UFC Fight Night: Dillashaw vs. Cruz (January 17, 2016)

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  • JoshKnows46
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    #246
    Originally posted by PaperTrail07
    agree and I do think he keeps it on the feet....wins VIA points or random late tko/ko...
    If pearson can keep it standing, Trinaldo will gas late and be finished, I may throw a few bucks on pearson finish in the 3rd, now that u mention it.
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    • PaperTrail07
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      #247
      For sure..if Trin was over +200 he would be worth a bet...when he beat Chad Laprise he was +275, +185 VS Parke....+130 Vs Pearson is just not worth it....zero value imo....(UNLESS ITS A WINNER LOL)...
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      • mirinquads
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        #248
        Keep disagreeing with Josh folks, he probably threw his keyboard at the wall already, it funny as shit
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        • JoshKnows46
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          #249
          Originally posted by PaperTrail07
          I am thinking a lot about this fight....which I dont do much....I just see Cruz keeping the distance with his hand/eye poke BS.....moving well--getting in and out .....can dill@ catch him on the way in---100%....but will be is the question.....the length and frame of cruz is what makes me ? this fight....Dilla has not seen a fighter like Cruz...will take him a round or 2 to get used to it IMO...both hesitant round 1 no DOUBT there IMO...you may be correct...but I dont see it as a gift...I could see you thinking dilla should be -200....then in your eyes yes it is a gift of large proportions...again GL and this is really the only fight we have not agreed upon really...
          This is what your missing, I mentioned faber and johnson because these are the closest comparisons we have to dillashaw. Dillashaw does well with his counter punches, he doesn't bounce in and out like Johnson faber, he stays in the pocket and returns fire, he will walk through Cruz's weak ass punches and land bombs, the escape won't be as easy against someone that isn't worried about what your gonna do, he's worried about what he's gonna do to you, switching stances makes it less predictable the angel of excapes for cruz, dillashaw is constantly forward, Ala connor mcgregor he only makes small steps backwards or two the side and continues on his path, it's why he lands so many strikes more than cruz, it's a improved version on Cruz's style, by a more athletic more skilled opp, dillashaw doesn't have to worry about the takedown as much as faber and johnson did as well, it will be tj swinging the Hammer and cruz being the nail till its over. A misconception is that cruz has better footwork and faster hands, not only is that not true. But dillashaw has more force behind his punches and he has much much better striking defense, cruz was ahead of his time and he confused other guys with his movement because they were worried about what he was gonna do next, there's nothing cruz does that dillashaw needs to be worried about. Switching stances allows dillashaw to cover more ground then his previous opp and get back into a good angle to attack immediatiatly, there will be no were to run or hide in this fight, cruz will get hurt badly and knocked out cold for the very first time, and it will done so easily that cruz will even question himself and probable retire.
          Last edited by JoshKnows46; 01-15-16, 04:28 PM.
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          • JoshKnows46
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            #250
            Originally posted by mirinquads
            Keep disagreeing with Josh folks, he probably threw his keyboard at the wall already, it funny as shit
            You know you made it, when you got haters lol I've made it to forum royalty, roll out the red carpet. I love you bro, keep hatin. You can only discuss how porier could have Gotten kod in some imaginary world, that means I'm putting in work when that's all u can come up with. Keep betting against me, you'll end up in the poor house. You'll love me when you come to your sense, and start listening to what I tell u to bet, and I get ur family off food stamps.
            Last edited by JoshKnows46; 01-15-16, 04:24 PM.
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            • mirinquads
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              #251
              Originally posted by JoshKnows46
              You know you made it, when you got haters lol I've made it to forum royalty, roll out the red carpet. I love you bro, keep hatin.
              Ain't hatin', just Joshin'.. Get it?
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              • JoshKnows46
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                #252
                Originally posted by mirinquads
                Ain't hatin', just Joshin'.. Get it?
                I got it, you still betting on cruz or you gonna listen to me this time?

                Trying to help your feeble little mind understand what I see, is the hardest part about this forum stuff.
                Last edited by JoshKnows46; 01-15-16, 04:37 PM.
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                • mirinquads
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                  #253
                  Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                  I got it, you still betting on cruz or you gonna listen to me this time?

