Ok, seems this "fact" is bs then...
Fact! The Sbr group has taken a % of player dispute settlements.
Fact! The Sbr group has taken a % of player dispute settlements.
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I can now be bothered.
Of course ES asked Wilheim and the RX to handle it. ES pays their bills in part and they offered and almost guaranteed "decision" in favour of the book. Of course they asked their business partners to handle the matter rather than a neutral party. ES seems to consider this a point in their favour, that they "approved" Wilheim's custodianship of the matter.Wilheim was the ONLY person that was asked by both cory1111 and EzStreet for help in resolving a very tough dispute and he made a decision in this case was quite clear and as far as we are concerned FINAL.
The truth is the opposite - asking a potentially biased 3rd party over a neutral one looked suspicious to say the least, and the suspicion was well vindicated as it turned out.
It's my sincere opinion that ES's sincere opinon is more based on the fact that Wilheim is a business partner (indirectly) of ES and that he returned the totally expected favourable verdict, than any actual facts pertaining to Wilheim's whitewash.It is our sincere opinion that Wilhelm is a very unbiased moderator that had assisted in numerous disputes over the years, and he deserves more respect & understanding especially now more than ever for his willingness to still try and help cory1111, even though cory1111 actively participated in attacking a very honest man, calling him a liar, a thief, trying to smear an impressive record of service to the people of the RX community and the gaming industry in general.
This wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that he was barred at the RX, would it? Pretty hard not to stand back when you can't actually stand forward.Cory1111 sat back for selfish reasons while others engaged in the same actions and never once stood up for a man that answered his call for help, just because he (cory1111) didn’t like the reflection in the mirror that Wilhelm shined upon him during this investigation.
Or that the "reflection" was largely a concoction of incompetent bullshit posted by an anonymous "expert", all of whose statements have been shown to be largely nonsensical?
Or that he never actually requested Wilheim's mediation in the first place?
Where to start? WTF is in charge of this place? Did they ship in the Barbary Apes from Gibraltar?We (EzStreet) refuse to engage in any further communication with cory1111 until he publicly apologizes to Wilheim, admitting that he did indeed ask for his help multiple times on this matter. He must post this on THERX, SBR and the other places he posted this garbage about a solid man, he must also publicly release SBR & Justin7 as his chosen mediators on this matter as we never at any time asked for their assistance or ever agreed for them to arbitrate.
Then and only then will we even consider moving forward on this issue, in a manner considered fair to all parties, as was, is and have always been our intentions since day one.
So this "decision" was not final after all? It's now open again pending an "apology"? Assuming such an idiotic request was granted, then...what? What is ES now proposing? In the very first paragraph they said it was "FINAL" - their caps. HTF do you move forward after a "FINAL" decision?
Since they're not communicating with him now anyway, why are they "refusing" to so do? Didn't we know this already?
Why must he "release" a neutral 3rd party from mediation tasks? Why does he not have choice on such a matter? And why is this even relevant, since ES no longer appears to recognise SBR's involvement anyway, and they even state as such?
Easystreet is really covering the Costa Rica sportsbook industry in glory right now. I can see US congressmen just lining up to change their stance on online gambling on the basis of all this. Spencer Baccus is a given.
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Look SBR you need to drop them to F .You know at this point they will never pay Cory .We (EzStreet) refuse to engage in any further communication with cory1111 until he publicly apologizes to Wilheim, admitting that he did indeed ask for his help multiple times on this matter. He must post this on THERX, SBR and the other places he posted this garbage about a solid man, he must also publicly release SBR & Justin7 as his chosen mediators on this matter as we never at any time asked for their assistance or ever agreed for them to arbitrate.
Then and only then will we even consider moving forward on this issue, in a manner considered fair to all parties, as was, is and have always been our intentions since day one.
I am sure the book is gonna go south soon .
Drop then to F . And if they pay Cory and publicly apologize to him reinstate them to D .
Enough is enough . Drop these low life scums to F and save some players funds .
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He has? On what terms?Originally posted by Kgambler
Was this posted somewhere?Comment -
.....WALT DISNEY would have a hard time drawing up some of these ideas in his prime...........
