[OldBill]

Donald Trump might already be ineligible to serve as president of the United States in the future. That’s true even without an impeachment process that ends with a formal ban from future public office.


The relevant constitutional provision is Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, enacted in the aftermath of the Civil War and mentioned in the article of impeachment proposed before the House today. The provision bars a person from holding any office “under the United States” if the person has sworn an oath of allegiance to the Constitution and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against the government or “given aid to the enemies” of the U.S.


Does this provision to apply to Trump? The first part certainly does: Trump took an oath to uphold the Constitution when he became president.




The trickier question is the second part: Has Trump’s conduct amounted to insurrection? You can be sure that, if Trump runs for office in the future, someone will go to court charging that he is ineligible to become president because of his conduct leading up to, on and following Jan. 6, 2021.

The first question is whether the attack on the Capitol was an insurrection against the government of the United States. In vernacular terms, it certainly was. Republicans like Mitt Romney and Mitch McConnell called it an insurrection right off the bat. The article of impeachment speaks of insurrection.

As for the uprising part, again, not all the rioters wanted to bring down the government. But at least some clearly intended to interfere temporarily with the congressional process for declaring Joe Biden to be president. At least some wanted to use force to compel Congress to declare Trump, not Biden, the president-elect. That act would have subverted the democratic process. In some sense, at least, it would have amounted to overturning the U.S. government by force.

That question is, assuming the march on the Capitol was an insurrection: Did Trump himself engage in insurrection when he spoke to the crowd and encouraged or incited the march? If a court says yes, Trump isn’t eligible to be president again.


Last week, the ethics watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) said it had written to Trump informing him it intends to seek his "disqualification" if he announces his presidential bid for the 2024 election.
CREW, which uses "aggressive legal action" to hold government officials accountable, asserted Trump should be disqualified from serving public office for his actions during the January 6 siege on the U.S. Capitol, referencing the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

Noah Bookbinder, president of CREW, stated in a press release that the organization's message for the former president is "clear."
"If you seek office despite being disqualified under the Constitution for engaging in insurrection, we and others loyal to the Constitution will defend it," Bookbinder said.

[DwightShrute]

Have you forgotten how many times you've posted the same thing just in the last couple days?

Let's do a quick review.

Disqualification from Public Office Under the 14th Amendment


Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment was originally intended to keep former Confederate officials from gaining power in the reconstructed government following the Civil War. Known as the "disqualification clause," this section was fairly obscure until January 6, 2021, when supporters of then-President Donald Trump stormed the United States Capitol building.
The Fourteenth Amendment is better known for protecting civil rights. It grants citizenship to all people born in the United States, guarantees equal protection of privileges and immunities of citizens, and requires due process of law. But the events of January 6th brought the disqualification clause into the spotlight.


What Is the Disqualification Clause?

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:​
"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof!

Disqualification from Public Office Under the 14th Amendment


Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment was originally intended to keep former Confederate officials from gaining power in the reconstructed government following the Civil War. Known as the "disqualification clause," this section was fairly obscure until January 6, 2021, when supporters of then-President Donald Trump stormed the United States Capitol building.
The Fourteenth Amendment is better known for protecting civil rights. It grants citizenship to all people born in the United States, guarantees equal protection of privileges and immunities of citizens, and requires due process of law. But the events of January 6th brought the disqualification clause into the spotlight.


What Is the Disqualification Clause?

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:​
"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof!

Donald Trump’s incitement of violence with the intention of overthrowing the 2020 election on Jan. 6, 2021, prevents him from running for office again.
The 14th Amendment, Article 3 of the United States Constitution, offers this guarantee:

No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, […] to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

This clear and irrefutable clause affects not only Trump but Ted Cruz, Josh Hawlings, Mo Brooks, and others. At the very least, they “aided and abetted” the insurrectionists. But, more importantly, they likely committed acts of sedition.

Donald Trump’s incitement of violence with the intention of overthrowing the 2020 election on Jan. 6, 2021, prevents him from running for office again.
The 14th Amendment, Article 3 of the United States Constitution, offers this guarantee:

No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, […] to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

This clear and irrefutable clause affects not only Trump but Ted Cruz, Josh Hawlings, Mo Brooks, and others. At the very least, they “aided and abetted” the insurrectionists. But, more importantly, they likely committed acts of sedition.

