Horse Racing questions and answers

[Easy-Rider 66]

I will take a look!

cool any questions hit me back. You need to have a free account to access the redboard room. They do have limitations on how much you can check out the data after the race is run.

[batt33]

another side of the game...

.[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Community Adjusted Foal Update[/COLOR]Earlier this week we caught up with Community Adjusted and her Quality Road filly. As the filly has grown, the farm has noticed that she’s wanting to toe in a bit in her front legs. This is no cause for panic, and is not out of the ordinary for young horses by any means. In an effort to straighten her out some, a blacksmith came out to the farm and applied Equilox to her feet. Equilox is an epoxy-like adhesive that is used to build extensions on the hooves to help straighten and correct the developing faults. The hope is that as they grow, the extensions will help correct the underlying faults without any other intervention. Your foal had them put on laterally in both front legs and her left hind. These extensions will typically stay on for four to six weeks. We will reevaluate once they are removed.

[batt33]

T-graph lets you look at the data after the races are run in the redboard room. Also they have free races of the week at times and Jerry Brown gives the data away for free every Christmas week. They also have a message board as well.

I will take a look!

[batt33]

race cancelled Batt due to inclement weather in KY

figures...

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hopefully I will get to watch it!

race cancelled Batt due to inclement weather in KY

[batt33]

Average Ragozin figures

Class of race Typical winning figureGrade 1 stakes –1 to 1
Grade 2 stakes 2 to 5
Grade 3 stakes 4 to 7
Grade 1 stakes (turf) 2 to 3
Grade 2 stakes (turf) 4 to 5
Grade 3 stakes (turf) 6 to 7
$35,000 stakes at Calder Race Course 9 to 10
Grade 1 stakes (2yo) 5
Triple Crown race 2 to 3
Grade 1 Triple Crown prep 3 to 4
Grade 2 Triple Crown prep 5 to 6
Class of race Typical winning figureGrade 3 Triple Crown prep 7 to 8
2yo maiden special (Saratoga Race Course) 9 to 14
2yo maiden special (Monmouth Park) 13 to 18
NW1 allowance (Belmont Park) 9 to 10
NW2 allowance (Belmont Park) 8 to 9
NW3 allowance (Belmont Park) 7 to 8
NW1 allowance (Hawthorne Race Course/spring) 11 to 13
NW1 allowance (Hawthorne Race Course/fall) 12 to 14
$50,000 claimer (Santa Anita Park) 8 to 11
$25,000 claimer (Santa Anita Park) 11 to 13
$25,000 claimer (Hawthorne Race Course) 13 to 15
Average Ragozin figures

[batt33]

by army mule..turfway R6 #2 lalily (5-1) @ 6:45

could see her being on the lead by herself in which case like her chances




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Hopefully I will get to watch it!

[batt33]

Are you familiar with the sheets BATT? They, like most publications, do have their flaws but it is a different and in many cases good way to help gauge the horses performance.

No not so much , Just what I read.... or MRH passes along

[JBEX]

by army mule..turfway R6 #2 lalily (5-1) @ 6:45

could see her being on the lead by herself in which case like her chances




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[JBEX]

And there it is JBEX. The little, subtle things that you can take away from a publication. That is such good information to help make a decision.

the male influences in the female family for caldera going back at least 4 generations are phenomenal..this is a deep pedigree on the bottom

[lesterdymond]

What a great response STR thank you for sharing your wisdom. EZ would
agree..

Do you miss the smell of the turf, hot summer days at SAR stuff like that ?

“ Horse players are some of the greatest people on earth” boa12 2024

[str]

OK STR check out the site sometime if interested. Last time I checked T-Graph much better site than Ragozin as far as info provided.

I will EZ. I'm not so sure Len Ragozin is still alive. If so, he is really up there I think. I know King T. is 93 and they were together in the late 70's.
Can't wait to see King again this year at the horseman's reunion at Laurel Park. Think it is April 13th?? He is incredible. I like him so much even though every time I went head and head with him for a training title, he beat me. The last day twice! Talk about tough to pass late. Lol.

