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  • Optional
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    Warning - OrbitX - Betinasia - Bet-IBC SCAM ALERT

    SBR users continue to be scammed by these rouge Betfair partners.

    Today we see yet another report of fake losing cricket bets added to an OrbitX account to drain the balance and as always, the broker acting like this is unknown to them and is the customers fault.

    EVERYONE IN THE INDUSTRY KNOWS ABOUT THIS. Do not let them lie to you or make you think that they really think you are at fault.

    If you get ripped off, complain to Betfair about their partner OrbitX or the scammy broker who is lying to you that they think it's your fault.




    I want to share something. The owner of Betinasia reached out to me a month or two ago acting ignorant and wanting to know why I would think that Betinasia and OrbitX have been scamming many people.

    I am going to post my response to him as he never responded even after reaching out to me for a conversation.

    DO NOT BE TRICKED. THE BROKER INDUSTRY AND ORBITX ARE A BROKEN SYSTEM. DON"T TELL ANYONE TO USE THEM ANYMORE. TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED NOW.



    Reply to Betinasia owner asking why SBR would think they are a scam; (no response ever came back)


    The opinion comes after many attempts to reach out to you to help both yourselves and users resolve problems with BetInAsia accounts being drained, and getting stonewalled or ignored or simply given nonsense responses from your staff.

    There have been way too many complaints about balances going missing from your account holders who are then given no respect or assistance to investigate or properly resolve the issue. It became very obvious over time that BIA are involved in draining customer accounts or covering up the issue.

    To seriously try to tell me Betinasia has never had a problem in 10 years tells me you are probably no less of a waste of time to talk to as your customers have found your staff over many years. Do you really believe that?? There is little point to a conversation if you do. Please educate yourself about your own company before wasting my time trying to "discuss" anything.

    If you want to know any specifics, you are welcome to use the forum search function. Here are a few threads to get you started;




















    And these are just some public posts. There have been a lot more privately submitted complaints about BIA which mostly sound like the exact same MO. Even when many people came to you saying I have never bet cricket and large cricket bets have appeared in my account and all lost draining it you tried to treat them like THEY are the lying scammers. Over and again, the same response. We know that your company knows, as you use a standard response to the victims we see over and again.

    Did you really not realize your company is this terrible?

    If you want to discuss anything with me you'll need to show some openness and honesty. I have wasted as much time as I ever plan to trying to help resolve problem reports for BIA with arrogant company reps who just stick their head in the sand and deny everything as customers continue to be shafted.

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  • Optional
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    Originally posted by Dani83
    Hello,The same crap happened to me recently at BET-IBC. Some cricket bets were placed in my absence. Of course they say the blame lies with me......phishing sites or password sharing. What are the possibilities? I would be happy to receive some information.


    Unfortunately, you are one of dozens OrbitX are involved in stealing from.

    They wont help anyone.

    My advice is always report Orbit to Betfair as a rouge partner and ask if they will help you.

    Enough complaints might see Belfair punishing them and compensating victims.

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  • Dani83
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    Orbitx-Account

    Hello,The same crap happened to me recently at BET-IBC. Some cricket bets were placed in my absence. Of course they say the blame lies with me......phishing sites or password sharing. What are the possibilities? I would be happy to receive some information.



    Originally posted by ahlem05
    I have been "hacked" in Orbit too, beginning of December. 5600 Euro. I am one of the guys he is speaking about in the German youtube video. I am from Austria. Registe
    red via brokerstorm. Just text me, there seem to be a lot of cases. OrbitX is not helping at all to get the money back. I also never entered a password at a phising website. I have been customer for about 10 years there, never had this problem. So let's get together and do something about it together.

    Please all who were scammed contact me via PM. I cannot because I don't have 40 postinngs

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  • Vet0909
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    Bolsadeaposta - New Broker from Betfair Scammers

    Hello. I've been working with them for three months. During this time I made 6 deposits, everything was fine. Yesterday after the next deposit, the funds were not credited to the account.Deposits are accepted only through Tether.Support service is not responding (they never answered). The only connection info@bolsadeaposta.com.

