[JR007]

whatever,kid,, learn to cap your own games
old enough to be you grandad, was gambling long before you were a twinkle in you parents eye

"don't choke on the turkey bones"in your "elitist utopia"

[Creditsforedits]

JR007 old enough to be a grandad and old enough to be suffering from senile dementia it seems as well.

I have requested you post a clear record, with proof and you have not done this. You are making assumptions and lies about why John is here and again post no proof to back it up.

I showed very clearly in my last post in this thread how you lied about the 10* record, a very simple record of three plays which you either got wrong and therefore we must question your ability to compile a record using more than 3 pieces of statistical data, or you lied.. in which case everything you say comes into doubt.

I want to believe you JR007, you seem like you could be a hero to me.. like the grandad I wish I had.. but without a clear, proven argument you come out looking like a kook...

John provides what he does, you have no evidence to back up that his record is inaccurate, you have no evidence to back up that he is posting these plays to tout for business.. as my old lady used to say - "if you don't have something positive to say, shut the fuk up" .. well she didnt say it quite like that.

But stop pretending to be an advocate for others when you can only do so by making unveiled attacks on John when all he has done and will do is post plays and insights into this seasons NFL for others to use as they please.

[jjaycuny]

If no one responds to JR007, the troll will go away..

[John Ryan]

5* graded play taking Alaska-Anchorage plus 13 -110 playing against Murray State
5* graded play taking V-Tech plus 10 1/2 -110 playing against Syracuse
5* graded play taking UCLA +6 1/2 -110 playing Michigan.

This is also posted in the College hoops thread.

Due to the heavy amount of research and the fact that i will be traveling over the next 24 hours, my time here on the threads will be limited. Have a Great Thanksgiving and as always remember what matters most to you and be thankful for them.We all need to, including myself... I often remind myself of a great quote that no one has achieved anything great without the help of others...

[John Ryan]

For future reference, we will only discuss NFL games in this thread. I am setting up another thread for CFB, but for now use the thread for the Texas-Texas A&M game.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/college-fo...john-ryan.html

For College Hoops the link is:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/ncaa-baske...john-ryan.html

This will organize the trio of areas we are focusing on and allow you to make three stops to get the research and posts. Thanks and once again Happy Thanksgiving!

[khicks26]

whatever,kid,, learn to cap your own games
old enough to be you grandad, was gambling long before you were a twinkle in you parents eye

"don't choke on the turkey bones"in your "elitist utopia"

good, gald i pissed you off. you old fart.

[John Ryan]

For Thanksgiving Day: Play a 5* graded play 'UNDER' Green Bay/Detroit. Current line is 56 -110 at more than half of the books and I would not be surprised to see it rise to 57. Work for 57 or 57 1/2 since there is still more than 15 hours+ till game time. There is nothing wrong with simply accepting the 56 point level.

[illios]

That your only football play?

[rockhardfister]

I would agree. If you have to make a play then take the 'over'. The other consideration is Ohio University already clinched the East Division. It is Senior Night, but will they be completely focused? Or will be more of a celebration type of affair for the Seniors? I don't know, but it sure smells like a potential upset perhaps and lot sof scoring. Again, if I had to make a play.

Thanks John. Luckily i played Miami OH +7.5. The weather scared me off the off the over. Not sure what you have in mind tomorrow but I will add my 2 cents for the record.

I would consider taking all 3x of these dogs on the ML tomorrow but i will take the points.

Detroit - Pretty simple - We all know the short week favors the Home team and this one is getting a TD. GB Defense gives up points and the Lions can score. Additionally the dome will be rocking tomorrow and Detroit has a front line that can disrupt Rogers. With Cutler out, Detriot is extra motivated for that wild card spot. I expect a close game and a Detriot cover if not W.

Miami - This defense has been nasty the last 4x games and should have beaten the Giants. I would take their Defense right now over any other NFL team. Dallas is coming off of a tough division overtime win and its tough to get up for a team on paper that has a poor record and from another conference. Additionally, Matt Moore has been super lately. Taking the points.

San Fran - This team finally gets a prime time game and all they will hear is how good the Ravens Defense is all week. Meanwhile they have one of the top 3 Defenses in the league and the Ravens...not so much. Ravens are another team coming off of a close conference win and now have to host a team from another division. Ravens get beat up here for fun. Ray Rice will be reduced to small gains. Brother vs. Brother and Jim gets the W here.

