Matchbook update

[Hareeba!]

So I guess what you are saying is they ONLY trade in game at Betfair? And the absolutely incredible volume at Matchbook ALL dries up as soon as the first pitch is thrown?

Come on Hareeba. Makes no sense at all. If these players were so smart they would realize what an incredible opportunity in-game wagering is. But Matchbook has no demand.

Just like when Matchbook went completely marketless for the NCAA basketball tournament - you dont trade it - so who cares.

What precisely makes no sense at all?

As I've repeatedly said MB offers better odds and more liquidity pre-game than Betfair. That's all and it's an undeniable fact. Just look for yourself any day you like.

I accept what you say about live wagering. BF has always attracted big business on that in all sports. But that remains irrelevant to the issue of you LOLing at my statement a few days ago which is all I am arguing about.

[todd73nj]

What precisely makes no sense at all? As I've repeatedly said MB offers better odds and more liquidity pre-game than Betfair. That's all and it's an undeniable fact. Just look for yourself any day you like. I accept what you say about live wagering. BF has always attracted big business on that in all sports. But that remains irrelevant to the issue of you LOLing at my statement a few days ago which is all I am arguing about.

5.8 Miilion traded today - on the 4th round of The British Open - No wait - It was the John Deer Classic - some guy that looked like Justin Timberlake vs Steve "The only non-US event I play is the British Open" Stricker. Absolutely no Euro interest at all. No Rory, No Els, No McDowell...


And you honestly expect anyone to believe that Matchbook - that was in huge amounts of debt - that had to sell the business - that doesnt publicize their volume - trades more pre game on US sports than Betfair? more liquidity? Better prices.

If you watch some of the MMer offers on MLB at MB - they dont disappear. They just sit there.

Maybe your good buddies will publicize their volume next to the contract. Doubt it. But hey, you have some pull, dont you?

[Hareeba!]

5.8 Miilion traded today - on the 4th round of The British Open - No wait - It was the John Deer Classic - some guy that looked like Justin Timberlake vs Steve "The only non-US event I play is the British Open" Stricker. Absolutely no Euro interest at all. No Rory, No Els, No McDowell...


And you honestly expect anyone to believe that Matchbook - that was in huge amounts of debt - that had to sell the business - that doesnt publicize their volume - trades more pre game on US sports than Betfair? more liquidity? Better prices.

If you watch some of the MMer offers on MLB at MB - they dont disappear. They just sit there.

Maybe your good buddies will publicize their volume next to the contract. Doubt it. But hey, you have some pull, dont you?

I don't know why you keep on about how much Betfair trades overall or on other sports. I've always said if I could have only one book it would be BF so you are wasting your breath on that.

YES, most definitely and anyone who bets pre game on US sports and compares MB and BF will no doubt back me all the way on that. I can get my bets on at MB at better odds and the volume I want 99% more often than at BF.

Just go and take a look for yourself tomorrow. BF has very light volumes. If you think MB's are light I don't know what you'd call BF's.

And as for the money moving .. well I'm the living proof. I post offers and get them matched better than anywhere else I can play including Pinnacle.

[Stacocakes]

Anyone using Matchbook for live baseball? Any liquidity?I checked a couple times this past week during the games and saw no volume

[wtf]

utterly absurd!

you obviously haven't a clue what you're talking about

if you have ever looked at the markets and odds available at MB and Betfair you'd find that arbing is simply impossible both odds and liquidity wise

you are wrong

betdaq posts up fake odds and liquidity to lure in real players to do dump off

i have been to the dublin offices of betdaq , have you? do you know how they operate?

[Hareeba!]

you are wrong

betdaq posts up fake odds and liquidity to lure in real players to do dump off

i have been to the dublin offices of betdaq , have you? do you know how they operate?

I was referring specifically to the suggestion of MB arbing off at BF pre-game on US sports.

Is your post at all relevant to that ?

[todd73nj]

I don't know why you keep on about how much Betfair trades overall or on other sports. I've always said if I could have only one book it would be BF so you are wasting your breath on that.

YES, most definitely and anyone who bets pre game on US sports and compares MB and BF will no doubt back me all the way on that. I can get my bets on at MB at better odds and the volume I want 99% more often than at BF.