    Please help me with anything, the deposit amount is very large, I’m in despair

    Sorry for my English

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  • Craig22
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    Asian Connect no longer accepting/ allowing U.S. Residents

    Hello,

    Are there any brokers accepting U.S. clients or any reputable agents that offer Pinnacle and Orbit accounts?

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  • Alfie White
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    I would argue that you have no clue what you talk about Maikiti, you joined basically yesterday and some users here have 5+ years experience in certain brokers' wrongdoings. Thus, your opinion might be valid, but doesn't carry too much weight.

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  • Maikiti
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    I will consider your opinion as valid, but based on my reviews and research from people using both mentioned agents, as well as a few others, PremiumTradings and Betinasa are not scammers. The bigger concern lies with the group of brokers and bookmakers/tools under the umbrella of Bet-Ibc.However, you are absolutely correct about the overall reliability of these agents. One should exercise caution and consider them only as a last resort

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  • Optional
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    Originally posted by Maikiti
    And how they proved themselves as a scammers?
    Multiple complaint cases and threads on here where accounts have obviously been drained and they refuse ANY assistance and treat the customer like they are criminal and some sort of idiot.

    They were given the opportunity to explain themselves multiple times but reacted to all attempts at ADR mediation just like we would expect scamming thieves to.

    Do not even talk about Betinasia on SBR unless it's to warn people away.


    Same for PremiumTradings. Banned from discussion as another scam outfit. The entire agent system is broken and none of them can be fully trusted anymore IMHO.
    Last edited by Optional; 09-04-23, 07:33 PM.

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  • craftbrewer
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    Trustpilot is not a good indicator. Almost all brokers and bookmakers have a very low rating on Trustpilot. For example, Betfair rating is just 1.4 on Trustpilot. So If I trusted Trustpilot rating, I would think Betfair is a scam according to Trustpilot.

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  • Maikiti
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    That's a lot of negativity, in the arb forum I saw more problems with the D/W. Seems they are lacking professionalism last few month. It seems they have been lacking professionalism in the last few months.

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  • povis
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    Not great reviews for Betinasia https://www.trustpilot.com/review/betinasia.com

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  • Maikiti
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    And how they proved themselves as a scammers?

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  • acltear
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    Is Asian Connect recommended? Any other brokers?

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  • Optional
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    Originally posted by randomuser
    I think betting only with the Betinasia Black platform (mollybet) is much safer.
    Betinasia are proven scammers. Over and again.

    Do not recommend them on SBR ever again please.

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  • randomuser
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    I think betting only with the Betinasia Black platform (mollybet) is much safer.

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  • craftbrewer
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    Originally posted by Optional
    This thread is old.

    These brokers can no longer be trusted.

    Quite a few threads on here describing how users have had their OrbitX accounts drained and Betinasia in particular will not help users and appear to be involved in the scam themselves.
    I don't know if it is just a coincidence or not, but after Orbit finally added 2-step authentication a couple of months ago, there is no more new cricket fake bets complaints on Orbit accounts.

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  • Alfie White
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    Sportmarket is still spotless, not a single complaint of any sort I've seen online. Betinasia on the other hand... oh boy.

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  • Optional
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    Originally posted by Namtambo
    what amount to be considerable a high roller?
    This thread is old.

    These brokers can no longer be trusted.

    Quite a few threads on here describing how users have had their OrbitX accounts drained and Betinasia in particular will not help users and appear to be involved in the scam themselves.

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  • Namtambo
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    what amount to be considerable a high roller?
    Originally posted by Ruifgalmeida
    Both are safe, sportmarket are better but are made to a more high roller bettor, they will charge for deposit/withdrawal.
    Betinasia are more from small bettor you can open a mollybet for only 100€, no deposit/ withdrawal fees, pretty sure that they cut the odds by 0.02 margin.
    The platform is basically the same mollybet.
    Personal I prefer sportmarket

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  • tristello
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    Good news: after some days BetinAsia transfered money to my account :-)

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  • tristello
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    I will try. Keep you posted

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  • Optional
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    Originally posted by tristello
    It was a post pay bank transfer. I don't know if Poste Italiane permit to revoke the transfer. And it is 20 days now, do you think I can ask to revoke after so many days? I tried mailing them asking for help... :-(
    If it was a wire transfer, then 20 days is fine I am sure.