[spike1519]

All of us who support John here need to get on the ball we got a few trying to bring the whole down. There is no way that any one can dispute the fact that this is a winning thread and to those who question the record think twice your groveling over 2 or 3 plays in a season of winners here, man get real, i made one deposit to my bookie after that I cant even see the bottom after following John's picks you can debate this and that however if you've followed along as i have your up so much one or 2 or 3 or 4 mistakes in record mean absolutely nothing. I challenge all those who appreciate this thread to make yourselves known and let's drowned out the voices of conspiricy who are present!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John you kick ass and let's let him know this before we lose him forever people get a grip omg you sound like women !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spike1519]

whatever,kid,, learn to cap your own games
old enough to be you grandad, was gambling long before you were a twinkle in you parents eye

"don't choke on the turkey bones"in your "elitist utopia"

whats the deal JR? really why you got such a hard on for this winning thread omg if you've been betting against it i'd understand but if you've been betting it I know your way up. What does one or 2 games mean here and there really when were up so much. I made one deposit into my account And i'm way up why aren't you? if your following, if your not following i get it but at minimum give credit where credit is due. He post's his pick's (something your unwilling to do ) for all to see. If your doing so much better then let us in on it if not then why choose Joh'n forum to rag on? There are alot of worse ones on S.B.R i know that you know this and your a decent capper so why so mad seriously why you so angry at John???????????????????????????........s pike..........B.T.W my elitist utopia consist's of a frozen dinner and myself W.T.F. ?

[illios]

John why is your 5* on under but in the sbr round table you like over?

[Creditsforedits]

John why is your 5* on under but in the sbr round table you like over?

John addressed this concern earlier in the thread. The round table is a discussion and John has not run his simulator, so you must take the round table simply as punditry, if you wish to use the ideas they produce in your picks then that is your choice. But the official graded plays are in this thread and they can, have and will at times go against the discussion in the roundtable.

This can be explained by the fact that the simulator and the extensive research that John does during the week will throw up different angles to the round table and John takes these as being more important.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[pc2006mg]

Atta boy Spike! Well said!!! Have a great Thanksgiving!!!

[Creditsforedits]

Ok, I am going to put a stop to this JR007 nonsense right here and right now and then make an appeal to all the readers and those who benefit from this thread.

I will clearly and undeniably demonstrate, with proof, that JR007 is either a) a liar or b) so completely wrong with extremely simple record keeping that he cannot be trusted unless he provides what must now be a heavy burden of proof.

I will try to break this down so simply that even he will be able to understand, and this is not a personal attack on him. Simply it is to establish that you must NOT just accept what someone says (that even includes mr Ryan and myself - please go back and check the evidence I am supplying here for yourselves).

1) JR007 makes his allegation in post 1987 - http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-bettin...l#post12374173 - In the interests of brevity and simplicity I am going to simply focus on one aspect of this statement, his allegation that John's record keeping on the 10* plays is wrong. I find that if people are not convinced by 1 or 2 undeniable pieces of evidence then 300 or 400 will not change their minds.

2)JR007 in this post states that he believes John's record on 10* plays to be, and I quote - "1-1 on the 10*"

3) Here are links to Johns THREE 10* plays clearly posted up to the time JR007 made his post
Play 1 -http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-bettin...l#post11383293
10* Play on Dallas plus the points. The spread closed Dallas +6 and they lost by just 3 to the Jets - WINNING PLAY
Play 2 - http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-bettin...l#post12132057
10* Play UNDER Dal/Phil. The total closed at 51 and the combined total at end of game was 41 -WINNING PLAY
Play 3 - http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-bettin...l#post12230307
10* play UNDER Bal/Pit. Total closed at 42 and score was 43 - LOSING PLAY

This third play is important, for several reasons and we will return to them.

4) It is clear therefore that at the time of JR007's post John was holding a record of 2-1 in the 10* plays. As I said above, please check these yourselves, the links are all here above to make is simple.

5)JR007 then makes a rebuttle to my claim he has made a mistake. In post 1996 - http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-bettin...l#post12380349 - he makes the statement "the last 10* play a few pages back he did not post as a official play, check for yourself" - well guess what? I did go and check. The play JR007 is referring to is the Under play in the Ravens/Steelers game. NOWHERE does John say this does not count, in fact he diligently and accurately includes it as a loss in his record. (You can see his next record count here - http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-bettin...l#post12331771)

6) JR007's comment is extremely revealing. First he is clearly wrong about John not including the Baltimore/Steelers play. This should be clear evidence to all of you that JR007 is not someone who should be trusted or relied upon to be an objective eye on the play record. But secondly it reveals an even bigger flaw in JR007.

