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  • 815Sox
    SBR MVP
    • 09-13-10
    • 1078

    #4411
    People have been gambling forever basically. It is very difficult to enforce. Often times those very people who are supposed to enforce are placing bets. Hell, our States Attorney in my city was caught at a mafia run poker game a few years ago. Some kids tried to rob it, someone got shot and the police came. Our States Attorney declared a "conflict of interest" when it came to prosecuting and it got swept under the rug. Also, in lots of bars we have slot machines that are supposedly "just for fun", but if you know the right people you can get paid for them. I don't know why the just do not legalize it all and tax it. We need the money. Put the taxes in the education system (like the lotto) or a job creation program.

    Lots of things are difficult to enforce so people look the other way. Its very rare for people to get marijuana possessions charges nowadays in my city. The only way it happens is if you do something else or are a jerk to the cops. I also lived in London for awhile, where sports betting was legal and it didn't appear to destroy society or anything else. Sadly, many laws in the United States were influenced by religious code, even when they are not supposed to be.
    Last edited by 815Sox; 10-10-11, 03:24 PM.
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    • Love The Action
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 11-08-10
      • 10952

      #4412
      Originally posted by BiffTFinancial
      yeah, the bigger risk, in my experience, is that the guy will get in trouble for something else or a client will have a crappy run and blow the whistle on him to avoid paying. i definitely wouldn't place action with a local without cashing out regularly, that's a short-term occupation for many.
      Blow the whistle!?!? That's how you get in real trouble. We dont tolerate rats in Chi-town....if the bookie dont get ya, then the clients whose book you ratted on will because now they can't get any action.

      My books are solid. You have to be referred and then pass a vetting process proving your ability to pay. Then we just settle up at a certain level...say if you are up or down $500 or $1000 at the end of the week, you settle up on tuesday. Otherwise, everything rolls over till next week. Some locals require payment every week which is a sign of a bad local because it means they are not well capitalized and need to get paid by the losers to pay the winners. Stay away from those ones. I'm pretty lucky, my main book is huge in the midwest and my local agent is a guy I grew up with so there is a strong level of trust present.
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      • Love The Action
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 11-08-10
        • 10952

        #4413
        Originally posted by BiffTFinancial
        you said it better than i, LTA. at the most, it's an unenforced gray area. at the least, the government can't really control what i'm doing with my money in other countries until i repatriate the income (which is why UIGEA is such a silly law). you are correct about IRS, something i'm not willing to mess around with. my accountant advised me years ago to declare nominal amounts of gambling winnings on my tax return, which i do in any year in which i take big cash-outs.
        Yep...that's why you should always save your lotto tickets or instant scratch off tickets,, that's the way to safely report it...
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        • BiffTFinancial
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 01-29-09
          • 22670

          #4414
          Originally posted by Love The Action
          Blow the whistle!?!? That's how you get in real trouble. We dont tolerate rats in Chi-town....if the bookie dont get ya, then the clients whose book you ratted on will because now they can't get any action. My books are solid. You have to be referred and then pass a vetting process proving your ability to pay. Then we just settle up at a certain level...say if you are up or down $500 or $1000 at the end of the week, you settle up on tuesday. Otherwise, everything rolls over till next week. Some locals require payment every week which is a sign of a bad local because it means they are not well capitalized and need to get paid by the losers to pay the winners. Stay away from those ones. I'm pretty lucky, my main book is huge in the midwest and my local agent is a guy I grew up with so there is a strong level of trust present.
          to be clear, i wasn't endorsing that sort of conduct - i've just heard about it happening to people a couple of times, who knows if the person who said it was being honest or not.

          you're 100% correct about a local requiring that you pay up when you're down like 50 bucks for the week being a bad sign. i had a local like that about four years ago, he didn't even make it to the end of October during football season. he called me at work one day after i'd had a losing weekend in September, and i asked if he could wait until that afternoon because i was in meetings all day. he said, no, i really need the money right now.
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          • BiffTFinancial
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 01-29-09
            • 22670

            #4415
            Originally posted by Love The Action
            Yep...that's why you should always save your lotto tickets or instant scratch off tickets,, that's the way to safely report it...
            i've always just made sure that i schedule a trip to Vegas, Greektown or Windsor during the same calendar year, and make a couple of big withdrawals before i go.
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            • 815Sox
              SBR MVP
              • 09-13-10
              • 1078