    I'd get on the phone with them Tristello. They can do it for you and this is the exact situation revokes are designed for.

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  • tristello
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    It was a post pay bank transfer. I don't know if Poste Italiane permit to revoke the transfer. And it is 20 days now, do you think I can ask to revoke after so many days? I tried mailing them asking for help... :-(
    Last edited by tristello; 06-03-23, 01:57 AM.

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  • Alfie White
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    Since you are the remitter, you have every right to do what Opti said - you can revoke the transfer and/or you can ask for trace of the transfer. Regardless, if they said that word-for-word, that is bet-ibc level of customer support lol.

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  • Optional
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    Another dodgy BetInAsia report of missing funds.


    Using a broker as a US resident is now as risky as playing the shell game with a street hustler.

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  • Optional
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    Ask your bank to revoke it?

    BetInAsia has produced a constant flow of accusations that they have added fake bets and stolen funds for the last 12 months or so.


    Scam operation now imho.

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  • tristello
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    BetInAsia: A bank transfer DISAPPEARED

    This is my nightmare with BetInAsia:

    I have been an honest customer for many months, and I had no prob with them till now.
    2 weeks ago I decided to deposit EUR 2025 and, as usual, I sent a bank transfer to the IBAN indicated on their site.
    They mailed to me that in 2-5 working days my money will be in my account.
    Now two weeks passed , and my money is DISAPPEARED.
    They refuse to transfer the money to my account or to send back the money to my bank.
    I have all proof that money was sent and arrived to their bank.
    I have chatted and mailed one thousand times, but always the same answer:
    “we have big trafic, as soon as our bank will notify us your money we will transfer it to your account. We are not responsable for third part (the bank) behaviour”.
    Are you joking? What the bank you choose does is under your complete responsability, you have choosen them, not me.
    So I write this post hoping that someone can help me to recover my money (it is a very big amount of money for me). Someone has the contact of a betinasia manager? Chatting with young people of the support is totally unuseful, the say what their boss tell them to say: wait wait wait your money is safe. But I know that my money is not safe, my money is DISAPPEARED, and we are not speaking about betting on fixed match or arbitrage…. IT IS A BANK TRANSFER THAT DISAPPEARED AT ALL
    I am destroyed…. Ty for reading my post and please be aware of sending money to this broker….

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  • Shifty
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    Originally posted by bookie
    What's the deal with 4casters.io? They take your info and put you on a waiting list? You can't look at their prices or liquidity? Doesn't smell right.
    Someone I respect told me they've had payout issues. Never considered them after that.

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  • bookie
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    What's the deal with 4casters.io? They take your info and put you on a waiting list? You can't look at their prices or liquidity? Doesn't smell right.

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  • Optional
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    Originally posted by MeanPeopleSuck
    Did something change regarding Americans (idk, new law or something)? Seems like a year ago there were multiple places that at least looked the other way.
    20+ US states enacting laws that are enforcable to regulate sports betting is one big thing that has changed.

    Unless you are a 100% non-American and never want to go there or to any country that is a close ally of them, then you probably don't want to just ignore all those state's laws like brokers used to.

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  • GipRock
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    4casters.io

    very good for US sports, you may need an agent for it

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  • MeanPeopleSuck
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    Originally posted by ouzoun
    Dont even try it. Any broker accepting US bettors is a red flag already.
    Did something change regarding Americans (idk, new law or something)? Seems like a year ago there were multiple places that at least looked the other way.

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  • ouzoun
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    Dont even try it. Any broker accepting US bettors is a red flag already.

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  • Optional
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    Well welcome back but I don't think you are that easy to forget

    There are others around here that still use brokers. I'll leave any tips and recommendations to them.

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  • MeanPeopleSuck
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    Hey, awesome to see you again, Optional! Before I posted I figured the line on 'will Opti be the first to reply?' was even money.

    Quick follow-up: if I did chance OrbitX, any recommendations on which bet broker to approach and/or which country my VPN should be out of? I can't remember exactly -- gettin' old, I figure -- but are there maybe a couple brokers with "Asia" in their names or something(?)

    In any case, thanks very much and again, great to hear from you! (I figured the line of 'will anyone at SBR remember me?' at No -200, so you're an odds defying phenom!)

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