1. Come to Costa Rica for a polygraph
2. Throw a 46k video poker contest party with Cory's money
3. Donate 46k to a Costa Rican charity with Cory's money
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This is what he proposed to EZ Street (two separate posts) at the RX. Their request for an apology was in response to this.
"Wilheim I am willing to fly to Vegas and take the video poker test rather than Costa Rica. Why cant I prove my so-called innocence there?"
"Hello Wilheim,
I am writing this on the forum so everyone can see and there is no more confusion in this situation. IF EZ agrees to Mr. Shackleford to pick the polygraph, can Mr. Shackleford pick the questions as well, and share them with the Rx and Sbr representive present at that time to see if they are fair questions? If so, we can proceed in discussing the video poker test, such as the full game logs being shown to compare my play and my requirements for the test itself.
thanks,
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SBR isn't the new kid on the block. It's quite obvious that they (SBR) care when someone tries to screw you over. Who else is going to fight for you when a book owes you 20k+? Good luck fighting it on your own.
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I will second that. In 2004, I asked to withdrawal $18,000 from V-Wager.com and the book gave me all the excuses in the world in not paying me. I took a chance with SBR... (I said to myself... who else are you going to get to bat for you?) Bill Dozer emails me back... asked me exactly what happened... I told him... In a matter of a few business days he gets to the bottom of everything. V-Wager sent me $8,000 in 14 days... and then I requested everything in my account (fearing they were ready to go under) $16,000 in the next 30 days. I believe 60 days after that V-Wager went bankrupt? SBR didn't ask me for $1.00... not one dollar. Again, I still don't know how they do it??? But they get'er done
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By wilheim the crook regarding easy sleaze statement
My two cents on the matter..
Before I say anything here is the group of posters I particularly want to address, all of you have addressed this thread in one negative way or another since EasyStreet made their post after I had gone off-line last night because as you can see I do get up early:
As of now I am addressing the following posters listed along with the number of posts they have made in this thread basically saying the same thing "Easystreet is a joke" in one form or another, since 8:46PM EDT on Monday when EasyStreet made their post.
The List:
everygamblersDream 2 posts
Bigbet1234 2 posts
Fishhead 2 posts
Carolina Kid 4 posts
Boatboatboat
Douglas
Airfoil 2 posts
T Hawk
TryTryTry ( a real disappointment)
Stylez
Goblue34
Greenhead 2 posts and the only name on this list who I am sorry to see. GH does have a significant understanding of the offshore industry and what makes it tick. Plus has had his own run in with books over the years but in his case it is because he is extremely sharp.
Soonerdawg1
GoingBroke
Willye 2 posts
Jstack34
Johnyangel
Vegas Bob
PlaysnFades
PublicMoney
celticGreen (feel kinds of bad to see CG in this)
By my count there are 21 posters who seem to care enough to post since the EasyStreet post for whatever their reasons..Out of this group I don't think I have had any problems in the past with the exception of Carolina Kid and unfortunately Greenhead (again for whom I do hold a real respect). CK - I am not going to ban Barman because you two can't get along, sorry.
I will just say that in my post yesterday morning around this time I posted the following statement
"Cory1111, I will present your proposal to EasyStreet Upper Management without prejudice. In other words the decision is totally up to them - and went on to make some observations and possible issues that would need to be addressed in regards to Cory1111's proposal before it could be accepted in any form (none of my comments included an apology) that was post #188 by wilheim.
To go off track a bit just now I received an email from a friend who has been watching this dispute but remaining silent (I am not really a deeply religious person despite 12 years of parochial school education, you could describe me as being agnostic and I would not argue with you but that is not germane in anyway to this dispute) here is what it said:
Wil, on this day of your life, I believe God wants you to know that this is not the end, but the beginning. All endings start something better. It is inevitable.
Here is God's promise: Life proceeds, it never recedes. Life progresses, it never regresses. Not even death ends anything, so how much can this particular event matter?
