[pavyracer]

Australia is an island sir...entirely different story...we have the most dangerous non-warzone to live in in the world IMMEDIATELY to our south with what amounts to a 1500 mile unprotected OPEN BORDER

When states actually wise up and try to enforce immigration laws the federal government actually has the audacity to intervene and stop them (the illegals all vote Democrat naturally) despite the illegals draining welfare, bankrupting cities, unable to speak English and coming from hell on earth whose only contribution to the world's economy is narcotics trafficking in which their entire country turns a blind eye to (along with whatever other crimes the drug gangs feel like committing in fighting for control over the drug corridors)....THAT is why you need guns...our government gave up on any form of logical governance years ago.

Also we've got some blacks that like to kill ppl for good reasons like a pair of Nike's, cell phone, $20 bucks, for fun/passtime, etc.

Australia is a continent not an island.

[King Mayan]

If it was 3 whites killin a black for fun yes ...but since that never happens

[MatI]

do you understand what a hate crime charge is?

Yes

[bettilimbroke999]

Australia is a continent not an island.

Its both genius get a map

[bettilimbroke999]

Dont laugh sir its so rare that when a non-gang member hispanic kills a black in self-defense they say eh that's bout as close as we're gonna get to a white killin a black for no reason...LET'S PROTEST AGAINST THEM CRACKAS!

[King Mayan]

[MatI]

Once a year an intelligent white (60% of population) failure with a superiority complex snaps after realizing his life sucks rooster (James Holmes just kicked out of college that hed been goin to for 6 years tryin to get his doctorate, Adam Lanza just a complete psycho that lived with his mom) and shoots up a place bc hes depressed/psychotic/suicidal...once an hour random blacks (14% of population) get bored and kill somebody

Holmes & Lanza are intelligent whites?

Unreal.

Whitey kills 26 people. But its all good - only happens once a year!

[brettels]

WOW, americans keep getting dumber.

[brettels]

It's ok to take advice from other countries, America. You would be looked at with respect for once.

http://guncontrol.org.au/

[brettels]

Watch these videos http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/sel...-1226701238114

Wankers!!!!

[Optional]

Australia is a continent not an island.

Close. Smallest continent and Largest island.

Australia is an island sir...entirely different story...we have the most dangerous non-warzone to live in in the world IMMEDIATELY to our south with what amounts to a 1500 mile unprotected OPEN BORDER

Thats a good point. Being an island makes it much easier to protect our borders, but illegal immigration is one of the hot button issues in Australia too.

I think part of the reason for that is fear of the unknown and illegal immigrants being an easy target. Only a very small part of them all being criminals and stealing jobs normal Americans/Australians should have is actually true. During the good times illegal workers must have been a major contributor to regular American's quality of life.

Not to sound cliche about it, but things you guys take for granted like child care, gardening and laboring services so cheap no American would ever consider doing them contribute greatly to your overall quality of life, as well as cycling billions more dollars through the economy that otherwise would not be seen by American businesses that do pay tax. In Australia Child care in particular will cost you a huge chunk of that minimum 35k wage the other thread started off talking about. Gardeners are only for the rich mostly.

But now we are in the hard times. Many can't afford the luxuries they did before, even at a cheap price. Suddenly Americans need any work they can get whilst some of the excess illegals head back home where they can live on nothing. And although most still dont want to work for illegal level wages, they resent the illegals who will as it does appear to directly affect their own prospects now.

Anyway, the main point is most fears about illegals is exaggerated. As you are now exaggerating the extent of Mexican immigration and how it relates to the argument here. It's a supply and demand thing in the Mexican case. As many will come as Americans will pay to work. And unless Blacks started coming from South of the border, I dont see many threads here about illegal immigrants committing crimes like this one.

[ByeShea]

Thats a good point. Being an island makes it much easier to protect our borders, but illegal immigration is one of the hot button issues in Australia too.

I think part of the reason for that is fear of the unknown and illegal immigrants being an easy target. Only a very small part of them all being criminals and stealing jobs normal Americans/Australians should have is actually true. During the good times illegal workers must have been a major contributor to regular American's quality of life.

What's Australia's upside to Islamic immigration for the past 10 years again? I'm having trouble seeing any.

[brettels]

What's Australia's upside to Islamic immigration for the past 10 years again? I'm having trouble seeing any.

