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  • horseface2721
    SBR Sharp
    • 12-21-11
    • 438

    #1296
    great call on the lakers under!
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    • Dave88
      SBR High Roller
      • 06-09-11
      • 130

      #1297
      Thanks LTA. The Lakers under got me out of a jam.
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      • ShaisterInc
        SBR Rookie
        • 12-27-11
        • 15

        #1298
        Well done!
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        • Love The Action
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 11-08-10
          • 10952

          #1299
          NBA 2011-2012 Regular Season 1/10/2012 Recap

          2 - 2 = -0.2x

          NBA 2011-2012 Season

          29 - 20 = +8.35x

          A very frustrating card as we miss a 3-1 night by 1/2 point in the Sac/Philly over, I was unable to play the Portland over because my computer died and I failed to play my lean on the over in the Cavs/Jazz game, all of which cost us 3x in profit. That is -ev. Nonetheless, every day starts fresh and so we move on. Good luck on Wednesday.
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          • ManBearPig
            SBR MVP
            • 12-04-08
            • 2473

            #1300
            Dam LT that SAC game was a bad result. Although I won, I think I got lucky, but after some of the beats I took this bowl season I'll take it. To make up for it you'll get a kick out of me taking the under on my Memphis play when I was supposed to take the over so I thought I just barely won, but I actually lost...it was only 1u play, but on me. Oh well, I'm getting a feel for these totals and it looks like I cashed the LAL game with you guys.

            I've left a lot of money with some of these totals the last week and it looks like the books are going to adjust as well as the play so we'll probably have some money to make on the over because most people will just start blind betting the unders. Actually going into tonight only 4 teams had more than 50% of their favor the over...SAC was one of those teams. I would look for that trend to continue with them as Keith Smart as coach...he's a Don Nelson disciple so expect a lot of offense and little defense with them (well in theory) Keep it up and on to tomorrow.
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            • Rolo1984
              SBR High Roller
              • 02-16-11
              • 204

              #1301
              Originally posted by Love The Action
              First, let me say what up to MBP! He is a great contributor to SBR and one of the few voices that I give a great deal of respect and deference to.

              With respect to the article, yes I am aware and have adjusted. However, so have the books. I am generally an under player in the NBA and you will see that more as the season progresses. However, in most of these fatigue spots, the books are overadjusting in favor of the under creating a large amount of value on the over. The hard part is picking your spots where the value will evidence itself on the court. I actually have a profitable record picking overs so far this season, so I feel that I have made the proper adjustments.

              If you look at all of those factors in the article, you should ask yourself whether these are likely to continue for the long term or if they will eventually start to regress to their long term league averages. The answer is the latter rather than the former.

              I always look to be proactive in my adjustments rather than reactive. Consequently, I try to figure out what the trends will be next few weeks as opposed to analyzing the trends from the past few weeks. I want to be ahead of the game. As soon as you see all of these articles popping up about the trend related to the lack of scoring, that is generally a signal that the same trend will not continue for much longer. The factors which have led to the lack of scoring will not continue forever. The question is when the tide will turn in favor of higher scoring games.

              Generally, to start any NBA season, scoring is down when compared to mid-season averages. In this season, that trend is even more pronounced because of the lack of a preseason. Consequently, we are at the stage now where we would be at from the beginning of a normal regular season. That is why you may see this lack of scoring trend continue for the immediate future. However, the tide is going to turn at some point and I would rather be ahead of the game with a prediction of when that will occur as opposed to behind in the game just hoping it continues.

              If you don't stay ahead of the books, you are doomed to be beaten by them.

              great reply many thanks. I am a total noob but kind of good with statistics. So was just wondering how you adjust for such factors. Seems difficult. Great read

              Tailing you as usual

              Keep up the good work!
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              • smflanagan
                SBR Rookie
                • 09-19-11
                • 31

                #1302
                LTA, where can I find your College Basketball Picks?
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                • NOREGRETS
                  SBR MVP
                  • 02-12-10
                  • 1326

                  #1303
                  Great play with the Lakers/Suns Under. Let's shoot for a sweep tonight. Thanks a million and keep up the hard work!
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                  • jck
                    SBR Hustler
                    • 08-02-10
                    • 75

