Fairlay currently stealing my btc, 6 figures

[Barrakuda]

Yes. Fairlay have spoken with SBR and shared their reasoning on proviso it is kept confidential.

Their CEO is considering the best way to handle the problem still.

We are optimistic a resolution of some sort will come soon.

Based on what you know, do you think what Fairlay has done thus far is appropriate? Not asking for info. on what happened, but rather whether you think the whole thing makes some sense now.

[jjgold]

stay away from fairlay

It is not a big book and they are seeding markets which means very risky

[Optional]

Based on what you know, do you think what Fairlay has done thus far is appropriate? Not asking for info. on what happened, but rather whether you think the whole thing makes some sense now.

I have not been given the full story.


But no, it sounds like Fairlay have painted themselves into a corner by making a decision to act, but not tell the player why.

I think they need to put their customers interests on a higher priority than a third party interests. And at the very least cut out the secrecy and tell the OP exactly what their problem is ASAP.

Give him a chance to explain, defend himself and at least make an argument against what is happening.

[Optional]

Reading between the lines this does not give me confidence degen1 will receive 100 percent of his funds back.

I respect that SBR has agreed to keep the reasons for Fairlay's behaviour confidential at their request while this situation is mediated. But can you confirm if degen1 is not paid in full then you will disclose the reasons Fairlay gave?

Otherwise, it leaves a big loophole for other sportsbooks to use this tactic in future disputes where SBR is trying to help the player retrieve funds that have been held with no reason given.

I don't know. I am unsure of their exact legal responsibilities.

But I agree he should be told everything and I would find it troubling if he isn't soon.

[degen1]

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[thespeculator]

Haven't seen a tweet from Fairlay recently. I used to get one everyday. So and so won 15k or 22k on some tennis match. Hope u get paid man. How long did it take you to build that kind of bankroll

[biccie]

I do also have very bad experience with this site. NOwadays, it is not easy to find bookmakers who can be trusted.

[littlekona]

I do also have very bad experience with this site. NOwadays, it is not easy to find bookmakers who can be trusted.

now what bad experience is this Biccie? maybe you can become the first legit one! And WTF u pop up complain about Fairlay an Nitro on another post with no info at all...then says trusted bookmakers hard too find...Dude I use like 8 books/agents daily and I trust everyone including nitro and fairly for many years no isssues...

PM me I will send you list of 10-15 good books who pay fast and are trustworthy

[lotuspod]

The only fundamental way to ensure things like this can't happen is a solution that allows bettors to retain control of their coins with their private key(s) throughout the process. But that brings a whole new set of issues in a kind of trade-off, mainly in that the user is responsible for their own security.

[DontTailMe]

The only fundamental way to ensure things like this can't happen is a solution that allows bettors to retain control of their coins with their private key(s) throughout the process. But that brings a whole new set of issues in a kind of trade-off, mainly in that the user is responsible for their own security.

I'm not following. How would that work? How would Fairlay have any security over you paying your debts on losses if you were controlling the coins? Maybe I just don't understand what you are proposing here.

[DroopyDog]

There have been a few times over the last year i have deposited to fairlay and then withdrew without betting due to either missing the start of game or a price change... had no issues but now im worried about depositing there, thinking they may use that against me at some point

[EVPlus]

There have been a few times over the last year i have deposited to fairlay and then withdrew without betting due to either missing the start of game or a price change... had no issues but now im worried about depositing there, thinking they may use that against me at some point

I think the potential is there for them to use it against people who do this.

[billyloco]

Post 213 seals this for me!

degen1 deserves a chance to defend hisself!

Starting vaca till 27th, NO INTERNET on my
pontoon just hanging out in the Gulf near
Cape San B las...Adios

[Barrakuda]

now what bad experience is this Biccie? maybe you can become the first legit one! And WTF u pop up complain about Fairlay an Nitro on another post with no info at all...then says trusted bookmakers hard too find...Dude I use like 8 books/agents daily and I trust everyone including nitro and fairly for many years no isssues...

PM me I will send you list of 10-15 good books who pay fast and are trustworthy

Why do you assume that bc you have not had a bad experience that no one else has? That's such a weird stance. In gambling, life, health, anything.

[fried cheese]

i hope we find out what this is about.

[Optional]

i hope we find out what this is about.

If Fairlay refuse to do the right thing, SBR may reconsider the position about honoring their request for non-disclosure.

