[peterpan19]

Now that tor is the fav, we play the ML?
Which book do I have t look at ?
Thx

[Wallco99]

Now that tor is the fav, we play the ML?
Which book do I have t look at ?
Thx

For now, that would be correct. They are actually at even money right now (-110). ScoresandOdds.com lines are all that matter when determining M/L or P/L. Currently, M/L is the play, but that could change by tonight. -300 is really steep for a (C) bet, so I hope the M/L play sticks, although that 1 1/2 may really come in handy in this one.

[Ryencee]

For now, that would be correct. They are actually at even money right now (-110). ScoresandOdds.com lines are all that matter when determining M/L or P/L. Currently, M/L is the play, but that could change by tonight. -300 is really steep for a (C) bet, so I hope the M/L play sticks, although that 1 1/2 may really come in handy in this one.

Seeing as how Toronto will probably be up 3-1 in the 3rd with 4 min to go and then the Sens will tie it up and go into OT that +1 1/2 is gonna be nice to have

[Wallco99]

Seeing as how Toronto will probably be up 3-1 in the 3rd with 4 min to go and then the Sens will tie it up and go into OT that +1 1/2 is gonna be nice to have

Yes, but the P/L has climbed out of control (-340). A $557 bet will cost you $1893. I am not betting it unless they are the dog, then system says to. If I lose, then I lose.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2011-12 System to date: 14-2 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: -15.56 units(finished series)
Current open series: 2 (-6.36 units)

(10/30/11):
#12 Toronto (M/L) (C) - Loss
#17 St. Louis (M/L) (B) - Loss

v1 Plays
(A) 6-6
(B) 4-2
(C) 0-1
Losses: Ottawa (-10.96 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 3-3
(B) 1-1
(C) 0-1
Losses: Montreal (-18.60 u)


There are no system plays for (10/31/11):
#17 Resumes (C) on 11/3/11
#18 Resumes v2 (B) on 11/1/11


** Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. You may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (+1½) instead of the M/L. We will always play the M/L on favorites and (-110) games, and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules & backtest can be found in posts #1 and #2.

[roile]

Well I got Toronto P/L at -370...(1.27 in my continent) but it was worth it...

[alexknyc]

I don't know that any bet will win often enough for a -370 bet to be worth taking.

[Ryencee]

PL for the win. Luckily got it at -300 before it went crazy

[Wallco99]

Time to start racking up some (A) bet wins.

[BlindBeggar]

Thanks for posting.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2011-12 System to date: 14-2 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: -15.56 units(finished series)
Current open series: 2 (-6.36 units)


v1 Plays
(A) 6-6
(B) 4-2
(C) 0-1
Losses: Ottawa (-10.96 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 3-3
(B) 1-1
(C) 0-1
Losses: Montreal (-18.60 u)


Games for (11/1/11):
#17 Resumes (C) on 11/3/11
#18 Minnesota @ Detroit (M/L) v2 (B) (7:35 pm EDT)
#19 Ottawa @ Boston (M/L) v2 (A) (7:05 pm EDT)
#20 Ottawa @ Boston (M/L) (A) (7:05 pm EDT)


** Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. You may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (+1½) instead of the M/L. We will always play the M/L on favorites and (-110) games, and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules & backtest can be found in posts #1 and #2.

[Maxi_EV]

Wallco?

Any rules regarding bad odds like Detroit today @ -196 ?

[Wallco99]

Wallco?

Any rules regarding bad odds like Detroit today @ -196 ?

M/L on favorites.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2011-12 System to date: 16-2 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: -13.56 units(finished series)
Current open series: 2 (-11.51 units)

(11/1/11):
#18 Detroit (M/L) v2 (B) - Loss
#19 Boston (M/L) v2 (A) - Win
#20 Boston (M/L) (A) - Win

v1 Plays
(A) 7-6
(B) 4-2
(C) 0-1
Losses: Ottawa (-10.96 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 4-3
(B) 1-2
(C) 0-1
Losses: Montreal (-18.60 u)


There are no system plays for (11/2/11):
#17 Resumes (C) on 11/3/11
#18 Resumes v2 (C) on 11/3/11


** Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. You may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (+1½) instead of the M/L. We will always play the M/L on favorites and (-110) games, and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules & backtest can be found in posts #1 and #2.

[jnsbanman]

Just curious... Who is the C bet on tomorrow?... #17 was STL but they do not play till the 4th vs Vancouver.

[peterpan19]

Its LA I think
BOL

[jnsbanman]

??? Time to read the first post for me.

EDIT: Now I get it... Edmonton has won 5 straight so we are fading them vs the kings.

[Wallco99]

Just curious... Who is the C bet on tomorrow?... #17 was STL but they do not play till the 4th vs Vancouver.

#17 is an Edmonton Fade.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2011-12 System to date: 16-2 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: -13.56 units(finished series)
Current open series: 2 (-11.51 units)


v1 Plays
(A) 7-6
(B) 4-2
(C) 0-1
Losses: Ottawa (-10.96 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 4-3
(B) 1-2
(C) 0-1
Losses: Montreal (-18.60 u)


Games for (11/3/11):
#17 Edmonton @ L.A. Kings (M/L) (C) (10:35 pm EDT)
#18 Calgary @ Detroit (M/L) v2 (C) (7:35 pm EDT)
#21 New Jersey (+1½) @ Philadelphia v2 (A) (7:05 pm EDT)
#22 Nashville (+1½) @ Phoenix (A) (10:05 pm EDT)


** Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. You may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (+1½) instead of the M/L. We will always play the M/L on favorites and (-110) games, and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules & backtest can be found in posts #1 and #2.