                    #1304
                    Went 2-1 with a profit of .91 units with a push on the Sac/Phil over pick. Thanks LTA.
                    Good Luck my friend. Doing a great job.
                    jck
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                    • Love The Action
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 11-08-10
                      • 10952

                      #1305
                      Originally posted by smflanagan
                      LTA, where can I find your College Basketball Picks?
                      I dont play NCAAB.
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                      • Love The Action
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 11-08-10
                        • 10952

                        #1306
                        NBA 2011-2012 Regular Season 1/11/12

                        Play #1

                        Wizards/Bulls under (180.5) 1x (Locked)


                        Jumped on this right at the open. I expect an ugly game. Both teams are in a fatigue spot and I usually like to back the over in such spots, but I know the bulls very well and they have typically shoot poorly with a slow pace in similar situational spots in the past. Both teams won yesteday and shot very well. Therefore, with the fatigue and liklihood of a letdown, I think this is a great spot for the under. I have this game set at 178.5, so not a ton of value but I like this more for the qualitative factors and I'm rolling with the under for 1x. Good luck.
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                        • jas19illini
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 10-27-10
                          • 682

                          #1307
                          Originally posted by Love The Action
                          I dont play NCAAB.
                          That surprises me. From what I hear NCAA bball is rather soft when it comes to betting. Good money to be made if you focus on the smaller schools.
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                          • dynasty27
                            SBR Hustler
                            • 10-11-11
                            • 56

                            #1308
                            I like the play on the under there LTA.

                            One of my early leans is the OVER in the PHI/NY game. Should be a good pace to this game and at least no defense on the NY side. Also, PHI is on the end of a b2b2b.

                            Any thoughts there
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                            • NOREGRETS
                              SBR MVP
                              • 02-12-10
                              • 1326

                              #1309
                              Originally posted by Love The Action
                              NBA 2011-2012 Regular Season 1/11/12 Play #1 Wizards/Bulls under (180.5) 1x (Locked) Jumped on this right at the open. I expect an ugly game. Both teams are in a fatigue spot and I usually like to back the over in such spots, but I know the bulls very well and they have typically shoot poorly with a slow pace in similar situational spots in the past. Both teams won yesteday and shot very well. Therefore, with the fatigue and liklihood of a letdown, I think this is a great spot for the under. I have this game set at 178.5, so not a ton of value but I like this more for the qualitative factors and I'm rolling with the under for 1x. Good luck.
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                              • Trivial
                                SBR MVP
                                • 11-22-09
                                • 1328

                                #1310
                                Originally posted by Love The Action
                                NBA 2011-2012 Regular Season 1/11/12

                                Play #1

                                Wizards/Bulls under (180.5) 1x (Locked)


                                Jumped on this right at the open. I expect an ugly game. Both teams are in a fatigue spot and I usually like to back the over in such spots, but I know the bulls very well and they have typically shoot poorly with a slow pace in similar situational spots in the past. Both teams won yesteday and shot very well. Therefore, with the fatigue and liklihood of a letdown, I think this is a great spot for the under. I have this game set at 178.5, so not a ton of value but I like this more for the qualitative factors and I'm rolling with the under for 1x. Good luck.

                                Thanks LTA for all your work once again. I do not know basketball like I do football to contribute a lot, so I really appreciate your expertise and hard work.

                                I bought the Pinny line of 179.5 to 180 for -109.

                                Take care.
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                                • Love The Action
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 11-08-10
                                  • 10952

                                  #1311
                                  Originally posted by Trivial
                                  Thanks LTA for all your work once again. I do not know basketball like I do football to contribute a lot, so I really appreciate your expertise and hard work.

                                  I bought the Pinny line of 179.5 to 180 for -109.

                                  Take care.
                                  That's a +ev move as you got a great price for that 1/2 point.
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                                  • Love The Action
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 11-08-10
                                    • 10952

                                    #1312
                                    Originally posted by jas19illini
                                    That surprises me. From what I hear NCAA bball is rather soft when it comes to betting. Good money to be made if you focus on the smaller schools.
                                    Just because that's what people say, doesn't make it true.

                                    Personally, I just don't have time and cbb is too much work. Too many schools, player and coach turnover, dont know ref tendencies and the scheduling does not provide for consistent angles or player performances.

