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    usma1992
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    If you have been following my NCAAB... I am starting new NBA trial... tonight...

    Here goes... all my systems are back tested algorithms. Of course, it doesn't mean anything if it doesn't work moving forward. Many have checked out my college thread. It has been successful so far.

    Dave

    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET
    10:40 PM BROOKLYN 111 LA LAKERS 122 233 -7 227.5 Too Close Over

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    So starting out based on back tested algorithms... here is where the model sits. I have been running it for weeks trying to fine tune my picks. I am ready for a second tests.

    I produce my proprietary point totals then check to see where my model is weak or strong and compare it to where Vegas is weak and strong based on a few months of actual results.

    Here is the data at beginning of this trial
    Overs: 20-5 5% of games 80%
    Unders: 37-15 10% of games 71%
    Away-:14-6 4% of games 70%
    Home-: 23-5 5% of games 82%
    Away+: 2-0 <1% of games 100%
    Home+:3-0 <1% of games 100%

    Again, these games are back tested using an algorithm for each. I have conducted one trial and I was hitting right around 50%. I continue to upgrade. Starts today. Ideally, tonight's game has a 80% chance of hitting as an Over.

    Enjoy
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    That was an easy win... hopefully they come that easy later on. Regardless, do your thing.

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    1-0 So Far... here are my NBA bets... check out NCAAB... killing it.

    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET
    3:10 PM MILWAUKEE 139 DETROIT 106 246 13.5 244.0 Away Minus Too Close
    7:10 PM PHILADELPHIA 131 CHARLOTTE 100 232 11 229.0 Away Minus Too Close

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    0-2 Yesterday on NBA... I need to look at Away - bets. That is my first priority next week. However, I went 19-1 on college... NBA on this trial is 1-2. Here are todays bets... Be careful... 2 Away- bets...

    The Teach

    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET Actual Away Actual Home
    6:10 PM DENVER 142 WASHINGTON 99 241 13.5 238.0 Away Minus Over 0 0
    7:10 PM BOSTON 128 HOUSTON 104 232 11 227.0 Away Minus Too Close 0 0
    10:10 PM PORTLAND 104 LA LAKERS 123 227 -10.5 227.5 Too Close Under 0 0

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    Based on todays..today's... information... I'm going to make some minor adjustments after the games are played.

    The Teach

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    Made one major adjustment... I try and use Vegas spread against themselves. I adjust all the current statistics based on the level of competition they play. I adjust the favorites stats up a little and underdogs down a little.

    However, I think there is so much parity in pro sports that I was making too large of an adjustment. I changed my weighting which obviously changed all my past results. So I did a complete revamp with adjusted algorithms. I went 0-4 yesterday so I had to make some adjustments.

    I knew I jumped the gun Friday when I relaunched. Starting another trial today... Two bets... I also went back to NFL to make a similar adjustment.

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    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET
    7:10 PM SAN ANTONIO 102 PHILADELPHIA 132 234 -14.5 237.0 Too Close Under
    8:40 PM BOSTON 125 DALLAS 114 240 3.5 238.5 Too Close Over

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    Getting pissed... I think the changes I made were more than justified and the model is stronger for doing so. But then I go 0-2 right out of the gate. Not only did I go 0-2... I wasn't close. Both of those bets were so far off. For as great as my college program is doing, NBA is killing me.

    I will keep trying ... I don't mind being wrong... but not being close. Then again, I did choose the night to bet the under when Joel Embiid scores 70. What are the chances?

    Dave
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    So I examined both games that the system picked... and this is what I came up with. First, the Dallas vs. Boston game didn't come close to hitting the over.

    What I noticed is that both teams do not attempt 2 points shots very often. They are both all about the 3 pt shot. Therefore, if they go cold on the 3 point shot like they did... there is no real chance to hit the over. Both of their adjusted zscores for 2 point attempts were -1 or greater so I created a filter to eliminate those scenarios. It didn't really affect any previous games. Second, filter I added was never to bet an over greater than 241. I think that filter is too high so I lowered it to 237. Therefore, the model will no longer pick an over that is higher than 237. This filter did eliminate some past games but the percentages went up from 73% to 78%.

    The Philly under bet was that also way wrong. I examined that also and found that the def away matchup PPG versus the home PPG zscores... were out of whack. Def for San Antonio had adjusted zscore of well of 2... Off for Philadelphia had a zscore of over 4. I added this filter to my under bet criteria. Interestingly enough, it cut the amount of games bet from 10% to 5% of the past bets. But, the percentage probability went from 71% to 82%.
    I don't know if this is falling on deaf ears... but this is how I adjust my system daily if I look at games... that I was way incorrect on. I haven't made any adjustments recently to college because it is working. I am hoping this is the last adjustment I need to make for a while.

