EZStreet theft, deception and TheRx whitewashing Video (banned at TheRx)

[Swinging Johnson]

All Wilheim has to do is acknowledge that he was wrong and a bit biased and change his decision and come clean about the lies and untruths. I know its hard to do once the ball has started rolling but its not too late. He can still make this right.

Right, exactly what I am alluding to but here's the thing. I don't honestly believe he knows the entire truth. I think he genuinely believed what he was being told initially but has now started to crticially analyze the situation and perhaps has given merit to a side he never considered. That's all Im saying here.

[KGambler]

You know K, I think you're picking up what I am putting down but I would say that I am not convinced he was "in on it." He may have been and maybe I'm being naive but I'd like to think his heavy handed tactics, for which he is famous for, have been misconstrued as a grand conspiracy rather than a severe overreaction to the situation. The man may be oafish but can we give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance? I sensed some integrity in his post. Go ahead and laugh, maybe I'm worthy of being naive but I don't think we should assume that because he is abrupt, rude and obstinate that he lacks integrity....perspective definitely but I cannot crucify a man I don't know.

We will have to agree to disagree on some of these points. I see what you are saying, and it is hard to really know what someone is thinking. Human psychology can be very hard to understand. I know a guy who is a great salesman, primarily because he has the ability to believe his own bullshit. And when he is working for a place, you cannot get him to admit that they use shady tactics. He will talk about his employer as if they are the one trustworthy business within a shady industry. As soon as he changes jobs, he will tell you how corrupt they were and about all of the dirty tricks they used... To a degree, people rationalize their behavior and even "believe" their own lies. But at some level, when they really think about it, they know damn well what they are doing.

That's my opinion anyway. Again, it is sometimes hard to nail down what people actually believe, if they are able to delude even themselves, etc. Human beings are ruled primarily by emotion, not by logic. In Western culture, we place a huge value on reason and logic and we always want to know "why did he do that"? But the reality is that human beings are animals and emotions are going to determine many of our decisions/behaviors.

Shilheim will tell you, until he is blue in the face, that he gets absolutely no benefit from siding with Easy Street Sports in this case. This is just ridiculous. But if I had to guess, I think his relationship with them goes even deeper than him being the head mod of theRX and them being a site sponsor. He lives close to their offices, and the head mods at theRX are, or at least used to be, encouraged to find sponsors on their own. They then receive (unless things have changed in recent years) special royalties for those clients they are responsible for bringing in. If I had to guess, Shilheim has some special relationship with them. I find it hard to believe he would go to such lengths to protect them unless this were the case. He has basically destroyed his own reputation, not to mention that of theRX.

You could be right... maybe he is just extremely stubborn and foolish, but in my opinion it is more likely that he is also corrupt. I guess it is possible that his many lies and patently unfair practices/decisions could be the result of some "natural" bias mixed with gross incompetence. Personally, I think there is more to it though.

[pokerplayer22]

Right, exactly what I am alluding to but here's the thing. I don't honestly believe he knows the entire truth. I think he genuinely believed what he was being told initially but has now started to crticially analyze the situation and perhaps has given merit to a side he never considered. That's all Im saying here.

Hopefully you're right then. I hope he is starting to consider that he might be wrong. After all, can 95% of unbiased posters (with nothing to gain) be wrong???

[benjy]

Right, exactly what I am alluding to but here's the thing. I don't honestly believe he knows the entire truth. I think he genuinely believed what he was being told initially but has now started to crticially analyze the situation and perhaps has given merit to a side he never considered. That's all Im saying here.

Well, it seems to me that either:

1) He sucks at what he's supposed to do (investigate objectively)

or

2) He's a dishonest POS.

Neither of which are good things. Why anyone would go to TheRx, especially in comparison to SBR, eludes me entirely.

[Swinging Johnson]

We will have to agree to disagree on some of these points. I see what you are saying, and it is hard to really know what someone is thinking. Human psychology can be very hard to understand. I know a guy who is a great salesman, primarily because he has the ability to believe his own bullshit. And when he is working for a place, you cannot get him to admit that they use shady tactics. He will talk about his employer as if they are the one trustworthy business within a shady industry. As soon as he changes jobs, he will tell you how corrupt they were and about all of the dirty tricks they used... To a degree, people rationalize their behavior and even "believe" their own lies. But at some level, when they really think about it, they know damn well what they are doing.