                                    I prefer to concentrate on mlb and nba and work to perfect my models and capping for max profit rather than wear myself thin trying to do too much. I model football for the challenge and fun as a bridge between mlb and nba. I think cbb would just be a distraction, plus I would need to develop a model from scratch. No thanks.

                                    Just my opinion though.
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                                    • Love The Action
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 11-08-10
                                      • 10952

                                      #1313
                                      Will the knicks drop to -3.5?

                                      If anyone sees that number at their book, please let us know. Thanks.
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                                      • Trivial
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-22-09
                                        • 1328

                                        #1314
                                        Originally posted by Love The Action
                                        That's a +ev move as you got a great price for that 1/2 point.
                                        Thanks LTA. Appreciate it.

                                        Is there any difference from -ev and +ev as you use both terms. Thanks.
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                                        • NOREGRETS
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 02-12-10
                                          • 1326

                                          #1315
                                          Originally posted by Love The Action
                                          Will the knicks drop to -3.5?

                                          If anyone sees that number at their book, please let us know. Thanks.
                                          -4 (-110) currently. Will let you know if it drops.
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                                          • balu000
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 01-07-12
                                            • 13

                                            #1316
                                            Originally posted by Trivial
                                            Thanks LTA. Appreciate it.

                                            Is there any difference from -ev and +ev as you use both terms. Thanks.
                                            +EV means an event or in this case a bet with positive expected value, while -EV is just the opposite, an event with a negative expected value.

                                            A quick poker example: you go all in on the flop, somebody calls. Based on your cards, you have 80% chance of winning, your opponent has 20%. His call was a -EV decision, as although he might win this time, in the long run this would be a bad decision. If the all in was 100$, then in this case he has 20% chance of winning a pot of 200, and 80% of losing the pot of 200, making his EV -120$.
                                            (Yes, I know I didn't take lots of poker related stuff into account, but it was a plain demonstration)
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                                            • Redscot
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 05-16-11
                                              • 2571

                                              #1317
                                              Originally posted by Love The Action
                                              Will the knicks drop to -3.5?

                                              If anyone sees that number at their book, please let us know. Thanks.
                                              Scary game as a Knick fan . The Sixers are playing as a unit, Synergy, and the Knicks have two big time scorers with no orchestrator. They have had the easiest schedule in the league thus far as well. Gonna take a big time effort from Carmelo/Stat here as Philly also has the superior bench. Philly won in a blowout last night and their vet's have not logged overwhelming minutes in their b2b games. Not like it is a heavy travel situation either........they had 2 games at home and are a hop skip and a jump from NYC.


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                                              • Andrewsurf
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 09-23-08
                                                • 219

                                                #1318
                                                Originally posted by Trivial
                                                Thanks LTA. Appreciate it.

                                                Is there any difference from -ev and +ev as you use both terms. Thanks.
                                                I'm sure LTA can do a much better job explaining this, but I'll try and condense it down into a nutshell.

                                                "EV" means "Expected Value," and it is tied to expected returns over time. Betting on a coin flip, where the outcome is exactly 50/50 over time, and getting even 1:1, or +100 odds on your bet would be a neutral EV play. Over time, you are expected to come out exactly even.

                                                If you made the same bet on the coin flip, but you could find someone to pay you odds of 2:1, or +200, you would come out ahead over time, and that bet would always be +EV. If the bookie wanted to charge you -110 odds, typical for an against the spread bet, it would be -EV. Over time, that extra juice would cost you money on a bet that only wins half the time.

                                                LTA can clarify much better and also explain how his models and system apply to EV. Thanks for your picks and knowledgeable approach! We need better examples of people like you who follow bankroll management and real handicapping. Keep up the good work!
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                                                • jas19illini
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 10-27-10
                                                  • 682

                                                  #1319
                                                  Originally posted by Love The Action
                                                  Will the knicks drop to -3.5?