Just go and take a look for yourself tomorrow. BF has very light volumes. If you think MB's are light I don't know what you'd call BF's.

And as for the money moving .. well I'm the living proof. I post offers and get them matched better than anywhere else I can play including Pinnacle.

Other sports? MB is dead in all sports.

They dont post volume because they dont do any volume.

Just took a look right now..

Betfair has traded about 15k on the HR Derby. MB doesnt even have a market. The highlight of the All Star gameis the HR Derby.

Tradesports use to have a great HR Derby volume.

Anyone using Matchbook for live baseball? Any liquidity?I checked a couple times this past week during the games and saw no volume

NONE - NADA - NOTHING. Whatever you prefer. lol

[Hareeba!]

Other sports? MB is dead in all sports.

They dont post volume because they dont do any volume.

Just took a look right now..

Betfair has traded about 15k on the HR Derby. MB doesnt even have a market. The highlight of the All Star gameis the HR Derby.

Once again your difficulty with comprehension has you all knotted up.

I have consistently said that that MB beats BF for major US sports - and that's all. Never have I claimed that they match BF on anything else, so you are just confirming what I've long being saying. Congrats on getting something right for a change.

Yesterday I said to do a comparison today, forgetting that MLB is in recess. But when it starts up again have a look at what you can get in terms of odds and volume at BF compared to MB and you will see that I am 100% correct.

And that absurd notion that MB is arbing it's action at BF can be assigned to where it belonged in the first place.

[Monte]

Stop polluting this thread with your nonsense, go into a chat room if you want to babble for pages and pages about the same ******* thing.
Where are mods when you need them anyway?!?
Soon the MB guy might be too bored to come in here and talk, like so many others, **** you seriously.

[Hareeba!]

Stop polluting this thread with your nonsense, go into a chat room if you want to babble for pages and pages about the same ******* thing.
Where are mods when you need them anyway?!?
Soon the MB guy might be too bored to come in here and talk, like so many others, **** you seriously.

So, I'm not allowed to respond to comments when people attack me ?

Have a look back to the post which started this current debate re: BF v MB odds and liquidity for pre-game US sports and show me where the "babble" is.

However I expect you'll simply do what several others cowards in this forum do and just ignore that challenge in favour of posting further crap about me.

[Monte]

What makes you think i ment you, big ego it seems.

[Hareeba!]

What makes you think i ment you, big ego it seems.

Simply that mine was the last post before yours

Apologies if I am wrong but I'm so used to people on here telling me I'm posting crap but when called on to point out precisely what they disagree with so that we can have a sensible debate about it they simply vanish from the thread and bob up elsewhere and repeat the same.

[todd73nj]

Once again your difficulty with comprehension has you all knotted up.

I have consistently said that that MB beats BF for major US sports - and that's all. Never have I claimed that they match BF on anything else, so you are just confirming what I've long being saying. Congrats on getting something right for a change.

Yesterday I said to do a comparison today, forgetting that MLB is in recess. But when it starts up again have a look at what you can get in terms of odds and volume at BF compared to MB and you will see that I am 100% correct.

And that absurd notion that MB is arbing it's action at BF can be assigned to where it belonged in the first place.

Your argument may have been legit when MB allowed US customers - but now that they are gone your argument makes no sense. No only for the reason of MB being a failing book when it was sold - but now MB has a huge percentage less customers than it did. And it has the same customers that any other book that doesnt allow US customers have.

If there is so much interest in game to do millions of dollars on a baseball of basketball game, you really can sit there and say there is no interest pre game?

Get your reliable contacts to show volume at MB.

[Hareeba!]

Your argument may have been legit when MB allowed US customers - but now that they are gone your argument makes no sense. No only for the reason of MB being a failing book when it was sold - but now MB has a huge percentage less customers than it did. And it has the same customers that any other book that doesnt allow US customers have.

If there is so much interest in game to do millions of dollars on a baseball of basketball game, you really can sit there and say there is no interest pre game?

Get your reliable contacts to show volume at MB.

Your response is full of irrelevancies.

FACT: You can get more on and at better odds pre-game at MB than you can at BF for major US sports almost every game every day.