    Give me some feedback... if you get a chance.

    Dave

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    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET
    7:10 PM DENVER 124 INDIANA 113 238 5 240.5 Too Close Too Close
    7:30 PM NEW YORK 119 BROOKLYN 112 231 4.5 223.0 Too Close Too Close
    8:10 PM UTAH 110 NEW ORLEANS 124 234 -6.5 238.5 Too Close Too Close
    8:10 PM PORTLAND 100 OKLAHOMA CITY 126 226 -14 234.5 Too Close Too Close
    10:00 PM LA LAKERS 106 LA CLIPPERS 124 230 -8.5 230.5 Too Close Too Close

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    Made more upgrades... It picked Portland Under last night. So it is 1-2... but it isn't picking very many games now. Almost none. I'll ride with it for a week or two and see what happens. No picks again tonight.

    If it continues to give no picks... I will have to expand the parameters and take a lower percentage.

    Dave

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    wouldn't 'no picks' simply indicate your model and the sportsbook model are coming to the same conclusion, and so there's nothing to exploit? Or as you are apparently leaning towards, time to take more risks. I will re-watch that Billy Walters documentary, I seemed to recall he'd take extreme measures just to move the line 1/2 point in the 'wrong' direction in order to then make a huge bet on what he felt was a valid bet. So he was cutting it pretty thin, where 1/2 point was a big deal.

    I have serious doubts that the NBA, NFL, or MLB can be 'beat' even with the best machine learning ; maybe NCAA since its still less analyzed than the big pro sports. Seems like the most fertile ground would be in the seemingly 'minor' sports, like women's volleyball or women's tennis.

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    No picks again tonight... College last night were 3-0... plus a 2 game ML parlay. Didn't lose a bet last night.
    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET
    7:10 PM UTAH 125 WASHINGTON 115 240 7.5 245.5 Too Close Too Close
    7:10 PM PHILADELPHIA 120 INDIANA 113 233 5 236.0 Too Close Too Close
    7:30 PM BOSTON 121 MIAMI 107 228 6.5 224.0 Too Close Too Close
    7:40 PM DENVER 116 NEW YORK 111 227 2 223.0 Too Close Too Close
    7:40 PM MINNESOTA 115 BROOKLYN 110 225 4.5 218.0 Too Close Too Close
    10:00 PM SACRAMENTO 121 GOLDEN STATE 116 237 2 242.0 Too Close Too Close
    10:40 PM CHICAGO 113 LA LAKERS 114 226 -4.5 228.0 Too Close Too Close

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    You're 100% right about Celtics. I been saying same thing since last season. Me & my dad watch all their games together & early in 2nd qtr we have good idea how game will finish. Im not exactly sure what Joe MaZZZulla does cause doesn't seem like much coaching is going on ever since Smart got traded.

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    Final a game... tonight... 2 games in college.

    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET
    7:10 PM PHOENIX 118 INDIANA 117 235 4.5 243.5 Home Plus Too Close

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    Won last night which was nice... maybe... I just need to patient and wait for system to pick games... or I have to open up the parameters. Which lowers effectiveness but allows you to bet...

    No games tonight... Plenty of college to bet on. Check my thread.

    Dave

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    Another bet today...

    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET Actual Away Actual Home
    3:40 PM MEMPHIS 110 INDIANA 123 232 -9 229.0 Home Minus Too Close 0 0

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    Trying to loosen up the parameters in NBA... any advice is appreciated. I am simply looking at the month of January at this point and seeing if I can generate enough winning bets. Right now, the month of January is only generating 17 bets. It is 12-5 ... so that is a nice hit rate... but there isn't a lot of action.

    I am comfortable with NCAAB... I feel like it is generating enough picks to make it worthwhile. NBA isn't. It is generating a couple of picks a week.

    I will keep trying. Any suggestions... I am all ears. Should I just keep the parameters super tight or run two different systems.

    Dave

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    Don't chase Action....quality not quantity.....

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    Prolexus... I hear you but if it isn't producing any action then... it is worthless. I expanded the parameters and I was able to increase game count in the month of January from 17 to 40. In addition, I actually increased the percentage win rate to up 2 %. So I got more games at a higher percentage.

    So I plan to take it for a spin on new trial.