Be well your friend, XXXXX
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Probably some of you will scoff at such a message from a friend but in all honesty it seem to come out of nowhere at the exactly the right time Tue, April 12, 2011 3:38:24AM EDT. I started writing this around 3AM EDT but have had several interruptions.
Again not being religious the words themselves seemed quite appropriate for the moment. Amazing in a certain concept how things work in this manner when you most need them to. The email did make me feel better and realize that life indeed will go on after this incident is over.
Back to my original thoughts, yes it is true as someone put it in his post above is I could careless if Cory apologizes ever. However that apparently is not how the main man at EasyStreet feels, I am not talking about The GM or any other employee but the main man who I spoke to when I presented the proposal by Cory1111 yesterday.
That was a four way call involving myself and three reps from EasyStreet including the top guy..I hung up not really sure what was coming and most certainly did not request an apology to be requested but do appreciate the fact that regardless of what you skeptics think they did feel that before they would make any further attempts to resolve this to everyone's satisfaction with Cory1111 he needed to apologize for whatever negative and untrue comments he made..
I have no wish to be the cause of this process to not give Cory every chance in the book to prove his innocence but like I posted I cannot dictate what EasyStreet does since I made my ruling.
That ruling regardless of what any of you think of it is accurate and reflects the results of my investigation. Of that I am 100% convinced as most of you would be if you had been with me since March 13th..I am not going to rehash the case again here in this post, it has all been posted in a number of posts already.
I just want to point out one point in the EasyStreet post after asking for the apology (he can post "ya I didn't mean it" as an apology for all I care) they left the door open to Cory1111 still, despite everything, getting his money.
At the bottom of their post # 283 it says if there ever is an apology:
"Then and only then will we even consider moving forward on this issue, in a manner considered fair to all parties, as was, is and have always been our intentions since day one".
So taking that into consideration and despite all of the doubters, mind you I really don't give a rat's ass if I get an apology or not but some people do and I cannot ignore that I will say this. If this case is going to proceed forward or end right here and now it is up to Cory1111 to make the next move one way or another..The fact is like or not that is EasyStreet's lone condition at this time that will still keep hopes alive that Cory1111 may yet see the $46K.
Otherwise I am going to ask (keyword is ask) EasyStreet to give the entire $46,000 away to mainly Costa Rican charities and maybe some posters who will show they deserve it by doing what so far Cory1111 has refused to do, (polygraph aside btw that is an issue involving only Cory)...
Laugh, mock, call bullshit all you want, I don't care this is how I feel about the case right now. Tomorrow will mark one month that I have been dealing with this dispute..I will not be sorry to see it end one way or another..Cory can prove me as well as the highly qualified expert I was fortunate enough to have involved wrong if he can and is willing to do so.
Whether or not this case continues now rests in the hands of Cory1111 and his advisors if he indeed has any by this point.
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Heres the quote from Bryan(casinomeister) and hes one of the most respected guys in this bizz.
In case you're wondering, yes this issue was brought to my attention last week and I've been in contact with Michael Shakleford about this.
My feelings run with Michael's:
a) it's possible that the player played these hands
b) it's possible that the player won the RFs legitimately.
c) he needs to be paid.
Further - if the player is willing to undergo testing via a third party (like Michael suggested), he should be given this opportunity.Comment -
By wilheim the crook regarding easy sleaze statement
My two cents on the matter..
Before I say anything here is the group of posters I particularly want to address, all of you have addressed this thread in one negative way or another since EasyStreet made their post after I had gone off-line last night because as you can see I do get up early:
As of now I am addressing the following posters listed along with the number of posts they have made in this thread basically saying the same thing "Easystreet is a joke" in one form or another, since 8:46PM EDT on Monday when EasyStreet made their post.
The List:
everygamblersDream 2 posts
Bigbet1234 2 posts
Fishhead 2 posts
Carolina Kid 4 posts
Boatboatboat
Douglas
Airfoil 2 posts
T Hawk
TryTryTry ( a real disappointment)
Stylez
Goblue34
Greenhead 2 posts and the only name on this list who I am sorry to see. GH does have a significant understanding of the offshore industry and what makes it tick. Plus has had his own run in with books over the years but in his case it is because he is extremely sharp.