That is the only relevant issue in this discussion.

Why do you continue to bring up any and everything else except address that fact which you started this argument by posting a LOL at it ?

[blix177]

Your response is full of irrelevancies.

FACT: You can get more on and at better odds pre-game at MB than you can at BF for major US sports almost every game every day.

That is the only relevant issue in this discussion.

Why do you continue to bring up any and everything else except address that fact which you started this argument by posting a LOL at it ?

In the context or what you wrote, what is BF?

[Hareeba!]

In the context or what you wrote, what is BF?

Betfair

[todd73nj]

Your response is full of irrelevancies.

FACT: You can get more on and at better odds pre-game at MB than you can at BF for major US sports almost every game every day.

That is the only relevant issue in this discussion.

Why do you continue to bring up any and everything else except address that fact which you started this argument by posting a LOL at it ?

Correct me if Im wrong - but you said there is more pregame VOLUME.

The price was better at BF tonight - but there was significantly more available on ONE side at MB for the All Star game.

But the block at MB sat there, and sat there while Betfair traded 1000s. But you have no way to prove your statements, because MB is too dead to post their Volume. You can actually see the volume increase at BF. Just as you can/could at ALL other exchanges.

But MB continues to be cryptic. In everything they do.

[Hareeba!]

Correct me if Im wrong - but you said there is more pregame VOLUME.

The price was better at BF tonight - but there was significantly more available on ONE side at MB for the All Star game.

But the block at MB sat there, and sat there while Betfair traded 1000s. But you have no way to prove your statements, because MB is too dead to post their Volume. You can actually see the volume increase at BF. Just as you can/could at ALL other exchanges.

But MB continues to be cryptic. In everything they do.

I have no idea about the all stars game. I don't even look at that.

My statements in regard to this issue all relate to regular games. Never mind if MB don't post their volumes. The amounts on offer are greater and at better odds than BFs. If they weren't my money would be going down at BF, rather than 95% of it at MB.

Look you just have NFI because you don't use either of them. If you really want the truth and aren't prepared to believe me just take a look any day once the regular MLB games start up again.

[QQPALLADIUM]

I have no idea about the all stars game. I don't even look at that.

My statements in regard to this issue all relate to regular games. Never mind if MB don't post their volumes. The amounts on offer are greater and at better odds than BFs. If they weren't my money would be going down at BF, rather than 95% of it at MB.

Look you just have NFI because you don't use either of them. If you really want the truth and aren't prepared to believe me just take a look any day once the regular MLB games start up again.

10 million on bf for the open championship...100 bucks up at +780 for rory mcilroy...yeah the amounts on offer are greater than bfs....

[Hareeba!]

10 million on bf for the open championship...100 bucks up at +780 for rory mcilroy...yeah the amounts on offer are greater than bfs....

Is there anybody here capable of reading English ?

[todd73nj]

10 million on bf for the open championship...100 bucks up at +780 for rory mcilroy...yeah the amounts on offer are greater than bfs....

10 million? If you look at the other contracts on the British you will easily find another 10 million between top 5, top 10, Top USA, Top World, Etc.

[todd73nj]

I have no idea about the all stars game. I don't even look at that.

My statements in regard to this issue all relate to regular games. Never mind if MB don't post their volumes. The amounts on offer are greater and at better odds than BFs. If they weren't my money would be going down at BF, rather than 95% of it at MB.

Look you just have NFI because you don't use either of them. If you really want the truth and aren't prepared to believe me just take a look any day once the regular MLB games start up again.

Well you have no way to show the volume or prove your statement.

And what about when NCAA had nothing posted? And NHL? And the NBA?

MB has always been known for baseball. But I am looking very forward to seeing the Betfair baseball volume. Because when you figure out the profit for the exchange (based on MB commissions) - Youll realize the old owners would have never sold this business had they been doing the volume.

[Cookie Monster]

I do not understand so much noise. I am able to use matchbook, and I see it about the same volume and prices as last year. They are not going downhill, but not picking up steam either.

As for the value of having matchbook, for me it is a MUST. Most often on MLB moneylines and another big american sports markets (NFL, NBA sides) they have the best price available. Matchbook is worthless for smaller markets (NCAA totals and MLs, soccer, tennis, golf, etc).