[DroopyDog]

Theres no justification for Fairlay to hold the funds. Refund his balance, and if they dont want his business then close his account, tell him if they catch him with a new account they will then confiscate funds. The End.

[hustledouble]

This is one of the more bizarre and unfortunate threads I've seen on this forum.

[fried cheese]

If Fairlay refuse to do the right thing, SBR may reconsider the position about honoring their request for non-disclosure.

dunno if sbr should do that. it might make books hesitant to cooperate in the future. they can still downgrade and condemn fairlay if they were in the wrong. this dispute just seems interesting because of the third party thing and makes me interested.

[Optional]

I just meant tell the OP, not the world. And as last resort and only if a reasonable reason does not come up to not do that.

It feels wrong to be complicit through silence in something that appears unfair to a player we are supposed to be assisting.

I expect that Fairlay might decide to do that themselves still though.

[raiders72001]

Fairlay should have told the player day 1. What's going on is unacceptable.

[degen1]

This makes less sense over time. Nothing has happened so I don't know what this allegation could be, and while I originally gave them the benefit of the doubt because of a strong prior relationship, this looks worse and worse. I've also looked into other standards for exchanges or even banks - and everyone returns funds even in cases of violations of terms. I haven't even violated anything on their platform, they're just deciding to do this on their own.

Additionally, there were certain comments made by them to me that I won't yet disclose that I felt were pretty unprofessional that give me more pause in terms of trusting how this was handled. It doesn't make sense that anyone has more information than I do - and I still have none, which also raises questions about how these decisions are being made by their team.

[Craig22]

Post the comments. They will lose all their business if they do not pay you out one way or another. They should be blacklisted already over this wait time.

[littlekona]

Post the comments. They will lose all their business if they do not pay you out one way or another. They should be blacklisted already over this wait time.

Unless there is more to story then OP says...Fairlay business booming of late....best thing for both parties is SBR getting involved and direct communications w fairlay...SBR will get to bottom since they are the best.

[raiders72001]

Unless there is more to story then OP says...Fairlay business booming of late....best thing for both parties is SBR getting involved and direct communications w fairlay...SBR will get to bottom since they are the best.

Fairlay is a small shop with business declining the last 90 days. The US isn't the main market for Fairlay. They aren't going to get the huge boost for the NFL and NCAA football that other books get.

[degen1]

Clearly there's no court order nor is there some investigation b/c they were able to tell SBR what was going on... if it were more severe then details would not be able to be disclosed. Also I've not been approached by any third party separately. For all I know someone is just phishing for my information and Fairlay complied. I've never experienced anything like this, and it's pretty awful customer service.

I was a great customer, and contributed non insignificant volumes - I would be as bold to say one of their better customers. If I could get treated like this, it just shows no respect or appreciation for their users. I should have been given the benefit of the doubt among many other things, including transparency and an opportunity to refute any bullshit allegation that is holding up money that wasn't even ever credited to me. They've provided no service that they're supposed to in exchange for the deposit.

[TwitchySeal]

Clearly there's no court order nor is there some investigation b/c they were able to tell SBR what was going on... if it were more severe then details would not be able to be disclosed. Also I've not been approached by any third party separately. For all I know someone is just phishing for my information and Fairlay complied. I've never experienced anything like this, and it's pretty awful customer service.

I was a great customer, and contributed non insignificant volumes - I would be as bold to say one of their better customers. If I could get treated like this, it just shows no respect or appreciation for their users. I should have been given the benefit of the doubt among many other things, including transparency and an opportunity to refute any bullshit allegation that is holding up money that wasn't even ever credited to me. They've provided no service that they're supposed to in exchange for the deposit.

I still see tons of red flags from you: you ignoring all requests of exactly how much they are holding, tx IDs, what you were betting, overall vagueness and now "there were certain comments made by them to me that I won't yet disclose". Also, the brand new account made by someone who's clearly been around for a while.

Just seems like you know exactly what this is about, walking a thin line between putting public pressure on them without revealing too much information that might expose what actually happened.

I do agree though, that if your money just disappears without any further updates it will look super bad on Fairlay.

[degen1]

those shouldn't be any red flags, there's no point in providing that information since that isn't what they are disputing. i did not violate any terms on their platform, and the certain comments they made were unprofessional and insulting and I am not disclosing on good faith on their behalf.