There is no positive about it, they do not assimilate. Because they don't assimilate, they create there gangs, and murder old grannys at the train station at night. Weak as piss immigrants, they have been nothing but trouble and that's why our immigration laws are changing. I will vote liberal and this is one of the reasons why, illegal immigrants will be turned back.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

What's Australia's upside to Islamic immigration for the past 10 years again? I'm having trouble seeing any.

In an appeal for information from the public, police have released CCTV footage of a man who was shot after being chased by two men in a car park in Rydalmere, Australia.

Just before 1am on May 1, police were called to the car park on Bridge Street where a 52-year-old man had been shot in the back, foot and groin.

The man told police he was returning to his car when he was approached by two men and shot a number of times, before the men fled the scene.

He suffered extensive injuries and spent a considerable period of time in hospital.

The Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad is continuing to investigate the shooting under Strike Force Maloney.

They have released CCTV images of the incident so that members of the public can help to identify the offenders.

One of the men is believed to have recited a prayer in Arabic prior to the shooting

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

i shit out 3 turds this morning that looked just like those guys...also LMFAO at people blaming guns...99.99% of people that own guns dont kill people...yeah lets out law them, im sure all of the criminals will just hand them over, good lord people are stupid, also I feel sorry for people that have never been hunting/shot guns responsibly...you are missing out and are too dumb to realize banning all guns is not only impossible but would infringe on the rights of tens of millions of upstanding citizens...Guess what? I live in a white neighborhood where 90% of households have guns and we dont kill eachother...go figure, yeah it must be the guns...fkn retards

[brettels]

You dumb ass! It's about law changes so idiots like these kids can't get there hands on them! Get a clue moron!

Law changes will prevent morons from getting a gun! Would you people think for once in your lives!

[brettels]

If the guns weren't available to them they wouldn't have shot anyone, and they are not likely to pick the fight because they are that weak in the first place that they had to use a gun in a drive by and run away like cowards. they should never of been able to get access to a gun in the first place!


penetrating retards all of you

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

You dumb ass! It's about law changes so idiots like these kids can't get there hands on them! Get a clue moron!

Law changes will prevent morons from getting a gun! Would you people think for once in your lives!

Have you noticed that people that kill other people tend disregard the law...what kind of law are you going to make to stop black folks or anyone for that matter from getting a gun...you know these people killing each other are not applying for permits, what kind of law are you purposing?

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

If the guns weren't available to them they wouldn't have shot anyone, and they are not likely to pick the fight because they are that weak in the first place that they had to use a gun in a drive by and run away like cowards. they should never of been able to get access to a gun in the first place!


penetrating retards all of you

see you are living in a fairy tale, are you hoping guns will just disappear? you must be trolling because your argument is ridiculous...peace out

[bettilimbroke999]

You dumb ass! It's about law changes so idiots like these kids can't get there hands on them! Get a clue moron!

Law changes will prevent morons from getting a gun! Would you people think for once in your lives!

We got and spics living like Johnny Ringo by the millions in this country and millions more crossing the border every year....first-degree murder just cause they're bored and you expect them to follow the law and just turn in their guns....give me a fukin break dude

Civilians have over 310 millions guns in the US and you expect the psycho criminals to just hand over millions of them (that they probably got illegally) and give up crime cause of a new gun control law? ROFLMAO

[brettels]

see you are living in a fairy tale, are you hoping guns will just disappear? you must be trolling because your argument is ridiculous...peace out

Peace out? you running from your own rediculous arguments? I think so! You're spinning what I'm saying and look foolish.

[brettels]

We got niggers and spics living like Johnny Ringo by the millions in this country and millions more crossing the border every year....first-degree murder just cause they're bored and you expect them to follow the law and just turn in their guns....give me a fukin break dude

Civilians have over 310 millions guns in the US and you expect the psycho criminals to just hand over millions of them (that they probably got illegally) and give up crime cause of a new gun control law? ROFLMAO

If they don't hand them in, houses will be raided and prison will be the penalty if they don't have a license for the weapon under a new law.

[jjgold]

Gun liberals have ruined the USA

Ban them and have 10 year prison sentences for anyone having one

[bettilimbroke999]

If they don't hand them in, houses will be raided and prison will be the penalty if they don't have a license for the weapon under a new law.