7) If, as JR007 claims - and please let us all remember that he is wrong, but I shall humor him for the sake of providing further evidence of his lies/errors - John did not include this third 10* play, then clearly and undeniably his record stands at 2-0. The evidence of the first 2 winning plays is documented above. Now here I must admit an error. Earlier I said that JR007 showed that he missed the third play and was therefore 33% off when compiling stats here. I unwittingly gave JR007 more credit than I should. He cannot compile a record of TWO plays and therefore he is 50% off when compiling stats here. But however you look at it, JR007's opening statement that John is carrying a 1-1 record is completely wrong and he actually incriminates himself here by stating that he has ignored the only losing 10* play. So where did JR007 come up with a losing 10* play to find a record of 1-1? The answer is he made it up!

8) Therefore it is clear, evidenced and demonstrated that JR007 must not be trusted. He is either a liar or so incompetent at simple accounting that must be discarded, or in fact it is both.

Now for the appeal to readers. I do not claim that John's record is 100%, I have actually been through the thread and I have links to the 5* plays and I can tell you all that the numbers I get are much closer to Johns than they are to JR007's (I can send these to anyone who requests them). But the point is that this is John's thread, he posts the plays and the proof and if any of you have an issue with it, or questions then send him a private message and ask him a question - do not post it in the thread. John will reply as he always has done to me. This is his thread and it is for his NFL picks, he did not title it "I can keep 100% accurate records" (although for the record I beleive he does), nor did he title it "question my credibility" .. so please do not do either. ASK HIM PRIVATELY YOURSELF and let those of us who have made money following all his pays continue to do so and continue to benefit from the discussion that is focused on NFL handicapping.

My second appeal is this- ignore JR007 everywhere on this forum. I have shown clearly he is not to be trusted from either a credibility or honesty stand point. John Ryan is far more open, honest and even though John's spelling can suck and his writing can be a little confusing (sorry John), he is the person to ask if you have questions not JR007!

Thanks and happy Thanksgiving to you all!

[jjaycuny]

Nice work, creditsforedits, Happy Thanksgiving

[vividjohn45]

the moral of the story is if he has difficulty posting an accurate record (with all his numbers and database skills) do not post a record at all, he wants it both ways, showcasing his (inaccurate) record as a capper, making people think he is better than he really is.....shameless..not a good way to advertise his business, but all this generates hits for the website, which he was brought in here to do........ANYWAY, the writeups are entertaining....... so do the other 6 tout sheets i read weekly

hey . man u were asked to post threds for ur record 1-3-1 keeping.

where are they?


u a total tard or what?

so stfu til u post ur thred.s with ur 1-3-1 record keeping

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jr0007 big thankgiving dinner with his kids and family









Jr007: "glad i faded john ryan last week at 1-3-1 so we could afford this thanksgiving dinner."

jr007jr " fuk u dad. u had to use ur sbr gift point card to buy us thankgiving dinner cuz all u did was fade john ryan nfl this season"

jr007wifey "john ryan is a stud"

jr007: "what?!!!!!"

jr007princess: "can we pray, now."


don't forget the taters, jr.

[GS_pAcKeRsFaN]

I like the the under 55.5 on the pack vs det game, even though i am a packers fan I believe with the hostil enviroment/crowd noise could pose some problems for rodgers and the pack. Also with det front line and the packers' less than steller o line i expect rodgers to be under some heat today. James Starks is questionable for the game as well.

** I know many expect this to be a shootout but last year the game was 7-3 i believe? correct me if im wrong. I think this game could come down to the D.

[GS_pAcKeRsFaN]

For the Miami vs Dallas game I am some what skeptical on who to pick with miami coming out of the woodworks their past 3 games, my gut says dallas but they have f@%!ed me in the past failing to cover the spread. Moore is playing pretty good at QB for the dolphins and their D is looking pretty good as well but im expecting dez and witten to make some big plays, Dallas can put up points in bunches the over/under 44 is whats appealing to me in this game. The past 3 games miami is avg 24 points a game while dallas is averaging 26. Also this game is in dallas so weather will not come into play, I expect there to be some points put up with that said I am going over 44

I would appreciate feedback being that these our my opinions and findings, with others throwing their 2 cents in it will help to make a well rounded informed decision before gametime. Thanks and happy thanksgiving to all

[GS_pAcKeRsFaN]

To me the balt SF game is the most appealing yet complex game of the day. We all know the Harbaughs will be duking it out but this will be a tuff game to pick. The obvious pick to many would be the over since its only at 38.5 but SF and Baltimore have two of the best D's in the league, Baltimore's D has given up some points the past few weeks though allowing an average of 22, while SF past 3 games have only given up 12.6 per contest. Both teams have key guys with nagging injuries that could keep them out of the game/affect their performance, Ray Lewis the center piece of the ravens D is in question and Frank Gore for SF has been limited in practice with his nagging knee injury. I believe the current line is Baltimore -3.5 (home field advantage) but I like SF offence over Balt as well as SF's D over Baltimores. with Baltimore struggling with cincy and a loss against the Seahawls I am going to take the red hot niners at -3.5