That's my opinion anyway. Again, it is sometimes hard to nail down what people actually believe, if they are able to delude even themselves, etc. Human beings are ruled primarily by emotion, not by logic. In Western culture, we place a huge value on reason and logic and we always want to know "why did he do that"? But the reality is that human beings are animals and emotions are going to determine many of our decisions/behaviors.

Shilheim will tell you, until he is blue in the face, that he gets absolutely no benefit from siding with Easy Street Sports in this case. This is just ridiculous. But if I had to guess, I think his relationship with them goes even deeper than him being the head mod of theRX and them being a site sponsor. He lives close to their offices, and the head mods at theRX are, or at least used to be, encouraged to find sponsors on their own. They then receive (unless things have changed in recent years) special royalties for those clients they are responsible for bringing in. If I had to guess, Shilheim has some special relationship with them. I find it hard to believe he would go to such lengths to protect them unless this were the case. He has basically destroyed his own reputation, not to mention that of theRX.

You could be right... maybe he is just extremely stubborn and foolish, but in my opinion it is more likely that he is also corrupt. I guess it is possible that his many lies and patently unfair practices/decisions could be the result of some "natural" bias mixed with gross incompetence. Personally, I think there is more to it though.

Well stated. It's refreshing to be able to have a difference of opinion without the name calling. Point taken and you could very well be right about him. I believe his post gave me cause for pause that perhaps, he's not as evil as many have purported him to be. Now that doesn't mean I'm ignorant of his boorish behavior at the Rx because I am not. But just because someone may be a pain in the ass doesn't mean he's a thief. That being said, there is little doubt he definitely has some skin in this game and could not be viewed as an independent arbiter of this problem. SBR should have been the sole definitive word on this and Easy Street would have come out of this without a blemish to their reputation if they abided by SBR's ruling.

[KGambler]

Hopefully you're right then. I hope he is starting to consider that he might be wrong. After all, can 95% of unbiased posters (with nothing to gain) be wrong???

Forget about Shilheim... what I really want to know is what the hell Easy Street Sports is thinking?

Independent experts like the "Wizard of Odds" and "CasinoMeister" have now weighed in. They know the "expert" report is bullshit and they are close to blacklisting this casino. Like you said, most every unbiased poster is disgusted by the conduct of EasyStreetSports.com in this case.

Do they really think they can stay in business under these circumstances? It really does make you wonder if they are capable of paying Cory the $46K, even if they wanted to.

[Scooter]

Shillheim discovers that God is on his side, which gives him the strength and inspiration to continue fronting for a group of thieves:

"To go off track a bit just now I received an email from a friend who has been watching this dispute but remaining silent (I am not really a deeply religious person despite 12 years of parochial school education, you could describe me as being agnostic and I would not argue with you but that is not germane in anyway to this dispute) here is what it said:

Wil, on this day of your life, I believe God wants you to know that this is not the end, but the beginning. All endings start something better. It is inevitable.
Here is God's promise: Life proceeds, it never recedes. Life progresses, it never regresses. Not even death ends anything, so how much can this particular event matter?

Be well your friend, XXXXX
---------
Probably some of you will scoff at such a message from a friend but in all honesty it seem to come out of nowhere at the exactly the right time Tue, April 12, 2011 3:38:24AM EDT. I started writing this around 3AM EDT but have had several interruptions.

Again not being religious the words themselves seemed quite appropriate for the moment. Amazing in a certain concept how things work in this manner when you most need them to. The email did make me feel better and realize that life indeed will go on after this incident is over."

Because many seem skeptical that God has gotten involved in this and is on Shillheim's side (and therefore on EZ's side), it's been reported that EZ is offering God a weekend in CR ("a vacation paradise") including a First Class airplane ticket if he'll take a lie detector test affirming that he sides with Shillheim.

One report claims they sent him a counterfeit airplane ticket, and he's been detained.
EZ claiming it wasn't counterfeit, just that their bank account was momentarily "underfunded" and the airline wouldn't honor the ticket , but instead they're offering God 2 $5 freeplays (good on Wednesday only between 2:00 and 2:15 AM) to make up for the inconvenience.

[KGambler]

Easy Street Sports is on Don Best's list of top ten sports books.