[degen1]

it's not a brand new account, you're not paying attention to anything thats been said here, and you legitimately created an account for these posts. Disclosing how much they are holding, tx IDs gives you no important information and by not disclosing it does not make me any less legitimate or any more shady. They flagged this before the deposit that they are holding so the tx id is irrelevant as well as the amount. Also, revealing those things would also not reveal any information about what actually happened... You expose yourself for having awful logic by presenting my quotation when I'm not disclosing unprofessional comments that they made for their sake, not for mine.

Internet's a big place, just gonna catch a lot of idiots I guess.

[TwitchySeal]

those shouldn't be any red flags, there's no point in providing that information since that isn't what they are disputing. i did not violate any terms on their platform, and the certain comments they made were unprofessional and insulting and I am not disclosing on good faith on their behalf.

You should be as transparent as possible. You seem pretty bright, so I assume you understand that, and still think it's in your best interest to not be transparent.

Do you really think you're protecting them by saying

there were certain comments made by them to me that I won't yet disclose that I felt were pretty unprofessional

rather than just posting what they said?

[degen1]

Yeah I think I am still trying to settle this in good faith and exposing immature and unprofessional comments doesn't help me, you're just snooping. Also now you've basically just conceded that by not disclosing that information has nothing to do with my "shadiness" and that you just want to know for your own personal curiosity.

Also you and anyone else should know better that posting publicly transactions would be stupid from a privacy perspective.

[Barrakuda]

I think it's a reasonable to guess at this point that some of the coins deposited were stolen. Not necessarily by the OP, of course.

If so, it really goes to show how much more traceable crypto is than fiat currency. If you receive a large amount of crypto that is reported to you as stolen, what do you do? Sounds like Fairlay is trying to cooperate with an investigation and/or conducting their own. Generally, when you're being investigated, you're the last to know, so it would make sense that the OP is being kept in the dark by everyone.

Entirely possible that the Op is 100% innocent, of course. Fairlay might just be grabbing the funds for petty reasons for all I know. But this certainly looks like they are cooperating with an investigation of some sort.

[mrpapageorgio]

I think it's a reasonable to guess at this point that some of the coins deposited were stolen. Not necessarily by the OP, of course.

If so, it really goes to show how much more traceable crypto is than fiat currency. If you receive a large amount of crypto that is reported to you as stolen, what do you do? Sounds like Fairlay is trying to cooperate with an investigation and/or conducting their own. Generally, when you're being investigated, you're the last to know, so it would make sense that the OP is being kept in the dark by everyone.

Entirely possible that the Op is 100% innocent, of course. Fairlay might just be grabbing the funds for petty reasons for all I know. But this certainly looks like they are cooperating with an investigation of some sort.

I don't know why they don't just tell him that if that's the case. If he didn't steal them, then he can help them trace the thief on where he obtained the Bitcoin. If he did steal them, Fairlay already has the Bitcoin so there's no need to keep him in the dark and should just turn it into the authorities rather than play this role of quasi trustee/arbitrator they have no business of playing.

[mrpapageorgio]

Yeah I think I am still trying to settle this in good faith and exposing immature and unprofessional comments doesn't help me, you're just snooping. Also now you've basically just conceded that by not disclosing that information has nothing to do with my "shadiness" and that you just want to know for your own personal curiosity.

Also you and anyone else should know better that posting publicly transactions would be stupid from a privacy perspective.

in my experience and opinion these guys are scammers

Calling them scammers on another thread https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...irlay-p10.html does not exactly demonstrate trying to settle this in good faith if you're calling them that, but don't want to post the "unprofessional comments" they allegedly made.

Yes, Twitchy is probably snooping, but at the same time you took your grievance to a public forum rather than discretely filing an SBR complaint and letting them handle it quietly; so don't act surprised people want all of the details if you want your case played out in the court of public opinion.

[degen1]

I don’t really care if they do, but if someone comes at me with unsound logic or a cohesive argument I’ll rip it apart like I did. Discretion and pleasantries have been on a gradual decline as this takes longer and my patience dwindles

At end of day, without even an accusation, they are holding coin without a customers consent and without any services provided. That’s kind of the definition of theft/scamming. Regardless of what this is, a lot of it doesn’t make sense and the handling has been awful. Even if this gets resolved there has to be consequences and seemingly the only way to accomplish that is to let other people know how it was handled. They have definitely been sketchy, and my goal at this point has to go beyond just resolution of this specific matter bc of all this

Also originally I did just handle it quietly myself and then w SBR complaint, but this also helped catalyzed responses from Fairlay, even if they ended up being unhelpful