We're already stackin em 3 high to fit in the numerous prisons we currently have....other than making the privately run prison companies absolutely filthy rich I dont see gun control laws working AT ALL in the US and I have serious doubts whether they work well ANYWHERE bc criminals are criminals, if they were so concerned with following the laws they wouldnt be shooting joggers for fun in the first place

These nigs are facin life without parole...if that didnt stop em from murdering ppl for kicks I highly doubt a 10-year sentence for gun possession would have

Only ones who are going to follow a law like that are the law-abiding citizens who are no threat in the first place...criminals dont follow laws and if you tell them now only the criminals are armed theyll be breakin into homes like its Black Friday at Wal-Mart

[stevenash]

i'm sure Al Sharpton will weigh in on this tragedy soon, right????

[Big Bear]

so what exactly happened here?

they all 3 shot his jogger?

[stevenash]

so what exactly happened here?

they all 3 shot his jogger?

No you dope, 1 shooter, 1 got charged with driving a felony shooting (or terms along those lines) the white guy got charged with being an accessory.

[SportsMushroom]

We're already stackin em 3 high to fit in the numerous prisons we currently have....other than making the privately run prison companies absolutely filthy rich I dont see gun control laws working AT ALL in the US and I have serious doubts whether they work well ANYWHERE bc criminals are criminals, if they were so concerned with following the laws they wouldnt be shooting joggers for fun in the first place

These nigs are facin life without parole...if that didnt stop em from murdering ppl for kicks I highly doubt a 10-year sentence for gun possession would have

Only ones who are going to follow a law like that are the law-abiding citizens who are no threat in the first place...criminals dont follow laws and if you tell them now only the criminals are armed theyll be breakin into homes like its Black Friday at Wal-Mart

nah people can rationalize anything to get what they want, just like you are doing

Im assuming you'll agree that these kids probably took their guns from their parents, and im assuming youll agree that their parents are law abiding citizens, so according to you, if guns were banned, the parents wouldnt have guns so the kids wouldnt have access to them

gun nut arguments defy logic, guns are not drugs, you cant secretly grow them in a field or in your basement, you need big facilities to make them which are hard to hide, also criminals wouldnt have the money or infrustructure to build the facilities, then there is the problem of transport, you cant smaggle guns easy cause they are big and also dont fit in peoples assholes

and unlike drugs, there wont be gun dealers on streat corners selling guns

these were just bored kids they would not have the connections to get a gun

rationalize it any way you want but the truth is you dont want the ban because you want guns in your life, and since you make that choice as a country then as a country you have to accept the concequences that come with it

[pavyracer]

Guns should be legal. However getting a license to bear one should be harder. Maybe increase the license fees to make it harder for people to accumulate hundreds of them. Put valorem taxes like you do on automobiles and add on gun insurance like you do for cars. For example the parents of the kids that shoot the Australian college student should have gun insurance so if their guns are not secured and are used by their kids the gun insurance should pay for the victim's families. Anyone can buy 100 guns for $500 a piece or less. No problem with that. But the government should require them to buy gun insurance which will be expensive the more careless you are with your guns. Like if you have your guns stolen or used without your permission your premiums should increase.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

nah people can rationalize anything to get what they want, just like you are doing

Im assuming you'll agree that these kids probably took their guns from their parents, and im assuming youll agree that their parents are law abiding citizens, so according to you, if guns were banned, the parents wouldnt have guns so the kids wouldnt have access to them

gun nut arguments defy logic, guns are not drugs, you cant secretly grow them in a field or in your basement, you need big facilities to make them which are hard to hide, also criminals wouldnt have the money or infrustructure to build the facilities, then there is the problem of transport, you cant smaggle guns easy cause they are big and also dont fit in peoples assholes

and unlike drugs, there wont be gun dealers on streat corners selling guns

these were just bored kids they would not have the connections to get a gun

rationalize it any way you want but the truth is you dont want the ban because you want guns in your life, and since you make that choice as a country then as a country you have to accept the concequences that come with it

I dont think you understand the entire situation with guns. They are produced and sold/traded worldwide. Its really been going on since the beginning of civilization with weapons in general...do you really think making them illegal(which would be quite a task in itself), would keep them out of the hands of criminals and governments? Most people that own guns are responsible and use them for hunting and recreational purposes. The problem in this particular case is that these pieces of shit thought killing someone was recreational...every time something like this happens all these clueless people come out of the woodwork saying to take away all the guns...good luck with that...