Soonerdawg1
GoingBroke
Willye 2 posts
Jstack34
Johnyangel
Vegas Bob
PlaysnFades
PublicMoney
celticGreen (feel kinds of bad to see CG in this)
By my count there are 21 posters who seem to care enough to post since the EasyStreet post for whatever their reasons..Out of this group I don't think I have had any problems in the past with the exception of Carolina Kid and unfortunately Greenhead (again for whom I do hold a real respect). CK - I am not going to ban Barman because you two can't get along, sorry.
I will just say that in my post yesterday morning around this time I posted the following statement
"Cory1111, I will present your proposal to EasyStreet Upper Management without prejudice. In other words the decision is totally up to them - and went on to make some observations and possible issues that would need to be addressed in regards to Cory1111's proposal before it could be accepted in any form (none of my comments included an apology) that was post #188 by wilheim.
To go off track a bit just now I received an email from a friend who has been watching this dispute but remaining silent (I am not really a deeply religious person despite 12 years of parochial school education, you could describe me as being agnostic and I would not argue with you but that is not germane in anyway to this dispute) here is what it said:
Wil, on this day of your life, I believe God wants you to know that this is not the end, but the beginning. All endings start something better. It is inevitable.
Here is God's promise: Life proceeds, it never recedes. Life progresses, it never regresses. Not even death ends anything, so how much can this particular event matter?
Be well your friend, XXXXX
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Probably some of you will scoff at such a message from a friend but in all honesty it seem to come out of nowhere at the exactly the right time Tue, April 12, 2011 3:38:24AM EDT. I started writing this around 3AM EDT but have had several interruptions.
Again not being religious the words themselves seemed quite appropriate for the moment. Amazing in a certain concept how things work in this manner when you most need them to. The email did make me feel better and realize that life indeed will go on after this incident is over.
Back to my original thoughts, yes it is true as someone put it in his post above is I could careless if Cory apologizes ever. However that apparently is not how the main man at EasyStreet feels, I am not talking about The GM or any other employee but the main man who I spoke to when I presented the proposal by Cory1111 yesterday.
That was a four way call involving myself and three reps from EasyStreet including the top guy..I hung up not really sure what was coming and most certainly did not request an apology to be requested but do appreciate the fact that regardless of what you skeptics think they did feel that before they would make any further attempts to resolve this to everyone's satisfaction with Cory1111 he needed to apologize for whatever negative and untrue comments he made..
I have no wish to be the cause of this process to not give Cory every chance in the book to prove his innocence but like I posted I cannot dictate what EasyStreet does since I made my ruling.
That ruling regardless of what any of you think of it is accurate and reflects the results of my investigation. Of that I am 100% convinced as most of you would be if you had been with me since March 13th..I am not going to rehash the case again here in this post, it has all been posted in a number of posts already.
I just want to point out one point in the EasyStreet post after asking for the apology (he can post "ya I didn't mean it" as an apology for all I care) they left the door open to Cory1111 still, despite everything, getting his money.
At the bottom of their post # 283 it says if there ever is an apology:
"Then and only then will we even consider moving forward on this issue, in a manner considered fair to all parties, as was, is and have always been our intentions since day one".
So taking that into consideration and despite all of the doubters, mind you I really don't give a rat's ass if I get an apology or not but some people do and I cannot ignore that I will say this. If this case is going to proceed forward or end right here and now it is up to Cory1111 to make the next move one way or another..The fact is like or not that is EasyStreet's lone condition at this time that will still keep hopes alive that Cory1111 may yet see the $46K.
Otherwise I am going to ask (keyword is ask) EasyStreet to give the entire $46,000 away to mainly Costa Rican charities and maybe some posters who will show they deserve it by doing what so far Cory1111 has refused to do, (polygraph aside btw that is an issue involving only Cory)...
Laugh, mock, call bullshit all you want, I don't care this is how I feel about the case right now. Tomorrow will mark one month that I have been dealing with this dispute..I will not be sorry to see it end one way or another..Cory can prove me as well as the highly qualified expert I was fortunate enough to have involved wrong if he can and is willing to do so.