Does anyone know what the forums are like over there? Is it an open forum? Will they be interested in hearing about this case? I know DonBest is a very famous service, but what I want to know is if they are shills or are they reputable. I mean, I see that SBG Global is also one of their top ten rated books, so it seems like they might be bought and paid for. Does anyone have info on how responsive they are to player theft by one of their sponsoring books?

[purecarnagge]

I kind wish sbr was still involved and giving an update? Too much bullshit in all these posts.

[Fishhead]

Easy Street Sports is on Don Best's list of top ten sports books.

Does anyone know what the forums are like over there? Is it an open forum? Will they be interested in hearing about this case? I know DonBest is a very famous service, but what I want to know is if they are shills or are they reputable. I mean, I see that SBG Global is also one of their top ten rated books, so it seems like they might be bought and paid for. Does anyone have info on how responsive they are to player theft by one of their sponsoring books?

DB also currently has BetUS in their top ten.



If one currently has these three books currently listed in their top ten, forget about them being unbiased in any way, shape, or form.

[pokerplayer22]

Forget about Shilheim... what I really want to know is what the hell Easy Street Sports is thinking?

Independent experts like the "Wizard of Odds" and "CasinoMeister" have now weighed in. They know the "expert" report is bullshit and they are close to blacklisting this casino. Like you said, most every unbiased poster is disgusted by the conduct of EasyStreetSports.com in this case.

Do they really think they can stay in business under these circumstances? It really does make you wonder if they are capable of paying Cory the $46K, even if they wanted to.

First, I dont think that they have the 46k to pay...or else they would have already.

Second, i dont think they really care about their reputation or how their image is being ruined. I think that they are hoping they can survive this and if not, then they'll just close the doors, wait 3 months, and open up under a new name

[skrtelfan]

I kind wish sbr was still involved and giving an update? Too much bullshit in all these posts.

Easy Street not only refused to allow SBR to mediate they specifically told Justin7 not to contact them. Not much else SBR can do after Justin's comprehensive video summarizing the situation. The only thing that's changed since then are WizardofOdds offered to mediate with the assistance of Bob Dancer and Wilhelm said he'd never heard of WizardofOdds before and thought it was a poker site, and Casinomeister essentially said EasyStreet hadn't proven squat, but they didn't really add anything Justin7 didn't already say.

[Counterfeit Cash]

Because many seem skeptical that God has gotten involved in this and is on Shillheim's side (and therefore on EZ's side), it's been reported that EZ is offering God a weekend in CR ("a vacation paradise") including a First Class airplane ticket if he'll take a lie detector test affirming that he sides with Shillheim.

One report claims they sent him a counterfeit airplane ticket, and he's been detained.
EZ claiming it wasn't counterfeit, just that their bank account was momentarily "underfunded" and the airline wouldn't honor the ticket , but instead they're offering God 2 $5 freeplays (good on Wednesday only between 2:00 and 2:15 AM) to make up for the inconvenience.

[Fishhead]

What a travesty...........

[boatboatboat]

FH what is the deal here?

All bull shit aside?

WTF is the deal?

IS Will doing what he thinks is right, or what he is being "paid" to do?

[Fishhead]

FH what is the deal here?

All bull shit aside?

WTF is the deal?

IS Will doing what he thinks is right, or what he is being "paid" to do?

At this point, your guess is as good as mine.

[cory1111]

the deal is , I have to apologize to an accomplice to theft.

[boatboatboat]

I know that, just do it.

"**** will I am sorry. I said some shit I shouldn't have. Crap i was mad. 46k means the world to me, it's a shit load of cash. Hell half the time I was posting I was buzzed. I was wrong. You tried to help me, I thank you for that. You have tried to help lot's of people, you are an old hand at this, you have done it many times. keep in mind, this is my ONE and ONLY time of ever doing this. Please help me, I don't know what to do"

See....... it's not that hard.

[TheMoneyShot]

I have a few questions directed to card players out there. I never tried online poker... I don't think I ever will. My philosophy is very simple... any game done with software or mechanical parts can be rigged. Correct? Meaning... it can be programmed to payout only a certain amount. What's the name of the software company in question again? DGS? Correct me if I'm wrong... I apologize... but my point being... the software must be programmed only to pay out so much for every hand on the server. Meaning... gambling is a business... what are the odds to hit 3 Royal Flushes in a 48 hour period? The software should only allow a player to hit so many times.