Now you are making a brand new thread with the same post? Do you believe that repeating nonsense several times will magically make it true? Regardless whether you believe your nonsense or not, this is the kind of stuff why they axed the political forum in the first place. Multiple posts and threads of the same thing polluting the forum. There are at least 3 or 4 threads you could have posted that in, and you did already, that are designated to Trump and are frequented by those interested in political discussion.

You either are losing your mind or have no respect for the forum.

[OldBill]

YOU started it pal saying i made this up sorry your ignoring facts written long ago way before you were BORN it's why hillary was declassifed also but she stepped down letting another democrat win or whatever when trying to run against trump she lost the electoral votes but slammed the popular vote by millions over drumpf yes thats his real name german

[DwightShrute]

YOU started it pal saying i made this up sorry your ignoring facts written long ago way before you were BORN it's why hillary was declassifed also but she stepped down letting another democrat win or whatever when trying to run against trump she lost the electoral votes but slammed the popular vote by millions over drumpf yes thats his real name german

Hillary wasn't president and she had no business keeping classified documents on a secret server she had and when the FBI sent her a subpoena for those emails, she deleted 33,000 of them, bleach bitted the hard drive and had her staff smash all her devices with hammers. That actually happened. Then the AG Lynch told the FBI to change it from an 'investigation' to a 'matter'! That actually happened. Also she never stepped down. Then Crooked bought a phony Russian dossier to deflect away from her email crimes and Obama and the FBI forged documents regarding that dossier to the fisa court in order to get a warrant to spy on Trump's campaign. That actually all happened.

Also, there was no insurrection on J6 and asking supporters to peacefully march to the capitol isn't inciting violence. This is a lie you choose to believe. No reasonable person thinks there was an insurrection. Only activists and intellectually dishonest people think there was. The head of the Capitol police said there were FBI operatives in the crowd on J6, the pipe bomber was never caught and Pelosi refused thousands of National Guards to protect the Capitol that day. Not a peep from people like you about any of that. Changing the meaning of 'peacefully marching' to 'inciting violence', well that seems reasonable somehow. LOL. No one is justifying those who rioted that day, or any other day, but ignoring all those other things while repeating the insurrection lie is silly. You know like repeating the same lies from teh same people who brought you Russian collusion and so many more.

Lastly, why do you post the same exact post, or almost the same, several times in a 48 hour period and then make a brand new thread with the same post?

Don't believe your eyes and ears, you didn't make it up but you just keep on repeating the lies you are told are true. LOL.

[jt315]

14th Amendment .Lol !

They are terrified of Trump .

Nothing says inciting an insurrection more by telling people to march peacefully to the Capitol and make your voices heard .

[slewfan]

Here's some reality for ya'..

House of cards[/COLOR] The blueprint is set to end Biden's shaky reign in the White House

[OldBill]

yeah right QUOTE " GO FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY GET IT BACK FIGHT FIGHT I will walk with you " he wanted violence they provided it using flag poles and heavy shields to destroy windows doors it was trump being a dicataor not presdent h wanted biden to lose after he won now yall trmpsters can go back t being dumb stupid and keep sending trump money

[Kermit]

Quick reminder for all of you Lefties out there.

Cities were not boarded up prior to the election to protect the businesses from Trump supporters.

[jt315]

yeah right QUOTE " GO FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY GET IT BACK FIGHT FIGHT I will walk with you " he wanted violence they provided it using flag poles and heavy shields to destroy windows doors it was trump being a dicataor not presdent h wanted biden to lose after he won now yall trmpsters can go back t being dumb stupid and keep sending trump money

^^^^^
he wanted violence they provided it using flag poles and heavy shields to destroy windows doors

LOLOL !

The preferred weapons of choice by insurrectionists .


But please continue to tell us Trump supporters to get back to being dumb .

[OldBill]

In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular narrative has emerged:a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.

Those weapons brought violence and chaos to the Capitol. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died one day after two rioters allegedly sprayed him and other officers with what prosecutors describe as an "unknown chemical substance."