Whether or not this case continues now rests in the hands of Cory1111 and his advisors if he indeed has any by this point.
Thank you, wilheim
Practically almost this entire statement/post is completely bewildering..........and sure there are many more that feel the same.Comment -
No doubt about it on this issue, Cory1111 needs to be paid!Comment -
what?Fact! SBR owns and operates Loose-lines out of the Jazz Sports offices.
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It seems to me like Wilhelm is backpedaling a bit now...he came off early on as the end all-be all in this whole dispute once they gave him control as a mediator, now after the backlash he is touting as if he has no real power at all...seems like he didn't expect the response to fall on the other side of things the way it has.Comment -
Wilhelm is a total scumbag...what a pathetic past few days for this clown.Comment -
dang ole makes me want to cryComment -
hell I was just thrilled to make a listComment -
Kinda disappointed I didn't make the list, I'll try harder next time.Comment -
Personally (and I have absolutely no skin in this game and am even banned at the Rx), it is clear this entire situation has been handled clumsily at best and conspiratorially at worst. Justin's critical analysis and subsequent report was devastating.
That being said, I can't help but find that Wilhelm's candor regarding his friend's message brings a certain degree of humanity to the situation and though his tone may smack of backpeddling to many, I believe it to be refreshingly candid.Comment -
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I'm pretty sure one can be both candid and wrong at the same time.Comment -
Precisely. It seems that everyone wants to paint people in black and white. It makes the mental filing system easier. While Wilhelm is not considered a likeable guy by most, it doesn't mean we have to view every single the man says with a jaundiced eye. Did he have serious lapses in judgment? No question about it, as it's quite obvious the overwhelming opinion about who's right and who's wrong is clearly against him and Easy Street.
If you want to believe he was complicit in this cover-up and the entire strategy was well choreographed, then he's a villain, plain and simple. However, if you're of the opinion that he may have been biased but did not consciously conspire with Easy Street, then I think you have to allow that his reconsideration has to be respectfully acknowledged though not necessarily applauded.Comment -
I actually know what you are saying. Reading his post, I couldn't help but feel a little bit sorry for him. It's funny, because I am sure he is a liar and a shill, but I guess it's a normal human reaction to feel pity for someone who's world is crumbling around them. I bet if we could listen in on Moumar Qaddafi's conversations right about now, we would be surprised to hear him talk like someone who legitimately feels betrayed and wronged. We might even be moved to feel pity for him, although pure logic would suggest that we should not.
Yes, his post was very pathetic and does arouse some sense of pity. The fact that his post isn't even completely rational just makes it that much worse. It doesn't sound like he is in a good place right now.Comment -
Again I hate to reiterate,but it should of never have come to this point. The tests alone and the casino logs( which still havent been shown) should of been sufficient evidence enough.Comment -
You know K, I think you're picking up what I am putting down but I would say that I am not convinced he was "in on it." He may have been and maybe I'm being naive but I'd like to think his heavy handed tactics, for which he is famous for, have been misconstrued as a grand conspiracy rather than a severe overreaction to the situation. The man may be oafish but can we give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance? I sensed some integrity in his post. Go ahead and laugh, maybe I'm worthy of being naive but I don't think we should assume that because he is abrupt, rude and obstinate that he lacks integrity....perspective definitely but I cannot crucify a man I don't know.Comment -
All Wilheim has to do is acknowledge that he was wrong and a bit biased and change his decision and come clean about the lies and untruths. I know its hard to do once the ball has started rolling but its not too late. He can still make this right.Comment -
Of course not. And I certainly am not saying that Shilheim is in any way a victim. He brought this on himself with his blatant shilling and lying. Logic tells me that Shilheim has a bit of a martyr complex and is just feeling sorry for himself and that I should just think "boo-hoo, cry me a ******* river". All I am saying is that, in spite of myself, I felt some pity for him when I read that pathetic post. That's all I am saying. I still think he is a crook.Comment