                  Trying to help your feeble little mind understand what I see, is the hardest part about this forum stuff.

                  Of course i'm not betting on Cruz. With a 5 year layoff? C'mon now. Got GTD though. - Just wanted to see how riled up I could get you.
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                  • PaperTrail07
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                    #254
                    I will 100% agree that Dill@ throws stronger and with more intention---cruz def pointing...and is a decision KING....5 rounds even...also agree he is not worried about Cruz power of getting KO's--he will walk foward....I just see Cruz winning round 1 -2 via points and Dilla growing stronger as the fight progresses.....could dilla end it yeah sure...but he might have too IMO unless he takes 3-4-5-just how I see the fight going down.....if it ends under 3 rounds.....sure-lift Dill@'s hand...the frame nd length of cruz WILL be a problem--jushave to see how he deals with it.....
                    Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                    This is what your missing, I mentioned faber and johnson because these are the closest comparisons we have to dillashaw. Dillashaw does well with his counter punches, he doesn't bounce in and out like Johnson faber, he stays in the pocket and returns fire, he will walk through Cruz's weak ass punches and land bombs, the escape won't be as easy against someone that isn't worried about what your gonna do, he's worried about what he's gonna do to you, switching stances makes it less predictable the angel of excapes for cruz, dillashaw is constantly forward, Ala connor mcgregor he only makes small steps backwards or two the side and continues on his path, it's why he lands so many strikes more than cruz, it's a improved version on Cruz's style, by a more athletic more skilled opp, dillashaw doesn't have to worry about the takedown as much as faber and johnson did as well, it will be tj swinging the Hammer and cruz being the nail till its over. A misconception is that cruz has better footwork and faster hands, not only is that not true. But dillashaw has more force behind his punches and he has much much better striking defense, cruz was ahead of his time and he confused other guys with his movement because they were worried about what he was gonna do next, there's nothing cruz does that dillashaw needs to be worried about. Switching stances allows dillashaw to cover more ground then his previous opp and get back into a good angle to attack immediatiatly, there will be no were to run or hide in this fight, cruz will get hurt badly and knocked out cold for the very first time, and it will done so easily that cruz will even question himself and probable retire.
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                    • PaperTrail07
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                      #255
                      Good Read essentially discussing what we are----good stufff

                      Sunday's bantamweight title matchup between current champion T.J. Dillashaw and former beltholder Dominick Cruz is a great fight by any standard. It's one more iteration of Cruz vs...
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                      • PaperTrail07
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                        #256
                        "No fighter embodies that trend better than Dillashaw. His striking game looks superficially like an updated version of Cruz's, with similarly odd and unpredictable lateral movement, stance switches and angles"-
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                        • JoshKnows46
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                          #257
                          Originally posted by mirinquads
                          Of course i'm not betting on Cruz. With a 5 year layoff? C'mon now. Got GTD though. - Just wanted to see how riled up I could get you.
                          Not a shot this goes the distance, with a 5 year layoff you think cruz can hang with the cardio machine killashaw for 25 minutes on his gimpy ass legs? Lol hedge outta that shit with killashaw it'd at 315.
                          Last edited by JoshKnows46; 01-15-16, 05:01 PM.
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                          • mirinquads
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                            #258
                            Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                            Not a shot this goes the distance, with a 5 year layoff you think cruz can hang with the cardio machine killashaw for 25 minutes?
                            Nop, but TJ sucks at cutting off the cage, even with all his angling, and won't get Cruz in a control position long enough for the finish. And Cruz is a good dancer.

                            Tj has been able to unload his impressive combos on people with absolutely zero footwork, like Soto and Joe Soto. That ain't Cruz.