                                                  If anyone sees that number at their book, please let us know. Thanks.
                                                  Are you saying we should bet it at -3.5 if it pops up?
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                                                  • NOREGRETS
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 02-12-10
                                                    • 1326

                                                    #1320
                                                    Damn Bulls total just jumped to 182.5 (-110).
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                                                    • jas19illini
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 10-27-10
                                                      • 682

                                                      #1321
                                                      Sh*t, my book has already jumped to 182.5 on the bulls game.
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                                                      • Cup Bound
                                                        SBR Rookie
                                                        • 01-10-12
                                                        • 6

                                                        #1322
                                                        Wizards/Bulls locked in at u183. Is this line going to continue to move?
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                                                        • Redscot
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 05-16-11
                                                          • 2571

                                                          #1323
                                                          I locked in at 182 1/2 thinking it was the high water mark...............
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                                                          • Gambler#1
                                                            SBR High Roller
                                                            • 01-05-12
                                                            • 136

                                                            #1324
                                                            Yeah Man this pick is wonderful..
                                                            Bulls make hard D in their home court,Wizards should score around 70-80 points..

                                                            Good luck LTA!!
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                                                            • Love The Action
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 11-08-10
                                                              • 10952

                                                              #1325
                                                              Originally posted by Love The Action
                                                              NBA 2011-2012 Regular Season 1/11/12

                                                              Play #1

                                                              Wizards/Bulls under (180.5) 1x (Locked)


                                                              Jumped on this right at the open. I expect an ugly game. Both teams are in a fatigue spot and I usually like to back the over in such spots, but I know the bulls very well and they have typically shoot poorly with a slow pace in similar situational spots in the past. Both teams won yesteday and shot very well. Therefore, with the fatigue and liklihood of a letdown, I think this is a great spot for the under. I have this game set at 178.5, so not a ton of value but I like this more for the qualitative factors and I'm rolling with the under for 1x. Good luck.

                                                              Play #2

                                                              76'ers/Knicks over (195.5) 1x (Locked)


                                                              I could have had 194.5, but my wager would not go through when the steam hit. Nevertheless, I like this play up to 197. The sixers are playing very fast efficient offensive basketball ranked top 10 in PACE and top 3 in OEFF . However, they are in a fatigue spot which I think hurts their solid defense tonight against a similarly fast paced offensive team. The knicks are rested and I expect them to run. However, philly is so deep, I dont think the knicks can shut them down with their improving defense. The refs are phillips, fehr and richardson, all who generally favor the over. Last season, this matchup did not see a total under 206 and I think a 10 point adjustment is just too much. I have this game set at 200, giving us solid value on the over. Based on the foregoing, I am rolling with the over for 1x. Good luck.
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                                                              • Gambler#1
                                                                SBR High Roller
                                                                • 01-05-12
                                                                • 136

                                                                #1326
                                                                in vegasinsider i see 65% drom the bets is on Under but steel the line is keep jumping up..

                                                                look like WIZ-TOR game last night,most of the bets go on tornto and steel the line jump..

                                                                very very strange..
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                                                                • Love The Action
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 11-08-10
                                                                  • 10952

                                                                  #1327
                                                                  Originally posted by jas19illini
                                                                  Are you saying we should bet it at -3.5 if it pops up?
                                                                  No...didnt say that....
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                                                                  • Love The Action
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 11-08-10
                                                                    • 10952

                                                                    #1328
                                                                    Not worried about the line move on the bulls under. It pisses me off, but the market expects more offense like last night from these teams. I do not. I am usually on the other side of these moves, so this is a bit annoying now two days on a row. Only time will tell. Gotta get back to work. Good luck to all.
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                                                                    • Trivial
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 11-22-09
                                                                      • 1328

                                                                      #1329
                                                                      Originally posted by balu000
                                                                      +EV means an event or in this case a bet with positive expected value, while -EV is just the opposite, an event with a negative expected value.

                                                                      A quick poker example: you go all in on the flop, somebody calls. Based on your cards, you have 80% chance of winning, your opponent has 20%. His call was a -EV decision, as although he might win this time, in the long run this would be a bad decision. If the all in was 100$, then in this case he has 20% chance of winning a pot of 200, and 80% of losing the pot of 200, making his EV -120$.
                                                                      (Yes, I know I didn't take lots of poker related stuff into account, but it was a plain demonstration)
                                                                      Thanks very much balu. This makes absolute perfect sense. Thanks!

                                                                      Last edited by Trivial; 01-11-12, 12:58 PM.
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                                                                      • bringdownthehous
                                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                                        • 02-14-10
                                                                        • 622

                                                                        #1330
                                                                        hawes is questionable too for this one...could be a major factor with chandler nd amare inside
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