    Dave

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    Thx Dave. Your efforts and attention to detail, noted and appreciated!

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    I was able to upgrade and tighten at the same time... I was just looking at Jan games... I took it from 17 games to 27... modest upgrade. But win percentage went to 78%.

    On the looser version it has Philly... GS over... I'm not betting it... 27 games... that's almost 1 a night.

    I can handle that... let's see how it runs.

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    I had to open it up... and so these are the picks today... I'll give it another try. I like my upgrades. Both of these picks were on the verge of a No Bet. I am betting them both. College crushed it again. I back tested the model and ran it for the month of January... starting at 1-2... lets see what happens.

    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET
    7:10 PM LA CLIPPERS 128 WASHINGTON 108 235 12 236.5 Too Close Over
    10:10 PM MILWAUKEE 125 PORTLAND 111 236 10.5 236.5 Too Close Over

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    Close, but just couldn’t quite get there

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    My experiment failed... I decided to try and loosen up NBA a little and Overs was one of the areas. I have my parameters set so that it should not bet an over ... greater than 236.5. Of course these games both game in at 236.5 so it didn't hit that parameter.

    The second thing I did was artificially adjust the betting so that if my total was within two points of the Vegas total... it would trigger an over bet. This of course got me on both games. My totals were spot on and I shouldn't have adjusted the betting to add 2 points. A mistake that I have already corrected.

    I am simply trying to find a way to open up the application without losing too much winning percentage.

    I have lowered my over thread hold to 235 and I have taken away the two point add on.

    Of course, tonight... no bets. Trying to get better.

    Dave

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    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET Actual Away Actual Home
    7:40 PM PHOENIX 121 ATLANTA 117 238 3.5 249.0 Too Close Under 0 0

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    Somehow... I earned a push... I watched the game... and both teams were on fire... I thought I was done... my NBA filters are very tight. If it picks games... it reached reasonably criteria. Away - hasn't missed. Two games tonight... surprisingly.

    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET Actual Away Actual Home
    6:10 PM INDIANA 131 CHARLOTTE 112 243 9.5 237.0 Away Minus Too Close 0 0
    7:10 PM HOUSTON 106 MINNESOTA 111 217 -7 221.5 Too Close Under 0 0

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    Maybe the system... is finally tight enough but working. Both games looked great to me... 3-2 now... with new parameters. I will take it... I am going to probably throw out all Philadelphia bets for a month because of Embiid injury. All my stats are based on him playing. I do the same thing with college football when QB goes down. Not worth betting.

    No games tonight.

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    Agreed, thank you

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    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET Actual Away Actual Home
    7:10 PM CLEVELAND 127 WASHINGTON 107 234 11.5 233.5 Too Close Over 0 0
    10:10 PM NEW ORLEANS 110 LA CLIPPERS 118 228 -7 229.5 Too Close Under 0 0


    Two Bets Tonight... Rare

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    Quote Originally Posted by usma1992 View Post
    Time AWAY TEAM PROJ AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM PROJ HOME SCORE TOTAL VEGAS SPREAD VEGAS O/U SPREAD BET O/U BET Actual Away Actual Home
    7:10 PM CLEVELAND 127 WASHINGTON 107 234 11.5 233.5 Too Close Over 0 0
    10:10 PM NEW ORLEANS 110 LA CLIPPERS 118 228 -7 229.5 Too Close Under 0 0


    Two Bets Tonight... Rare
    Just trying to understand your system, how is Cleveland projected to win by 20 against an 11.5 spread and it's considered too close
    But the total projected at 234 against 233.5 and it's a play?
    Just curious, great job so far.

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    Your over and unders look too close ? I’m not sure how your system works! ? Thanks for all the work you put into this!

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    So... again... I know it gets confusing. Maybe, I should eliminate my projections and just produce the bet without the numbers. Understandably, the numbers can get confusing.

    First, the projected numbers are just the first step in producing a pick. After generating numbers, my system looks at match ups and examines past history to see what type of results were generated with similar matchups.

    So even though, it looks like a solid bet... the match up eliminates the bet.

    As far as the over/under... yes, they look very close to Vegas odds, I noticed that. However, based on past history... these bets triggered and so I guess you have a choice to run with it or not. I bet both games... I will continue to tweak the system. Let's see how it does tonight.

    I most curious on the FGCU ... E Kentucky in college.

    Good Luck
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    Thank you ! I’m sure it’s frustrating, getting these same dumb questions over & over again ! I’m playing the college games and will watch the outcome of the NBA ! Good luck

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