                            And please stop changing your post completely, Wth?
                            Last edited by mirinquads; 01-15-16, 05:04 PM.
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                            • JoshKnows46
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                              #259
                              Originally posted by PaperTrail07
                              I will 100% agree that Dill@ throws stronger and with more intention---cruz def pointing...and is a decision KING....5 rounds even...also agree he is not worried about Cruz power of getting KO's--he will walk foward....I just see Cruz winning round 1 -2 via points and Dilla growing stronger as the fight progresses.....could dilla end it yeah sure...but he might have too IMO unless he takes 3-4-5-just how I see the fight going down.....if it ends under 3 rounds.....sure-lift Dill@'s hand...the frame nd length of cruz WILL be a problem--jushave to see how he deals with it.....
                              How do you see Cruz winning rounds, he doesn't throw near the volume dillashaw does, and if he trys to match volume it will be over sooner. You must believe cruz can out wrestle dillashaw? I don't see a single thing cruz does better then dillashaw, and I can't see Cruz winning a single round, unless he catches dillashaw off balance and gets a takedown.
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                              • getlucky2win
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                                #260
                                i have dillishaw but hope he loses so josh can cry on the internet... again


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                                • JIBBBY
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                                  #261
                                  LOL^^

                                  Fellas let me try to break it down town Charley Brown for you clowns....

                                  - Ross Pearson fights as stiff as a board standing.. Trinaldo by Ko, sub or decision in this one... Trinaldo has never been stopped in 22 pro fights. He's rattled off 4 straight wins in the UFC now which is not easy to do..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Francisco-Trinaldo-31103

                                  - Cruz better in every area then TJ Dill, taller, reach advantage, better movement with his standup.. TJ Dill is gonna get picked apart standing.. Oh and if D Cruz can throw around Mighty mouse like a rag doll he can probably do that to TJ as well if they clinch up... Wouldn't be surprised if TJ gets knocked out cold in this one...
                                  Last edited by JIBBBY; 01-15-16, 05:11 PM.
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                                  • JoshKnows46
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                                    #262
                                    Originally posted by mirinquads
                                    Nop, but TJ sucks at cutting off the cage, even with all his angling, and won't get Cruz in a control position long enough for the finish. And Cruz is a good dancer.

                                    Tj has been able to unload his impressive combos on people with absolutely zero footwork, like Soto and Joe Soto. That ain't Cruz.

                                    And please stop changing your post completely, Wth?
                                    Dillashaw is horrible at cutting off the cage lmfao I won't even bother with you. So faber and johnson have more punching power then dillashaw, he doesn't need combos to hurt cruz, hell hurt him with singles, leg kicks, head kicks. Your overestimating Cruz's elusiveness, he's very hitable once the distance is closed.
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                                    • JoshKnows46
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                                      #263
                                      Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                      LOL^^

                                      Fellas let me try to break it down town Charley Brown for you clowns....

                                      - Ross Pearson fights as stiff as a board standing.. Trinaldo by Ko, sub or decision in this one... Trinaldo has never been stopped in 22 pro fights. He's rattled off 4 straight wins in the UFC now which is not easy to do..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Francisco-Trinaldo-31103

                                      - Cruz better in every area then TJ Dill, taller, reach advantage, better movement with his standup.. TJ Dill is gonna get picked apart standing.. Oh and if D Cruz can throw around Mighty mouse like a rag doll he can probably do that to TJ as well if they clinch up... Wouldn't be surprised if TJ gets knocked out cold in this one...
                                      Jibby you can't pick a fight right to save your life, how dare you disagree with me.
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                                      • TPowell
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                                        #264
                                        I just don't think you can know what you're betting on with Cruz right now. His only fight in the last few years was the impressive win over the Asian guy but that guy has been on a sharp decline lately sooooo
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                                        • JIBBBY
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                                          #265
                                          Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                          Jibby you can't pick a fight right to save your life, how dare you disagree with me.
                                          Will see about that hot shot.. I was born to pick winnarz!!!..
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                                          • JoshKnows46
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                                            #266
                                            Originally posted by getlucky2win
                                            i have dillishaw but hope he loses so josh can cry on the internet... again