[hagball52]

Just for fun, look what JM sent me:



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[Wallco99]

He sent me that too. I replied to him with all of his plays so far to date, and reminded him that I will never give him another dime and I will always know his system plays for EVERY system all the time. He hates when I do that, but still sends me this crap.

[peterpan19]

Hope we win both C bets today, that would be really important, I mean when do you start the year with 4 straight C bet losses?

[GGPLAYER]

The hair on the back of your head are soon going to rise on their
own once you discover the startling details of my brand new
NHL betting system and realize the incredibly ingenuity of my
betting technique that has made NHL betting massively profitable
every single season over the last 20 years! Again, during no NHL
season has the system ever produced more than 1 loss, and most of
the time you're going to go through the entirety of the season
without suffering a single one!

The new NHL season is starting NOW, and this is truly the
perfect time for you to snatch my top-secret NHL betting system
right out of my hands and create a whirlwind of head-spinning
hockey betting profits for the entirety of your betting lifetime!

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This guy is the ultimate clown

[BernardMadoff]

Whoa, alot of juices.

[bauerranch]

I sent JM an email maybe one week ago asking his permission if I could sell his NHL System and use all of the PDF files that came with it. I told him since he gave me a life memership and was no longer using it I had hoped to bring it back to life.

--#1 I was giving him a dose of his BS back to him
--#2 Strange enough he sent me plays for tonight which is actually different that the emails you have above
--#3 He is a scam as always

Maybe I woke him up and realized there was some new blood out there!?

[bauerranch]

See He likes me
Its only been 3 years since I got an NHL email from him until this morning---

As a customer of my NHL system, I want to send you a reminder of
our upcoming NHL betting series:

The NHL System picks for November 3rd, 2011 are:

Edmonton Oilers [A] bet
Calgary Flames [A] bet

This means that you would make the [A] wager for the team on the
left on the date that the game is played. Remember to bet on the
+1.5 Puck Line if it is offered, and bet on the Money Line if
the Puck Line shows up as -1.5.

If your [A] bet happens to lose on the first day, then you would
make a [B] bet for the same team again on their next game when they
play, and a [C] bet on their last play if necessary.

Note that if you bet on the +1.5 Puck Line, then you will win
your bet even if your team loses by 1!

One more thing to keep in mind is that sometimes you may not
immediately see the game or the Puck Line available for betting on
the betting site. If that's the case, just wait and check back later.

[Maxi_EV]

Looks like Nashville is fav now!

[roile]

It seems that the original JM system beats Wallco's NHL Gold. No offense, just an observation. Edmonton and Calgary were A bets for JM, LAK and DET were C bets for Wallco...well, you see the results. I am terribly sorry to say, but this system seems to be having a losing season.

[dontbuythehook]

martingale systems are for lazy people. you are just gambling and praying it doesnt go to a C bet, b/c if and when you lose 2 bets in a row with one team the next time they play their % of winning does not rise simply b/c 'it's hard to lose 3 in a row compared to 2'.

morons

[Wallco99]

Terrible start, I agree, but it is far from over. Just don't know how the first 4 (C) bets can lose. Fortunately there are lots of plays in this system, more than any other. Hopefully that turns out to be a good thing. Depressing update around 11:00.

[allidoiswin89]

yea already half way to 9 losses per year to be profitable in the first couple of weeks. BOL man

[Maxi_EV]

Hi


I want to know what is the worst downswing your system had IN ONE SEASON in terms of "RUNNING PROFIT" before bouncing back. Meaning that if we had to start a season with this downswing (without having collecting any profit yet), how many units should we have as a roll to take that swing?

If you graph one season, what is the largest variation between linked high and low points?

Understand why I asked, guys? There was no offense, just caution. Well, after Wallco replied to me, I set my unit at 0.5% of my roll. So, I'm still here and WILL CONTINUE with Wallco. Having 9 C losses per season (average) DOESN'T mean that they will be spread out equally. Let's hope we are going for a long quiet run for a couple of weeks. I have seen early losses in some chasing systems, including the one I am backtesting. There is no hurry to pull out the white flag. Bankroll management lesson....again.

GL

[Maxi_EV]

It seems that the original JM system beats Wallco's NHL Gold. No offense, just an observation. Edmonton and Calgary were A bets for JM, LAK and DET were C bets for Wallco...well, you see the results. I am terribly sorry to say, but this system seems to be having a losing season.

[Maxi_EV]

martingale systems are for lazy people. you are just gambling and praying it doesnt go to a C bet, b/c if and when you lose 2 bets in a row with one team the next time they play their % of winning does not rise simply b/c 'it's hard to lose 3 in a row compared to 2'.

morons

What a genius...

Historically, what arr the odds that a Nhl team will lose 3 in a row (ml as fav and pl as dog) when they already lost 3 in a row?
Start by answering that and THEN come and call people "morons".

[Wallco99]

What a genius...

Historically, what arr the odds that a Nhl team will lose 3 in a row (ml as fav and pl as dog) when they already lost 3 in a row?
Start by answering that and THEN come and call people "morons".

Actually, in post #2, I have already answered that for our first resident jackass , which clearly shows that usually doesn't happen that often, and is profitable to play those streaks. I guess whatever system he uses is 100% assured of success, wish he would let us in on his little secret.