              #4416
              Originally posted by Love The Action

              My books are solid. You have to be referred and then pass a vetting process proving your ability to pay. Then we just settle up at a certain level...say if you are up or down $500 or $1000 at the end of the week, you settle up on tuesday. Otherwise, everything rolls over till next week. Some locals require payment every week which is a sign of a bad local because it means they are not well capitalized and need to get paid by the losers to pay the winners. Stay away from those ones. I'm pretty lucky, my main book is huge in the midwest and my local agent is a guy I grew up with so there is a strong level of trust present.
              See, now that sounds like a situation I would be more than comfortable with.


              Originally posted by Love The Action

              Yep...that's why you should always save your lotto tickets or instant scratch off tickets,, that's the way to safely report it...
              Never thought of that. Not that I am making anywhere near an amount that they would be interested in, but I am going to let some of my friends know about that.
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              • Trivial
                SBR MVP
                • 11-22-09
                • 1328

                #4417
                Amen 815. I wish I could use my current sportsbooks (all A rated by SBR) instead of a new one or at lease a cheaper charity. Oh well.

                Originally posted by 815Sox
                I really like 5dimes myself.

                There are a few other ways to become pro. I wish they would lower the price on the "charity" option. I would be more than willing to give 50 to 100 bucks. 200 is a little step for me at this point in my life. I'd be that if they lowered the price they would get more donations which would equal more money to "Doctors Without Borders" (very legit charity) in the end.
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                • Love The Action
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 11-08-10
                  • 10952

                  #4418
                  Originally posted by BiffTFinancial
                  i've always just made sure that i schedule a trip to Vegas, Greektown or Windsor during the same calendar year, and make a couple of big withdrawals before i go.
                  Oddly enough, I've only been to vegas twice. I find it overpriced and I get tired of being there for more than a couple days...
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                  • 815Sox
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-13-10
                    • 1078

                    #4419
                    I have only been once. I was ready to go home the day we left (morning of 4th day). I don't know how people spend more than a long weekend out there. I like it though, I'm thinking about going back this year or next. The key is to make sure you spend time looking at the honnies poolside for at least a few hours.

                    This is a little interesting:

                    STL/MIL score 1st inn yes +100
                    STL/MIL no score 1st inn -120

                    Knowing Jackson, you would think this would be at least even.
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                    • Love The Action
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 11-08-10
                      • 10952

                      #4420
                      Originally posted by 815Sox
                      I have only been once. I was ready to go home the day we left (morning of 4th day). I don't know how people spend more than a long weekend out there. I like it though, I'm thinking about going back this year or next. The key is to make sure you spend time looking at the honnies poolside for at least a few hours.

                      This is a little interesting:

                      STL/MIL score 1st inn yes +100
                      STL/MIL no score 1st inn -120

                      Knowing Jackson, you would think this would be at least even.
                      Eye candy is one of vegas' main attractions!

                      I generally dont play first inning props, but agree that seems a pretty good price. Good luck if you play it...lets hope its the cards that score though!
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                      • Trivial
                        SBR MVP
                        • 11-22-09
                        • 1328

                        #4421
                        815. Are you saying yes or no score?
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                        • Donnie Brasco
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 01-04-11
                          • 862

                          #4422
                          Good luck tonight gentlemen! I would up in the emergency room with an unknown anaphylactic (allergic) reaction with lips swelling and throat closing, great night so far. I need luck tonight to turn this day around!
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                          • Love The Action
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 11-08-10
                            • 10952

                            #4423
                            Originally posted by Donnie Brasco
                            Good luck tonight gentlemen! I would up in the emergency room with an unknown anaphylactic (allergic) reaction with lips swelling and throat closing, great night so far. I need luck tonight to turn this day around!
                            Holy shit....you ok donnie?
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                            • Donnie Brasco
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 01-04-11
                              • 862

                              #4424
                              Good now! Lets sports invest!
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                              • Love The Action
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 11-08-10
                                • 10952

                                #4425
                                Originally posted by Donnie Brasco
                                Good now! Lets sports invest!
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                                • Redscot
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 05-16-11
                                  • 2571

                                  #4426
                                  Originally posted by Donnie Brasco
                                  Good luck tonight gentlemen! I would up in the emergency room with an unknown anaphylactic (allergic) reaction with lips swelling and throat closing, great night so far. I need luck tonight to turn this day around!
                                  Damn Bro, hope you are ok. Did you find out the cause? Eat fish or anything different yesterday?