Four other people in the crowd died in the insurrection, and more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks.

Federal court records, included in NPR's database of more than 300 criminal cases, allege that at least three dozen people who took part in the riot used or possessed some kind of weapon that day.

[Greget]

I guess 300+ J6ers are in prison now because they were "peaceful". You forget we have the video and photo evidence.

yaa looks peaceful..
Fascism is never peaceful

[DwightShrute]

In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular narrative has emerged:a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.

Those weapons brought violence and chaos to the Capitol. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died one day after two rioters allegedly sprayed him and other officers with what prosecutors describe as an "unknown chemical substance."


Four other people in the crowd died in the insurrection, and more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks.

Federal court records, included in NPR's database of more than 300 criminal cases, allege that at least three dozen people who took part in the riot used or possessed some kind of weapon that day.

Everything you posted is not what happened including the only person to die on J6 was an unarmed women who was shot in the neck by a Capitol cop. How many FBI agents were there in the crowd? Why did Pelosi refuse thousands of National Guards? I think you know.

Oh and a few months before ay Lafayette Park, BLM rioters injured over 200 cops when they rioted and the secret service had to take the president into a bunker because of the violence. No commission formed. No Hearings. Nothing.

[DwightShrute]

I guess 300+ J6ers are in prison now because they were "peaceful". You forget we have the video and photo evidence.

yaa looks peaceful..
Fascism is never peaceful

nobody said those that rioted were peaceful. We have eyes. Now go back a few months before J6 where the MSM were actually telling their viewers that these were mostly peaceful protests while building were literally on fire in the background. They think a lot of you are really dumb.

You need to ask someone to explain what fascism means. You definitely don't understand.

[DwightShrute]

yeah right QUOTE " GO FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY GET IT BACK FIGHT FIGHT I will walk with you " he wanted violence they provided it using flag poles and heavy shields to destroy windows doors it was trump being a dicataor not presdent h wanted biden to lose after he won now yall trmpsters can go back t being dumb stupid and keep sending trump money

could you be any more intellectually dishonest?

[Greget]

nobody said those that rioted were peaceful. We have eyes. Now go back a few months before J6 where the MSM were actually telling their viewers that these were mostly peaceful protests while building were literally on fire in the background. They think a lot of you are really dumb.

You need to ask someone to explain what fascism means. You definitely don't understand.

You're own cult leader said they were "loving and great people"
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...-people-499165

And yes, MAGA is a fascist movement. That's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of most of academia. So just because you need me to explain it, doesn't make it untrue. It just makes you ignorant, but what should I expect from a 50 year old single pedophile on the run living in a hut on the beach in a third world nation?

[Kermit]

You're own cult leader said they were "loving and great people"
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...-people-499165

And yes, MAGA is a fascist movement. That's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of most of academia. So just because you need me to explain it, doesn't make it untrue. It just makes you ignorant, but what should I expect from a 50 year old single pedophile on the run living in a hut on the beach in a third world nation?

I don't think that you know what a fascist actually is.

You goofs throw terms like water balloons and have no idea what they mean.

[Greget]

I don't think that you know what a fascist actually is.

You goofs throw terms like water balloons and have no idea what they mean.

Sure, let's play...
Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian political ideology that is characterized by dictatorial power, strong nationalism, forcible suppression of opposition, and often a strong focus on ethnicity and race. Economic self-sufficiency, militarism, and an emphasis on societal regeneration are often parts of the doctrine. Notable historical examples of fascism include Benito Mussolini's regime in Italy and Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party in Germany. However, Trump's fascism is NOT the fascism of 1938.

The MAGA movement, led by former President Donald Trump, exhibits characteristics that align it with the principles of fascism, an extreme-right, authoritarian political ideology.

Ultra-nationalism: MAGA, an acronym for "Make America Great Again," symbolizes an intense form of nationalism. The slogan encapsulates a narrative of national decline and a promise to restore the nation to its former glory, a common theme in fascist movements.

