Ok, I am going to put a stop to this JR007 nonsense right here and right now and then make an appeal to all the readers and those who benefit from this thread.

I will clearly and undeniably demonstrate, with proof, that JR007 is either a) a liar or b) so completely wrong with extremely simple record keeping that he cannot be trusted unless he provides what must now be a heavy burden of proof.

I will try to break this down so simply that even he will be able to understand, and this is not a personal attack on him. Simply it is to establish that you must NOT just accept what someone says (that even includes mr Ryan and myself - please go back and check the evidence I am supplying here for yourselves).

1) JR007 makes his allegation in post 1987 - http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-bettin...l#post12374173 - In the interests of brevity and simplicity I am going to simply focus on one aspect of this statement, his allegation that John's record keeping on the 10* plays is wrong. I find that if people are not convinced by 1 or 2 undeniable pieces of evidence then 300 or 400 will not change their minds.

2)JR007 in this post states that he believes John's record on 10* plays to be, and I quote - "1-1 on the 10*"

3) Here are links to Johns THREE 10* plays clearly posted up to the time JR007 made his post
Play 1 -http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-bettin...l#post11383293
10* Play on Dallas plus the points. The spread closed Dallas +6 and they lost by just 3 to the Jets - WINNING PLAY
Play 2 - http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-bettin...l#post12132057
10* Play UNDER Dal/Phil. The total closed at 51 and the combined total at end of game was 41 -WINNING PLAY
Play 3 - http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-bettin...l#post12230307
10* play UNDER Bal/Pit. Total closed at 42 and score was 43 - LOSING PLAY

This third play is important, for several reasons and we will return to them.

4) It is clear therefore that at the time of JR007's post John was holding a record of 2-1 in the 10* plays. As I said above, please check these yourselves, the links are all here above to make is simple.

5)JR007 then makes a rebuttle to my claim he has made a mistake. In post 1996 - http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-bettin...l#post12380349 - he makes the statement "the last 10* play a few pages back he did not post as a official play, check for yourself" - well guess what? I did go and check. The play JR007 is referring to is the Under play in the Ravens/Steelers game. NOWHERE does John say this does not count, in fact he diligently and accurately includes it as a loss in his record. (You can see his next record count here - http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-bettin...l#post12331771)

6) JR007's comment is extremely revealing. First he is clearly wrong about John not including the Baltimore/Steelers play. This should be clear evidence to all of you that JR007 is not someone who should be trusted or relied upon to be an objective eye on the play record. But secondly it reveals an even bigger flaw in JR007.

7) If, as JR007 claims - and please let us all remember that he is wrong, but I shall humor him for the sake of providing further evidence of his lies/errors - John did not include this third 10* play, then clearly and undeniably his record stands at 2-0. The evidence of the first 2 winning plays is documented above. Now here I must admit an error. Earlier I said that JR007 showed that he missed the third play and was therefore 33% off when compiling stats here. I unwittingly gave JR007 more credit than I should. He cannot compile a record of TWO plays and therefore he is 50% off when compiling stats here. But however you look at it, JR007's opening statement that John is carrying a 1-1 record is completely wrong and he actually incriminates himself here by stating that he has ignored the only losing 10* play. So where did JR007 come up with a losing 10* play to find a record of 1-1? The answer is he made it up!

8) Therefore it is clear, evidenced and demonstrated that JR007 must not be trusted. He is either a liar or so incompetent at simple accounting that must be discarded, or in fact it is both.

Now for the appeal to readers. I do not claim that John's record is 100%, I have actually been through the thread and I have links to the 5* plays and I can tell you all that the numbers I get are much closer to Johns than they are to JR007's (I can send these to anyone who requests them). But the point is that this is John's thread, he posts the plays and the proof and if any of you have an issue with it, or questions then send him a private message and ask him a question - do not post it in the thread. John will reply as he always has done to me. This is his thread and it is for his NFL picks, he did not title it "I can keep 100% accurate records" (although for the record I beleive he does), nor did he title it "question my credibility" .. so please do not do either. ASK HIM PRIVATELY YOURSELF and let those of us who have made money following all his pays continue to do so and continue to benefit from the discussion that is focused on NFL handicapping.

My second appeal is this- ignore JR007 everywhere on this forum. I have shown clearly he is not to be trusted from either a credibility or honesty stand point. John Ryan is far more open, honest and even though John's spelling can suck and his writing can be a little confusing (sorry John), he is the person to ask if you have questions not JR007!

Thanks and happy Thanksgiving to you all!