                                  Strangely enough I am uncomfortable as F uck today as well. Got a bad rash on my neck and hands that I must have contracted the other day on the farm clearing out a woodsy area.

                                  On the under here in this first game, hopefully the pens can do their job. Joining LTA on the Cards play as well .

                                  Hope you feel better
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                                  • 815Sox
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 09-13-10
                                    • 1078

                                    #4427
                                    Originally posted by Trivial
                                    815. Are you saying yes or no score?
                                    I am saying that it is more likely to hit than normal, because Jackson is often very rocky in the first and than settles down into a grove. If I were to play it, I would go with yes. I have played one prop (Maclin above 2.5 reception vs ATL) in the last two months. Its at -110 now, so I am not going to play it.
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                                    • guil0000
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 01-18-11
                                      • 472

                                      #4428
                                      Originally posted by Love The Action
                                      MLB 2011 Playoffs 10/10/11

                                      Play #1

                                      Cardinals ML (+127) 1x (Locked)


                                      These are similar pitchers statistically, but recent form suggests that Jackson has the edge today and I expect the cardinals to tie up the series. Overall the seasonal stats of marcum and jackson are similar, but recent xFIP numbers show Jackson to be the better pitcher heading into this game. In addition, jackson's situational splits and high leverage stats show jackson to be the better pitcher in crunch time. I expect the cards to get the lead and then hold it unlike yesterday. Even though the brewers bullpen is stronger, I think the cards have enough quality arms available to get it done. The brewers can only contain pujols so long and I expect him to have a good game today after struggling against marcum in the past. I have the cards set as +119 dogs on the road so we are getting about 6 cents in value today. I'm rolling the cards for 1x. Good luck.
                                      I have a question for you LTA. What exactly does leverage means on fangraphs. I have seen the stats before but couldn't figure it out
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                                      • Love The Action
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 11-08-10
                                        • 10952

                                        #4429
                                        Originally posted by Redscot
                                        Damn Bro, hope you are ok. Did you find out the cause? Eat fish or anything different yesterday?

                                        Strangely enough I am uncomfortable as F uck today as well. Got a bad rash on my neck and hands that I must have contracted the other day on the farm clearing out a woodsy area.

                                        On the under here in this first game, hopefully the pens can do their job. Joining LTA on the Cards play as well .

                                        Hope you feel better
                                        Feel better bro...i liked that rangers under too but my model had 8.9 and the wind conditions scared me. Hope you cash
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                                        • Redscot
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 05-16-11
                                          • 2571

                                          #4430
                                          Originally posted by Love The Action
                                          Feel better bro...i liked that rangers under too but my model had 8.9 and the wind conditions scared me. Hope you cash
                                          Thanks man, sounds like I got off a lot lighter than Donnie, constricted throat ain't no joke!
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                                          • Donnie Brasco
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 01-04-11
                                            • 862

                                            #4431
                                            Originally posted by Love The Action
                                            Feel better bro...i liked that rangers under too but my model had 8.9 and the wind conditions scared me. Hope you cash
                                            Getting the whole workup, bloodwork, skin test, u name it. Thx for the kind words
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                                            • Love The Action
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 11-08-10
                                              • 10952

                                              #4432
                                              Originally posted by guil0000
                                              I have a question for you LTA. What exactly does leverage means on fangraphs. I have seen the stats before but couldn't figure it out
                                              No time for a detailed response...but here's the links...dig in!

