This isn't Game 7 (or Game 5). The Dodgers aren't down 2-1 (or 3-2). Nothing about this decision makes sense. Again, it's Freddy Garcia at home and they're up 2-1.Originally Posted by El Nino
Unreal Mattingly.
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10-07-13 06:28 PM #71
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10-07-13 06:29 PM #72
I am not a fan of Mattingly as a manager but this is the best move I have ever seen him make.
You can't manage scared. He's going for it right now. You seize this opportunity and end the series with the best pitcher in all of baseball. Open your minds a little bit.
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10-07-13 06:31 PM #73
Absolutely No way Atlanta win.......Dodgers RL all day!
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10-07-13 06:34 PM #74
I would hope the Dodgers have bigger plans in mind than overthinking a Game 4 up 2-1 at home against Freddy Garcia. Originally Posted by t-wizzle
Using your ace on three days rest for the first time ever coming off a 123-pitch performance when you're in control of the series reeks of both desperation and incompetence, which doesn't surprise me given Mattingly's in over his head trying to manage what is supposed to be a World Series contender.
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10-07-13 06:34 PM #75
Nobody is arguing that Mattingly isn't an idiot. My contention was that it shouldn't affect a grown man professional. Originally Posted by El Nino
"This ain't inter murals"
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10-07-13 06:36 PM #76
It shouldn't, but I don't see how it wouldn't -- at least privately. Originally Posted by tatddy
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10-07-13 06:37 PM #77
Originally Posted by No coincidences
I don't see it as desperation. Desperation would be saving him for a Game 5 in case you lose tonight. It's an aggressive move to win this series now. You want to end this thing in LA and this gives them the best chance to do it. Suppose Garcia gives up a bunch of runs and then Nolasco turns around and does the same - then you've completely squandered an opportunity and you head back to Atlanta.
I can't emphasize enough how much I agree with this move. You view it as him managing scared, I view it the opposite. Different perspectives on a big decision.
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10-07-13 06:38 PM #78
We'll see what happens. Like I said, they better close it out tonight now. Going back to ATL in a 2-2 tie without Kershaw would be interesting to say the least. Originally Posted by t-wizzle
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10-07-13 06:39 PM #79
I don't see it as desperation.
they are stepping on their throats and going for the kill.
not fking around.
by going with Kershaw up 2-1 they are already in Atlantas head going before the game starts, advantage Doyers.
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10-07-13 06:39 PM #80
Originally Posted by wagerjunkie
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10-07-13 06:40 PM #81
Mich St. lost to Notre Dame on the road, I see no reason why Iowa shouldn't be giving a fg or more in this matchup.*Iowa has been pretty tough at home over the years.*I think they are pretty good value at a pick at home against anyone, let alone a slightly above average Mich St. team Originally Posted by wagerjunkie
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10-07-13 06:42 PM #82
Like I said, it is a stupid move even if Dodgers win tonight because Mattingly would be wasting Kershaw for no reason and won't be available for Game 1. Better to try and close out tonight with Nolasco or anybody else other than Kershaw. That way, if Dodgers win, Mattingly can set rotation anyway he wants for NLCS. If Dodgers lose, he'll have Kershaw for Game 5 and still be favored in Atlanta. He is not thinking ahead. Originally Posted by t-wizzle
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10-07-13 06:42 PM #83
smoker u aight pal? Originally Posted by Smoke
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10-07-13 06:43 PM #84
Agree. Like I said, there's a bigger picture here. The Dodgers are supposed to be World Series contenders -- not NLDS contenders. Act like it. Originally Posted by LT Profits
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10-07-13 06:44 PM #85
Wasting him? He'd start Game 2. Originally Posted by LT Profits
LT you are way overthinking this. Anyways you don't worry about the next series, you worry about the series at hand.
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10-07-13 06:45 PM #86
dude. Originally Posted by LT Profits
they have to WIN THIS SERIES TO GET TO GAME 1 of the next series, you are acting like its a given right now that they are are advancing.. this gives them the best chance to do so.
why risk going to back to Atlanta 2-2 when you have this opportunity?
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10-07-13 06:46 PM #87
you are forgetting he still has another Cy Young award winnner ace in his pocket, in Grienke to start Game 1 of the next series. if they make it.
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10-07-13 06:46 PM #88
Wagerjunkie they don't get it. We aren't going to convince them and they aren't going to convince us. I like our logic here though so I'm ok with that. Originally Posted by wagerjunkie
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10-07-13 06:46 PM #89
You're the better team, up 2-1 in the series, and at home as a considerable favorite against Freddy Garcia. Pitching Kershaw on three days rest after 123 pitches doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I'm stupid...
LA likely wins this game without Kershaw; however, if they somehow lose tonight with Kershaw, then they have put themselves in a horrible spot.
Hell, even if they win tonight, they can't pitch Kershaw in game 1 of the NLCS.
By pitching Kershaw tonight, Mattingly is sending the message that the Dodgers are doing everything they can to end it. If somehow Kershaw is off and Atlanta wins, Atlanta will have all of the momentum and confidence heading into game 5.
I feel like the Dodgers are putting all of their eggs in the basket when they don't need to. You guys are acting like Kershaw is going to be fine but three days rest on 123 pitches????
Have any of you guys played baseball? That isn't easy.