Again... I'm not a card player. I refuse to play a game that has a "possibility" of being rigged so my winning percentages are totally out of my control. But... how many card players who have used this software at various books have hit big? Or let's just say 1 Royal Flush? I'd really like other sports books to get involved amongst themselves and discuss the probability of this happening to them (and I'm sure they are talking about it as we speak.)

My questions are:

1. If this software is programmable what is the payout ratio per percentage? (I know... like we would ever know?) Just asking.

2. Has anyone ever heard of 1 person, a friend, anyone hitting a Royal Flush on this software. (Other than cory)

3. Has any sports book had to ever pay out a figure of this magnitude on this typical software?


So again... my theory is... something malfunctioned. DGS is saying we didn't do it.... there's no way our software could produce this. It's out of our hands. Easy Street said it could of been a server issue or the Player used a ROBOT. I believe anything is possible.

Again, this is my opinion... if I supervised a casino or online sportsbook. If the rumor is true that this player "AT ONE TIME" did any chargebacks for any deposit at Easy Street... the player would not be granted the win or the payout. It's absurd for any player to think any casino would pay them out for any winnings at said casino after any **********. You would be insulting my intelligence to think anything more.

However... if said player "NEVER DID ONE **********" at Easy Street... I would have no other choice but to grant the win to the player. Regardless, even if it was a server malfunction etc. That would be our company's bonehead error. We should have our own server back ups in case of a malfunction. But if there was cold hard evidence he was playing with a ROBOT... naturally I wouldn't award the win.

[boatboatboat]

Bots do not improve your chances of winning, they simply make you play faster.

[sharpcat]

the deal is , I have to apologize to an accomplice to theft.

Nothing wrong with admitting that you acted like a child especially when it involves $46K.

If you would have spent more time attempting to organize a way that you thought was fair to prove that you did not use a bot and less time name calling/bumping threads you may have been able to organize the vegas trip before A final decision was made.

[Fishhead]

I have a few questions directed to card players out there. I never tried online poker... I don't think I ever will. My philosophy is very simple... any game done with software or mechanical parts can be rigged. Correct? Meaning... it can be programmed to payout only a certain amount. What's the name of the software company in question again? DGS? Correct me if I'm wrong... I apologize... but my point being... the software must be programmed only to pay out so much for every hand on the server. Meaning... gambling is a business... what are the odds to hit 3 Royal Flushes in a 48 hour period? The software should only allow a player to hit so many times.

Again... I'm not a card player. I refuse to play a game that has a "possibility" of being rigged so my winning percentages are totally out of my control. But... how many card players who have used this software at various books have hit big? Or let's just say 1 Royal Flush? I'd really like other sports books to get involved amongst themselves and discuss the probability of this happening to them (and I'm sure they are talking about it as we speak.)

My questions are:

1. If this software is programmable what is the payout ratio per percentage? (I know... like we would ever know?) Just asking.

2. Has anyone ever heard of 1 person, a friend, anyone hitting a Royal Flush on this software. (Other than cory)

3. Has any sports book had to ever pay out a figure of this magnitude on this typical software?


So again... my theory is... something malfunctioned. DGS is saying we didn't do it.... there's no way our software could produce this. It's out of our hands. Easy Street said it could of been a server issue or the Player used a ROBOT. I believe anything is possible.

Again, this is my opinion... if I supervised a casino or online sportsbook. If the rumor is true that this player "AT ONE TIME" did any chargebacks for any deposit at Easy Street... the player would not be granted the win or the payout. It's absurd for any player to think any casino would pay them out for any winnings at said casino after any **********. You would be insulting my intelligence to think anything more.

However... if said player "NEVER DID ONE **********" at Easy Street... I would have no other choice but to grant the win to the player. Regardless, even if it was a server malfunction etc. That would be our company's bonehead error. We should have our own server back ups in case of a malfunction. But if there was cold hard evidence he was playing with a ROBOT... naturally I wouldn't award the win.

1. The game, if on the up and up, has approximently a 99.6% payback with perfect strategy applied.

2. Yes, hundreds.......literally.

3. Yes

[HedgeHog]

the deal is , I have to apologize to an accomplice to theft.

Just fake it. Shouldn't be that hard for you.

[cory1111]

sharpcat wasnt my job to prove anything. Ez accused me. And there is nothing wrong with Wilheim admitting he was wrong in his decision.