                                            I haven't lost money on a card in 5 months, why would I ever cry, dipshit? Keep hoping kid
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                                            • mirinquads
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                                              #267
                                              Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                              Dillashaw is horrible at cutting off the cage lmfao I won't even bother with you. So faber and johnson have more punching power then dillashaw, he doesn't need combos to hurt cruz, hell hurt him with singles, leg kicks, head kicks. Your overestimating Cruz's elusiveness, he's very hitable once the distance is closed.
                                              He is, you'd know this, if you knew what you were watching. Dillashaw isn't a one punch knockout guy, and you will see this in the fight. He had to punch Barao 20x on the cage, and even then he wasn't out, lol.
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                                              • JIBBBY
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                                                #268
                                                Originally posted by TPowell
                                                I just don't think you can know what you're betting on with Cruz right now. His only fight in the last few years was the impressive win over the Asian guy but that guy has been on a sharp decline lately sooooo
                                                Cruz couldn't have fought any better in that fight, not his fault he was paired up with an Asian.. Can't discount Cruz like that... He was the best, still is the best,
                                                and new.......
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                                                • TPowell
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                                                  #269
                                                  Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                  Cruz couldn't have fought any better in that fight, not his fault he was paired up with an Asian.. Can't discount Cruz like that... He was the best, still is the best, and new.......
                                                  You can when he hasn't fought a real elite fighter since 2011. Even that last fight was close to a year and a half ago.
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                                                  • JoshKnows46
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                                                    #270
                                                    Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                    Will see about that hot shot.. I was born to pick winnarz!!!..
                                                    Just fukin with u jibby, ur harmless.
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                                                    • JoshKnows46
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                                                      #271
                                                      Originally posted by mirinquads
                                                      He is, you'd know this, if you knew what you were watching. Dillashaw isn't a one punch knockout guy, and you will see this in the fight. He had to punch Barao 20x on the cage, and even then he wasn't out, lol.
                                                      Your a clueless little fuk aren't you... how many times have you seen barao hurt in his 40 something fights. He's been kod twice by dillashaw, those have been the only times he's been kod. Cruz's chin isn't Baraos, your grasping at straws to justify a absolute idiotic bet, and that's why u lose money. Stop living off the hope and wish factor. I know cruz will be knocked out cold in this fight.
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                                                      • JIBBBY
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                                                        #272
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                                                        • Killer_Demo
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                                                          #273
                                                          Tko and ko are 2 diff things. Tj isnt a power puncher. It took a flurry of shots for barao 2 fight to be stopped. Barao wasnt ko'd
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                                                          • TPowell
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                                                            #274
                                                            Originally posted by Killer_Demo
                                                            Tko and ko are 2 diff things. Tj isnt a power puncher. It took a flurry of shots for barao 2 fight to be stopped. Barao wasnt ko'd

                                                            Dillashaw breaks you with constant pressure and hard punches. They may not be TKO punches to guys with great chins but he does have power. Look his last 3 fights, all TKO's in round 4 or 5.
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                                                            • Killer_Demo
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                                                              #275
                                                              Originally posted by TPowell
                                                              Dillashaw breaks you with constant pressure and hard punches. They may not be TKO punches to guys with great chins but he does have power. Look his last 3 fights, all TKO's in round 4 or 5.
                                                              When was his last KO? When was last time he knocked the guy out COLD??? Tko doesnt mean shit for punching power. KO's do
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                                                              • getlucky2win
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                                                                #276
                                                                Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                                                I haven't lost money on a card in 5 months, why would I ever cry, dipshit? Keep hoping kid
                                                                u cried like a lil btch for a wk how u got robbed on condit. u lost a close fight. it happens. only btchs cry about it all over the forum. insisting they won cuz dana white, some fighters, ur mom, boyfriend, and gerbil agree with u
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                                                                • JoshKnows46
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                                                                  #277
                                                                  Originally posted by getlucky2win
                                                                  u cried like a lil btch for a wk how u got robbed on condit. u lost a close fight. it happens. only btchs cry about it all over the forum. insisting they won cuz dana white, some fighters, ur mom, boyfriend, and gerbil agree with u
                                                                  Haha stating the obvious is crying, then I'm crying about this dillashaw matchup and everything I've ever said. Go color yourself little boy.
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                                                                  • JoshKnows46
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                                                                    #278
                                                                    Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                                    He talked you right out of your money, didn't he jibby?, lmfao you'll hate him after this fight. He's trying to be mcgregor without the skill, your both gonna look real stupid after this fight.
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                                                                    • JC2008
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                                                                      #279
                                                                      How about we get some more discussion going on the lesser-known fights instead of you bitches arguing?
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                                                                      • JoshKnows46
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                                                                        #280
                                                                        Originally posted by JC2008
                                                                        How about we get some more discussion going on the lesser-known fights instead of you bitches arguing?
                                                                        How bout no, bitch
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