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10-07-13 06:47 PM #90
Haha. I hear ya, it shouldn't. But for every pro with ice water running through their veins, there are mental midgets. Teams don't have sports psychologists on the payroll for nothing. This decision doesn't positively affect Nolasco in any way. Guy preps for a start, a potential series close out at home, and gets yanked. Now he doesn't get a start in this series. Look at Ryu last night, got his feet wet and shat the bed, was lucky to get the run support he got. You let Nolasco start, if he pitches a gem, now he has confidence. Mattingly setting himself up for disaster in the next series. Originally Posted by tatddy
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10-07-13 06:48 PM #91
it actually hows how much confidence he has in his over all staff as whole to be honest...you can look at it that way..and that is probably how he is selling it to his guys.
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10-07-13 06:48 PM #92
Exactly my thoughts, but to each his own. Originally Posted by BigDofBA
The only thing I know for sure is I hope it backfires gloriously.
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10-07-13 06:49 PM #93
Originally Posted by No coincidences
Why do you hope it backfires? Bet on Atlanta or just hate the Dodgers?
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10-07-13 06:49 PM #94
The guy is 100% lump as a manager his team won in spite of him. Hard to lose when you find the cuban Ted Williams and 2 cy youngs
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10-07-13 06:50 PM #95
I hate Mattingly. Always have. Originally Posted by t-wizzle
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10-07-13 06:50 PM #96
Because you are asking Kershaw to do something he has never done before so he may not be his usual self. Whereas if Mattingly saves him for Game 5 (as he SHOULD), you basically know what to expect of him and the game being in Atlanta doesn't matter. This move makes ZERO sense for a team that is leading the series and nobody can convince me otherwise.
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10-07-13 06:50 PM #97
Kershaw doesn't need to go the distance, nor throw a lot of pitches. Just needs to get a few good innings in to keep the Braves from jumping out to a big lead giving the Dodgers a chance to build a cushion. If Dodgers come out a get a nice lead. They can pull him early. If he gets bombed,They can pull him. If its a tight game, then it would probably be best to have your best pitching anyway in a short series. They have plenty of weapons in the wing to patch together a pitching performance either way.
If they win. There will be enough time for him to rest for next series. Plus, Kershaw is young. Kids rebound quicker than the 30 - 40 year olds. I see nothing wrong with this.
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10-07-13 06:51 PM #98
they have a Cy Young award winnner, Greinke to start Game 1 of the next series if they close out tonight!
this is the perfect move.
you step on the oppositions throat in the post season when u have the chance, not give them a chance to level the playing field. throwing Kershaw tonight is stepping on their throats. he fkn struck out 12 batters in Game 1 and didn't have anywhere near his best stuff.
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10-07-13 06:52 PM #99
Mattingly isn't a good manager, he just has a lot of talent. Originally Posted by No coincidences
As a Cardinals fan, I love it that they're pitching Kershaw again because if the Cards get by Pitt, they won't see Kershaw in game 1.
LA probably wins regardless of who pitches but if somehow Kershaw doesn't have it (BECAUSE HE IS ON 3 DAYS REST AFTER THROWING 123 PITCHES) and Atlanta wins, the Dodgers are going back to Atlanta for a deciding game after just getting beat at home with their ace.
It's just not something you do when you are the better team, already a heavy favorite, at home, and leading the series for god's sake.
I'll put it this way, for Atlanta to win this series they're going to have to beat Kershaw at least once. Agree?
Don't you think you're giving them a better chance by pitching him on three days rest as opposed to normal rest?
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10-07-13 06:54 PM #100
FTR, I could totally see it if they were down 2-1 -- regardless of who was pitching for ATL. Originally Posted by BigDofBA
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10-07-13 06:54 PM #101
why risk even facing elimination when you can have the odds considerable in your favor of closing a series out tonight? isn't that the point of this all? Originally Posted by LT Profits
to advance? yes.
not worry about 2 steps ahead. you gotta worry about one game at a time on post season. this gives them best opporutinity to advance.
not buying the "he wont be comfortable on three days rest" the kid is a young stud who is a fkn horse. not like he has 4390534095 innings already on his arm
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10-07-13 06:55 PM #102
lol no, Originally Posted by BigDofBA
you'll just see Grienke. (referring to your game 1 comment)
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10-07-13 06:55 PM #103
124 pitches, guys
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10-07-13 06:56 PM #104
LT, No coin, and BigD view using Kershaw as a safety valve.
Hey btw guys can you tell me what the Dodgers record was this year in Kershaw's starts?
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10-07-13 06:58 PM #105
Look at the obvious, like Mattingly did. Nolasco was shelled in September to the tune of 6.66 1.52 .300.
Garcia, meanwhile, posted 1.65 1.02 2.35 in September-- against all reason. I faded him once and paid for it. Garcia shouldn't have those numbers... his FIP and BABIP are scream correction any pitch now... and he wasn't facing All-Star lineups ...
But the wily old vet Freddy has got his mojo working, wherever it comes from.
Whereas Nolasco has been getting hit like a red-headed stepchild. Do the Dodgers want to be down 8 to 2 in the 7th inning and then pack up for a flight to Atlanta and hear that godawful tomahawk chop chant again with head case Greinke on the mound?
Hell no! Good move Mattingly. Seize the day.
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