                                              During the course of a game, some situations are more tense and suspenseful than others. For instance, we know that a one-run lead in the bottom of the ninth inning is more suspenseful than a one-run…


                                              LI (leverage index): A measure of how important a particular situation is in a baseball game depending on the inning, score, outs, and number of players on base, created by Tom Tango. Baselines: The…


                                              FanGraphs Audio is like a bald eagle: less endangered now than it had been till recently. Episode Four In which the panel considers the nature of stress… in every way imaginable.
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                                              • Love The Action
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 11-08-10
                                                • 10952

                                                #4433
                                                Redscot and Donnie...hope you both feel better...the best cure for what ails you is to cash some tickets so I can do that tonight
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                                                • Trivial
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 11-22-09
                                                  • 1328

                                                  #4434
                                                  Originally posted by Donnie Brasco
                                                  Good luck tonight gentlemen! I would up in the emergency room with an unknown anaphylactic (allergic) reaction with lips swelling and throat closing, great night so far. I need luck tonight to turn this day around!
                                                  Wholly shit. Are you okay man?
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                                                  • Trivial
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 11-22-09
                                                    • 1328

                                                    #4435
                                                    Originally posted by 815Sox
                                                    I am saying that it is more likely to hit than normal, because Jackson is often very rocky in the first and than settles down into a grove. If I were to play it, I would go with yes. I have played one prop (Maclin above 2.5 reception vs ATL) in the last two months. Its at -110 now, so I am not going to play it.
                                                    Thanks for the clarification. Unfortunately I missed it. Oh well.
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                                                    • Trivial
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 11-22-09
                                                      • 1328

                                                      #4436
                                                      Originally posted by Love The Action
                                                      Redscot and Donnie...hope you both feel better...the best cure for what ails you is to cash some tickets so I can do that tonight
                                                      Definitely. Hope everyone ends up ahead health wise and financially.

                                                      Get better Red and Donnie.
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                                                      • Redscot
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 05-16-11
                                                        • 2571

                                                        #4437
                                                        LOL, save your last rights for Donnie, mine is just a rash. Thanks though.

                                                        Well, that Rangers game could not have been scripted worse for my under, that sucked.

                                                        Lets go Cards!
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                                                        • Love The Action
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 11-08-10
                                                          • 10952

                                                          #4438
                                                          Originally posted by Redscot

                                                          On the under here in this first game, hopefully the pens can do their job.
                                                          Ouch...sorry bud. That was a horrible way to lose an under. Believe me, I know how you're feeling
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                                                          • Trivial
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 11-22-09
                                                            • 1328

                                                            #4439
                                                            Ouch Red. I feel your pain even though I did not bet on the total.
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                                                            • Redscot
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 05-16-11
                                                              • 2571

                                                              #4440
                                                              Thanks fella's, that was such a bad beat I'm just laughing it off, wtf, had to be a Dominican too! Got two plays left this evening to get in the black though.
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                                                              • italianbandit
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 05-17-11
                                                                • 2622

                                                                #4441
                                                                Sorry for the delay LTA, I guess Pujols is healed Nice start anyway.

                                                                Last article I read was right before the Phillies series. I practice pain medicine and know that heel pain takes a long time to heal. It also can be very painful as cortisone injections don't work after a while. I was just taking a guess.
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                                                                • Love The Action
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 11-08-10
                                                                  • 10952

                                                                  #4442
                                                                  MLB Final Numbers for Regular Season 2011

                                                                  418 - 378 = +38.03x

                                                                  MLB 2011 Playoff Recap 10/10/11

                                                                  1 - 0 = +1.27x


                                                                  An easy win with the Cards and Pujols breaking out of his minislump just as we predicted..

                                                                  MLB 2011 Playoffs

                                                                  11 - 6 = +5.102x

                                                                  Just keep on grinding...
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                                                                  • guil0000
                                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                                    • 01-18-11
                                                                    • 472

                                                                    #4443
                                                                    Originally posted by Love The Action
                                                                    No time for a detailed response...but here's the links...dig in!

                                                                    During the course of a game, some situations are more tense and suspenseful than others. For instance, we know that a one-run lead in the bottom of the ninth inning is more suspenseful than a one-run…


                                                                    LI (leverage index): A measure of how important a particular situation is in a baseball game depending on the inning, score, outs, and number of players on base, created by Tom Tango. Baselines: The…


                                                                    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...erage-podcast/
                                                                    Thanks a ton and congrats on a nice win
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                                                                    • No coincidences
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 01-18-10
                                                                      • 76300

                                                                      #4444
                                                                      Nice hit LTA.

                                                                      What do you think about Game 3 (Gallardo vs. Carp)?
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                                                                      • CdeQ
                                                                        SBR Rookie
                                                                        • 08-10-11
                                                                        • 16

                                                                        #4445
                                                                        Good job, thanks for your efforts
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