad season does not a bad system make.

[sunzal]

Oh and uh sorry with hockey we only get to loose 3 games but baseball we get to loose 4
Thanks wallco for all ur loosing picks. Keep em coming brotha

2 things are clear.....(1) wallco is a stand up honest guy who i hope wins and (2) never, ever....ever....listen to anyone who thinks lose has two "o"s in it....many spelling errors should be overlooked, but that one is the sign of an absolute idiot who we should feel bad for but never listen to

[Maxi_EV]

If all you're looking at is those numbers, you're welcome to sit at my table anytime.

KQs is far easier to toss when the flop misses you than AA is. When you lose with AA, you'll lose more money because you didn't toss it immediately after the flop. People tend to overvalue AA.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2011-12 System to date: 30-4 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: -34.03 units(fin. series)
Current open series: 2 (-10.34 units)

v1 Plays
(A) 14-11
(B) 7-3
(C) 0-2
Losses: OTT (-10.96 u), EDM (-14.96 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 7-4
(B) 1-3
(C) 1-2
Losses: MON (-18.60 u), DET (-19.51 u)


Games for (11/15/11):
#31 New Jersey (+1½) @ Boston (C) (7:05 pm EST)
#36 Detroit @ St. Louis (M/L) (B) (7:05 pm EST)
#37 N.Y. Rangers @ N.Y. Islanders (+1½) (A) (7:05 pm EST)


Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. You may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (+1½) instead of the M/L. We will always play the M/L on favorites and (-110) games, and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules & backtest can be found in posts #1 and #2.