[str]

plus tiznow's the dam's sire..only horse to win back to back bc classics (derby distance)

And there it is JBEX. The little, subtle things that you can take away from a publication. That is such good information to help make a decision.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Interesting. I have to think they could be very useful as well. So much of that info comes down to interpretation from the reader. Like most, I have to think it is something where some of the info given means more to certain situations than others. That is what I saw in the Rag sheets. Same with the racing form IMO.

agreed. good take.

[Easy-Rider 66]

I don't think I am EZ. I know the Ragozin sheets well, Don't think I am familiar with the T- graph sheets.

OK STR check out the site sometime if interested. Last time I checked T-Graph much better site than Ragozin as far as info provided.

[str]

T-graph lets you look at the data after the races are run in the redboard room. Also they have free races of the week at times and Jerry Brown gives the data away for free every Christmas week. They also have a message board as well.

Interesting. I have to think they could be very useful as well. So much of that info comes down to interpretation from the reader. Like most, I have to think it is something where some of the info given means more to certain situations than others. That is what I saw in the Rag sheets. Same with the racing form IMO.

[str]

I prefer the T-graph sheets over the Ragozin. Are you familiar with the T-graph STR?

I don't think I am EZ. I know the Ragozin sheets well, Don't think I am familiar with the T- graph sheets.

[Easy-Rider 66]

T-graph lets you look at the data after the races are run in the redboard room. Also they have free races of the week at times and Jerry Brown gives the data away for free every Christmas week. They also have a message board as well.

[str]

STR when would you take a first time starter over more experienced horses ?

Does trainer %, stakes winner history, jock help in your decision making ?

Thanks for time STR

2nd response first. The time I give allows me to continue to think about and talk about something I truly loved learning and participating in.
As always Lester, it is my pleasure.

1st question. It's a great one.

While all three should be looked at, I would choose in order your first catagory, then 3rd, and then 2nd. Here is why.

No matter how good the horse is, the trainers intentions from as soon as that trainer realizes what they might have, they will train a certain way. If that trainer is solid with firsters, that's great. But if their total win % overall is , let's say 16-20% and their first time starter win % is well below that, I find it hard to blindly bet that horse based solely on the fact that the trainer has a theory in their method which emphasizes longevity and a career and not that first start. That typically also is shown by previous firsters having similar traits in running style. Case in point.

Wesley Ward firster? Speed right? and probably run very well right?

Christopher Clement/ Graham Motion/ etc. firster. Relax, sit still a bit, and finish up.

That is not to say that those guys train every horse the same. They are all fabulous trainers. But the styles in which they do what they do getting firsters over to the paddock the first time are teaching the horse differently.
Each trainers firster win % is a key for me. I look at the trainer first.

The rider: Most trainers will use their regular rider on their firsters unless they have a reason NOT to. If they do have a reason NOT to, I as a handicapper would guess that to be a negative. It won't always be, but you play the percentages over time with that right? Also, the works might lend a hand in that decision. A smaller trainer that does not always get the leading rider but has that leading rider or close to it that they might not normally have on that firster? Obviously very positive.

The breeding. Well you have the sires like Uncle Mo who throws a ton of live firsters and that must always be considered. The form gives you sire % of winning firsters and I always at least glance at that. But the mare can be just as important if not more so IMO. Not so much if the mare does NOT throw winning firsters but if that mare was a winning firster, that speaks loudly too me Lester. And of course, if they have siblings that won first out, that just makes the argument stronger.

Use those things and if you want to get more specific, let me know.

Hope that helps Lester.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Are you familiar with the sheets BATT? They, like most publications, do have their flaws but it is a different and in many cases good way to help gauge the horses performance.

I prefer the T-graph sheets over the Ragozin. Are you familiar with the T-graph STR?