[rockhardfister]

For the Miami vs Dallas game I am some what skeptical on who to pick with miami coming out of the woodworks their past 3 games, my gut says dallas but they have f@%!ed me in the past failing to cover the spread. Moore is playing pretty good at QB for the dolphins and their D is looking pretty good as well but im expecting dez and witten to make some big plays, Dallas can put up points in bunches the over/under 44 is whats appealing to me in this game. The past 3 games miami is avg 24 points a game while dallas is averaging 26. Also this game is in dallas so weather will not come into play, I expect there to be some points put up.

I would appreciate feedback being that these our my opinions and findings, with others throwing their 2 cents in it will help to make a well rounded informed decision before gametime. Thanks and happy thanksgiving to all

Everyone loves Dallas on TDay. Can they deliver? Certainly. I think Miami's Defense will be too physical today for a Dallas cover. They have only given up 1x TD in last 12 QTRs and played very well against Giants in NY. This is more than a trend. Its borderline complete domination. I saw what they did to the Chiefs and Bills and cant bank on them letting up today. Matt Moore is playing with house money and looking for a big NFL contract. Im rolling Phins.

As a Packer fan, im happy to hear you thoughts on the game. I too believe this is a close game in hostile territory. It wouldnt surprise me if the Pack just turned on the afterburners but im Taking the points here.

[khicks26]

vividjohn45, that shit is to dam funny.

[GS_pAcKeRsFaN]

Everyone loves Dallas on TDay. Can they deliver? Certainly. I think Miami's Defense will be too physical today for a Dallas cover. They have only given up 1x TD in last 12 QTRs and played very well against Giants in NY. This is more than a trend. Its borderline complete domination. I saw what they did to the Chiefs and Bills and cant bank on them letting up today. Matt Moore is playing with house money and looking for a big NFL contract. Im rolling Phins. As a Packer fan, im happy to hear you thoughts on the game. I too believe this is a close game in hostile territory. It wouldnt surprise me if the Pack just turned on the afterburners but im Taking the points here.

I completly agree with you on the fins looking great I just dont know how moore will react to demarcus ware and the pressure, not enough confidence for me to take the fins. What is your opinion on the over/under?

[Jedi Mind Picks]

hey . man u were asked to post threds for ur record 1-3-1 keeping. where are they? u a total tard or what? so stfu til u post ur thred.s with ur 1-3-1 record keeping ----------------------------------- jr0007 big thankgiving dinner with his kids and family Jr007: "glad i faded john ryan last week at 1-3-1 so we could afford this thanksgiving dinner." jr007jr " fuk u dad. u had to use ur sbr gift point card to buy us thankgiving dinner cuz all u did was fade john ryan nfl this season" jr007wifey "john ryan is a stud" jr007: "what?!!!!!" jr007princess: "can we pray, now." don't forget the taters, jr.

[ohnevah]

^^LOL

but yeah game is lookin like its gonna hit under

[VTranX]

Nice call.

[GS_pAcKeRsFaN]

^^LOL but yeah game is lookin like its gonna hit under

a packers lead and the under is looking great.. couldnt be happier

[PickMeAwinner]

Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Derty D]

For Thanksgiving Day: Play a 5* graded play 'UNDER' Green Bay/Detroit. Current line is 56 -110 at more than half of the books and I would not be surprised to see it rise to 57. Work for 57 or 57 1/2 since there is still more than 15 hours+ till game time. There is nothing wrong with simply accepting the 56 point level.

Looking STRONG Mr. Ryan! =)

<7-0 at half>

I wanted to send you props during the game although it is not over and I do not know how it will end, your UNDER 56 looks super strong.

BOL the rest of the week!

Derty D

[Jedi Mind Picks]

Nice work on the under John, well done.

[yD]

Good call. I'm pissed that I didn't have enough balls for a straight play and only put it in a parlay, though.

[rockhardfister]

Refs set the tempo for this game in the 1st half. Once the Lions got inside the 30 the yellow flags started flying and every call I saw was complete BULLSHIT.

[IllyPhilly[DOC]]

Yea the refs were GB sided the whole game, ridiculous how a million dollars for the refs changes everything. LOL!!!

[sweethook]

john as a good tread going and you kids just tryin to fuk it up ,

[BING23]

good call again john!!!