[Justin7]

Nothing wrong with admitting that you acted like a child especially when it involves $46K.

If you would have spent more time attempting to organize a way that you thought was fair to prove that you did not use a bot and less time name calling/bumping threads you may have been able to organize the vegas trip before A final decision was made.

I don't think there was any way Cory was getting paid. EZ never produced any real evidence that a bot was used. Despite this, EZ insisted that Cory prove his innocence by taking a test in Costa Rica that they could guarantee he would fail. They ignored any proposal (such as watching him play at DGS, or Shackleford's Vegas/Polygraph test) that would have any chance of the player getting a fair shake.

Their latest demand for apologies (for mostly things that never happened) reminds me of a kid throwing a temper tantrum after getting a time-out. No matter what Cory offers to do, nothing will come from this.

[sharpcat]

sharpcat wasnt my job to prove anything. Ez accused me. And there is nothing wrong with Wilheim admitting he was wrong in his decision.

Just because it is not your job to prove it does not mean that you just sit back and make no attempt to.

If I played 17.6 h.p.m. and did not use a bot and they accused me of it I would have tried every approach possible to find a happy median where both parties would feel comfortable meeting to prove that I could play at that rate.

From what I saw instead of trying to reach a happy median you just sat back and insulted easy and Wilheim on these boards thinking if you made enough noise they would bow down to you all while assuming that you were guaranteed a fair trial in an unregulated industry. Poor assumption on your part!!!

[Fishhead]

I don't think there was any way Cory was getting paid. EZ never produced any real evidence that a bot was used. Despite this, EZ insisted that Cory prove his innocence by taking a test in Costa Rica that they could guarantee he would fail. They ignored any proposal (such as watching him play at DGS, or Shackleford's Vegas/Polygraph test) that would have any chance of the player getting a fair shake.

Their latest demand for apologies (for mostly things that never happened) reminds me of a kid throwing a temper tantrum after getting a time-out. No matter what Cory offers to do, nothing will come from this.

JUSTIN has been spot on with this almost since the beginning.

[cory1111]

sharpcat your enititled to your opinion, but its been excuse after excuse with EZ and Wilheim.

[scott235]

Also, let us not ever forget the sycophants with agendas who were shilling this book until it became inconvenient to do so. Thank you SBR for not deleting the inconvenient truth of past threads.

[Fishhead]

Also, let us not ever forget the sycophants with agendas who were shilling this book until it became inconvenient to do so. Thank you SBR for not deleting the inconvenient truth of past threads.

[sharpcat]

sharpcat your enititled to your opinion, but its been excuse after excuse with EZ and Wilheim.

I would love to see Easy give you the opportunity to demonstrate your ability and if you (or anybody for that matter) were to prove that this rate of play was achievable by a human I would be the first to extend my apologies for doubting you. I can not blame them for not having much interest as you not only went to great lengths to tarnish their reputation, and Wilheims, before a final decision was made but you also, to the best of my knowledge, never made the Las Vegas offer or anything like it publicly until they concluded the case was closed.

I personally started a thread 3 weeks ago suggesting that you organize a demonstration with SBR on their DGS platform or some type of median and no one took interest in it. Not sure why you and Justin7 did not come out earlier and challenge them publicly and prove you could play this fast????? This is not the Supreme Court here you should have proven yourself, no reason not to unless you could not.

[HedgeHog]

Have you drawn your $$$ out of EZ yet, Fish.

[TheMoneyShot]

1. The game, if on the up and up, has approximently a 99.6% payback with perfect strategy applied.

You can win 99.6% of the time???

Why have I been capping sports for 10 years? I should of been playing video poker????


99.6% winning percentage? How do you use perfect strategy? Do you count cards?

[benjy]

The hand histories need to be released. How can a play rate, or any other allegation, be established without this?

Why haven't they been released?

It's all pretty much moot anyway if DGS says there is no bot use anyway. This whole demonstration thing seems pointless, unless it's another tool to delay, or avoid, paying out the winnings.

Again, why haven't the hand histories been released?

[HedgeHog]

You can win 99.6% of the time???

Why have I been capping sports for 10 years? I should of been playing video poker????


99.6% winning percentage? How do you use perfect strategy? Do you count cards?

I think he meant it was paying back $99.60 per $100 bet--a small loss.