Populism and Elitism: The MAGA movement thrives on populist rhetoric, presenting itself as the voice of the 'common people' against a perceived corrupt or detached elite. Historically, fascist movements have used similar populist tactics to gain mass appeal.

Authoritarianism: Under Trump's leadership, the MAGA movement demonstrated a propensity for authoritarianism. Trump often criticized the media, dismissed fact-checks as "fake news," and questioned the legitimacy of democratic institutions, echoing the authoritarian tactics that are hallmarks of fascism. January 6 is one example.

Political Violence: Fascist movements often resort to violence or endorse it to achieve political objectives. This was dramatically exhibited when supporters of the MAGA movement stormed the U.S Capitol on January 6, 2021, in an attempt to overturn the democratic election results.

Cult of Personality: The MAGA movement heavily revolves around the personality of Donald Trump, resembling the 'cult of personality' often observed in fascist movements, where the leader is portrayed as a heroic figure and symbol of the nation.By these measures, one could argue that the MAGA movement under Donald Trump exhibits clear characteristics of a fascist movement.


The water balloon is filled with kkum, and it landed on your face, don't eat it all Kumit.

[Kermit]

Sure, let's play...
Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian political ideology that is characterized by dictatorial power, strong nationalism, forcible suppression of opposition, and often a strong focus on ethnicity and race. Economic self-sufficiency, militarism, and an emphasis on societal regeneration are often parts of the doctrine. Notable historical examples of fascism include Benito Mussolini's regime in Italy and Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party in Germany. However, Trump's fascism is NOT the fascism of 1938.

The MAGA movement, led by former President Donald Trump, exhibits characteristics that align it with the principles of fascism, an extreme-right, authoritarian political ideology.

Ultra-nationalism: MAGA, an acronym for "Make America Great Again," symbolizes an intense form of nationalism. The slogan encapsulates a narrative of national decline and a promise to restore the nation to its former glory, a common theme in fascist movements.

Populism and Elitism: The MAGA movement thrives on populist rhetoric, presenting itself as the voice of the 'common people' against a perceived corrupt or detached elite. Historically, fascist movements have used similar populist tactics to gain mass appeal.

Authoritarianism: Under Trump's leadership, the MAGA movement demonstrated a propensity for authoritarianism. Trump often criticized the media, dismissed fact-checks as "fake news," and questioned the legitimacy of democratic institutions, echoing the authoritarian tactics that are hallmarks of fascism. January 6 is one example.

Political Violence: Fascist movements often resort to violence or endorse it to achieve political objectives. This was dramatically exhibited when supporters of the MAGA movement stormed the U.S Capitol on January 6, 2021, in an attempt to overturn the democratic election results.

Cult of Personality: The MAGA movement heavily revolves around the personality of Donald Trump, resembling the 'cult of personality' often observed in fascist movements, where the leader is portrayed as a heroic figure and symbol of the nation.By these measures, one could argue that the MAGA movement under Donald Trump exhibits clear characteristics of a fascist movement.


The water balloon is filled with kkum, and it landed on your face, don't eat it all Kumit.

Political violence?

Don't you remember how you guys behaved on inauguration day, 2017? Are you that fukking ignorant? Or are you just stupid and naive? Probably all 3.

All you clowns do is resort to violence when you don't get your way, then cry about fascism and Nazis that don't even exist.

The truth is that the overwhelmingly large amount of violence and murder comes from people that follow Pied Pipers that play Leftist tunes.

[Kermit]

How many Conservatives have set shit on fire and attacked & injured people because some dipshit Leftist was giving a speech at some Liberal college?

I bet none of you clowns that voted for Biden admit in public that you did. I've seen plenty of your kind in my town. You all had your Biden signs up in your yards and thought that you did the country a favor. Instead, you set the world on fire by electing the most corrupt asshole in history.

I bet Gaygurt is so embarrassed by how shitty the country is that he tells everyone that he voted for Trump.