[SportsMushroom]

I dont think you understand the entire situation with guns. They are produced and sold/traded worldwide. Its really been going on since the beginning of civilization with weapons in general...do you really think making them illegal(which would be quite a task in itself), would keep them out of the hands of criminals and governments? Most people that own guns are responsible and use them for hunting and recreational purposes. The problem in this particular case is that these pieces of shit thought killing someone was recreational...every time something like this happens all these clueless people come out of the woodwork saying to take away all the guns...good luck with that...

ive lived my whole life in europe, ive lived in 4 different european countries and ive visited many more, im 29 years old and I have never met anyone with a handgun or assault rifle

ive known people who are criminals, drugs, theft etc, they tried to get guns, they couldnt

what you are saying is bullshit, banning guns works, what you should say is 'we like our guns and we wont give them up' end of story, but dont insult my intelligence

[stevenash]

You dumb ass! It's about law changes so idiots like these kids can't get there hands on them! Get a clue moron!

Law changes will prevent morons from getting a gun! Would you people think for once in your lives!

You are kidding, right?
Law changes will not change anyone desperate enough who wants to get a gun from getting a gun.

You care to debate the Eighteenth Amendment with me?
How'd that work out?

Not only did it not stop the manufacture/sale/transport...... liquor, it put money in the hands of undesirables.

What makes you think the same won't happen with guns.

[SportsMushroom]

You are kidding, right?
Law changes will not change anyone desperate enough who wants to get a gun from getting a gun.

You care to debate the Eighteenth Amendment with me?
How'd that work out?

Not only did it not stop the manufacture/sale/transport...... liquor, it put money in the hands of undesirables.

What makes you think the same won't happen with guns.

because people could make liquor in their bathtubs

gun manufacture is a very niche market that requires capital, space and technical expertise very few people have

not to mention that smuggling and trafficking guns is impossible compared to drugs and alcohol

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

ive lived my whole life in europe, ive lived in 4 different european countries and ive visited many more, im 29 years old and I have never met anyone with a handgun or assault rifle

ive known people who are criminals, drugs, theft etc, they tried to get guns, they couldnt

what you are saying is bullshit, banning guns works, what you should say is 'we like our guns and we wont give them up' end of story, but dont insult my intelligence

I guess you are right about us not giving them up...but its because people in the United states have been using guns for hunting and rec and protection for forever...to state it simply, if you ban guns in the US, only the criminals would have them. How do you propose we collect all of the guns assuming there was a law banning them? Do you think the criminals are going to drive to the police station and hand them over? Do you even think the gun manufacturers would even go along with it? they are sponsored by the gov with all of the wars going on, and not just in the US, that's happening around the world with foreign countries/gun co...also i hate to break it to you but some of the best guns are made in Europe so I don't think you guys have it figured out exactly...

[SportsMushroom]

I guess you are right about us not giving them up...but its because people in the United states have been using guns for hunting and rec and protection for forever...to state it simply, if you ban guns in the US, only the criminals would have them. How do you propose we collect all of the guns assuming there was a law banning them? Do you think the criminals are going to drive to the police station and hand them over? Do you even think the gun manufacturers would even go along with it? they are sponsored by the gov with all of the wars going on, and not just in the US, that's happening around the world with foreign countries/gun co...also i hate to break it to you but some of the best guns are made in Europe so I don't think you guys have it figured out exactly...

well there you go, corrupt businessmen and politicians are preventing guns from being banned, that should tell you something about which side is the right side to be on

also which guns are manufactured in europe? any guns i know of are only used by police or armed forces, none on offer for sale to civilians

as for the worn out excuse that only criminals will have guns, give it a rest, the story is always guys brings out a gun and kills a bunch of people, its never hero gunowner stops masacre, and guns are dangerous even in hands of lawabiding citizens like what these kids did to this australian guy, like what zimmermann did to martin, zimmerman was the most law abiding citizen yet killed an innocent child, there was another case a few months ago were a 'law abiding citizen' came out of his house and shot a guy dead cause he has playing basketball in front of his house

lets face, the gun situation in the states is so depressing its almost comical, and the fact that americans are still defending gun laws makes me feel im living in the twilight zone

as for your other question, guns would slowly come out of circulation, many criminals toss their guns after a crime, many guns will break down, many will be confiscated by the police until very few guns are left in circulation