Betfair is often better even in large markets if you are betting huge amounts, but the higher commission makes result in a worse price for "normal" bets (say, up to 3k).

So, in short, Matchbook is a very good weapon in the hands of a sharp. It is not intended to be the only book for anyone. And I suppose that most people would agree on these statements.

[Hareeba!]

Well you have no way to show the volume or prove your statement.

And what about when NCAA had nothing posted? And NHL? And the NBA?

MB has always been known for baseball. But I am looking very forward to seeing the Betfair baseball volume. Because when you figure out the profit for the exchange (based on MB commissions) - Youll realize the old owners would have never sold this business had they been doing the volume.

You really don't listen or are totally incapable of comprehension.

I've already told you I care nothing for NCAA and I don't think that qualifies as major US pro sport which is all I've been talking about.

The simple fact for the umpteenth time is I DO play at both Betfair and Matchbook on MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL. I check the markets every time. I hardly ever find a bet or get matched at Betfair and almost always do at Matchbook.

Now tell me how that could possibly be the case if Betfair's odds and volume were as good or better. Do you really think I'm too stupid to know which odds are better?

[Hareeba!]

I do not understand so much noise. I am able to use matchbook, and I see it about the same volume and prices as last year. They are not going downhill, but not picking up steam either.

As for the value of having matchbook, for me it is a MUST. Most often on MLB moneylines and another big american sports markets (NFL, NBA sides) they have the best price available. Matchbook is worthless for smaller markets (NCAA totals and MLs, soccer, tennis, golf, etc).

Betfair is often better even in large markets if you are betting huge amounts, but the higher commission makes result in a worse price for "normal" bets (say, up to 3k).

So, in short, Matchbook is a very good weapon in the hands of a sharp. It is not intended to be the only book for anyone. And I suppose that most people would agree on these statements.

So on just major US pro-sports how often do you manage to find that you can get better odds for your stake at Betfair than at Matchbook?

[Monte]

I do not understand so much noise.

Tbh i have never seen a "discussion" about the same thing go on so long, over basically nothing, in any forum.
This must be the Pinnacle of Trolling, maybe they want to break a world record, but iam sure some asians will beat them

[Hareeba!]

Tbh i have never seen a "discussion" about the same thing go on so long, over basically nothing, in any forum.
This must be the Pinnacle of Trolling, maybe they want to break a world record, but iam sure some asians will beat them

Yep mate, it truly is extraordinary but I'm sure that if you were to be silly enough to waste the time and carefully read back through it all you will see that I have been consistently trying to prove one simple point which Todd keeps evading and trying to cloud the issue with irrelevances to cover his own error in telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.

And then it doesn't help when other dimwits respond with even more irrelevant stuff simply because they can't or haven't bothered to read what went before.

[QQPALLADIUM]

Is there anybody here capable of reading English ?

nice rebuttal...you must have been captain of the debate team...

question: is the world getting hotter?

hareeba: well i was talking with matchy the other day....

[Hareeba!]

nice rebuttal...you must have been captain of the debate team...

question: is the world getting hotter?

hareeba: well i was talking with matchy the other day....

idiot!

since when is the British Open golf a major US pro-sport ?

try reading what has been said before coming in with irrelevant nonsense and calling others fools in future

[QQPALLADIUM]

idiot! since when is the British Open golf a major US pro-sport ? try reading what has been said before coming in with irrelevant nonsense and calling others fools in future

great 5 innings lines and alt lines at mb....-144/+121...-310/+248...on nyy/tor

yeah mb is the best...

[Hareeba!]

great 5 innings lines and alt lines at mb....-144/+121...-310/+248...on nyy/tor

yeah mb is the best...

more irrelevant stuff

still awaiting an apology

[jjgold]

Hareeba is the man when it comes to these Euro Books

I am good but the kid might have me by a hair

[QQPALLADIUM]

more irrelevant stuff

still awaiting an apology

i apologize that you don't have money to bet on and are just a shrill

[Hareeba!]

i apologize that you don't have money to bet on and are just a shrill

another gutless wonder!

[QQPALLADIUM]

another gutless wonder!

better that than being you...