[Kermit]

Gaygurt's America

This is video of the dude that shot people off his moped in NYC the other day. Who tf shoots an 87 year old man in the back? pic.twitter.com/ex0w8Ah9n7

— Hodgetwins (@hodgetwins) July 9, 2023

Looks like they caught the scooter shooter. Too bad they won't publicly hang him. https://t.co/Y3cktKFTwy

— Watson Shockley Haber (@ShockleyWatson) July 11, 2023

[DwightShrute]

Gaygurt's America

This is video of the dude that shot people off his moped in NYC the other day. Who tf shoots an 87 year old man in the back? pic.twitter.com/ex0w8Ah9n7

— Hodgetwins (@hodgetwins) July 9, 2023

Looks like they caught the scooter shooter. Too bad they won't publicly hang him. https://t.co/Y3cktKFTwy

— Watson Shockley Haber (@ShockleyWatson) July 11, 2023

I sure hope he doesn’t go to prison for the rest of his life and I sure hope his cell mate isn’t some sex craved 7 foot pervert with a uncontrollable urge for anus.

[Greget]

Political violence?

Don't you remember how you guys behaved on inauguration day, 2017? Are you that fukking ignorant? Or are you just stupid and naive? Probably all 3.

All you clowns do is resort to violence when you don't get your way, then cry about fascism and Nazis that don't even exist.

The truth is that the overwhelmingly large amount of violence and murder comes from people that follow Pied Pipers that play Leftist tunes.

You guys? I provided multiple examples of how MAGA is a fascist movement, you couldn't refute a single point except to make up some nonsense about the "Left". Ill take that as your surrender. Your movement is a domestic terrorist movement that belongs in prison, which is where many of you are going for good reason. Can't wait until you get the knock on your door.

[DwightShrute]

You guys? I provided multiple examples of how MAGA is a fascist movement, you couldn't refute a single point except to make up some nonsense about the "Left". Ill take that as your surrender. Your movement is a domestic terrorist movement that belongs in prison, which is where many of you are going for good reason. Can't wait until you get the knock on your door.

Actually no you haven’t proved no such thing. You bought into the old false narrative that fascism is a far right thing. It’s not.

who does the following remind you most of?

Those who speak out against fascist regimes are imprisoned, killed, or punished in some other way. Fascism usually prohibits many other humans rights, including the right to freedom of religion, the right to vote, and the freedom of the press.

[OldBill]

[DwightShrute]

yeah right QUOTE " GO FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY GET IT BACK FIGHT FIGHT I will walk with you " he wanted violence they provided it using flag poles and heavy shields to destroy windows doors it was trump being a dicataor not presdent h wanted biden to lose after he won now yall trmpsters can go back t being dumb stupid and keep sending trump money

The most important video of 2020
pic.twitter.com/3nMNlxl5Q8

— E (@ElijahSchaffer) August 31, 2020

[ByeShea]

yeah right QUOTE " GO FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY GET IT BACK FIGHT FIGHT I will walk with you " he wanted violence they provided it using flag poles and heavy shields to destroy windows doors it was trump being a dicataor not presdent h wanted biden to lose after he won now yall trmpsters can go back t being dumb stupid and keep sending trump money

You cool with this?

NEW Report: FBI worked with Ukrainian intelligence to pressure and direct Big Tech to censor Americans and US journalists expressing dissent to Biden's war policy in Ukraine.

You send your money to Ukraine, then they work with the FBI to censor you:����https://t.co/eZVa1dhNpq

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) July 11, 2023

[ByeShea]

You guys? I provided multiple examples of how MAGA is a fascist movement, you couldn't refute a single point except to make up some nonsense about the "Left". I’ll take that as your surrender. Your movement is a domestic terrorist movement that belongs in prison, which is where many of you are going for good reason. Can't wait until you get the knock on your door.

1st rule of MAGA is decentralized power … so right there your argument that ‘MAGA = fascism’ is a complete non-starter, that is, unless you’re yelling in a hive-minded echo chamber.

But having the FBI (palace guard) coerce huge companies to do the regime’s bidding? Direct fascism.

[Hareeba!]

The Constitution's Disqualification Clause's text, history, and precedents make clear that disqualification does not require a prior criminal conviction.

Even if Trump isn't convicted of a crime, he is disqualified from holding office again.
https://fordhamdemocracyproject.com/...cation-clause/

And let's not forget that he was impeached for "incitement of insurrection" by the US Congress