Horse Racing questions and answers

[Easy-Rider 66]

Sorry it's complicated. I get carried away. But, in today's world of misjudging finish lines because they are all over the place, which is terrible for the riders as well as the bettors, this was not that AT ALL. Not even close. The rider never saw that outside horse. Had he been slashing like a fool with the whip, he would have been criticized for that, and IMO, rightfully so.
This is just unfortunate. But to sue based on what is said in the lawsuit is totally unfair, wrong, and again IMO, the owner should be made an example of.
I wonder if that owner has ever done anything where it was said by that person, sorry, I never saw you. Well that is what happened. Anything else is pure BS.

no worries STR I appreciate the response.

[str]

THX for the detailed explanation STR. Your take is a bit complicated but not surprised. You see things that the average viewer does not see. LOL. Based on your response and watching the replay again I hope this lawsuit is dismissed quickly. It's a bad look for the game and unfair to the jockey. THX

Sorry it's complicated. I get carried away. But, in today's world of misjudging finish lines because they are all over the place, which is terrible for the riders as well as the bettors, this was not that AT ALL. Not even close. The rider never saw that outside horse. Had he been slashing like a fool with the whip, he would have been criticized for that, and IMO, rightfully so.
This is just unfortunate. But to sue based on what is said in the lawsuit is totally unfair, wrong, and again IMO, the owner should be made an example of.
I wonder if that owner has ever done anything where it was said by that person, sorry, I never saw you. Well that is what happened. Anything else is pure BS.

[str]

by army mule (5)

gulfstream R4 @ 1:01
#10 grade a (30-1)

gulfstream R9 @ 3:34
#7 stanley house (12-1)

oaklawn R2 @ 1:55
#9 battleoftheravine (15-1)

oaklawn R6 @ 3:56
#3 saving heart (15-1)

santa anita R2 @ 3:30
#6 ovetta's hobby (5-2)

Grade A... goes straight from maidens to a Stake and catches 2 stake winners. Can't lose a nw/2 IMO. Will run her race.

Stanley House... Always runs so hard. Such a nice horse.

Battleoftheravine... Most likely wakes up today at a nice price.

Saving Heart... Randy Morse knows his stuff. A wake up most likely at a price.

Ovetta's Hobby...Solid race here but excellently spotted by the trainer.


That is my opinion.

Thanks again JBEX.

[Easy-Rider 66]

THX for the detailed explanation STR. Your take is a bit complicated but not surprised. You see things that the average viewer does not see. LOL. Based on your response and watching the replay again I hope this lawsuit is dismissed quickly. It's a bad look for the game and unfair to the jockey. THX

[JBEX]

Cool. Thanks JBEX. I will look but let's see what would happen if we did a blind 2.00 win and place on each one.

no problem str

besides the obvious one at santa anita (by ml ..not a pick ) don't think it's a bad bunch relative to their odds..overall it's amazing how many nice horses you get from him relative to their purchase price..can't wait till he gets better stock over the next few years





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[str]

by army mule (5)

gulfstream R4 @ 1:01
#10 grade a (30-1)

gulfstream R9 @ 3:34
#7 stanley house (12-1)

oaklawn R2 @ 1:55
#9 battleoftheravine (15-1)

oaklawn R6 @ 3:56
#3 saving heart (15-1)

santa anita R2 @ 3:30
#6 ovetta's hobby (5-2)

Cool. Thanks JBEX. I will look but let's see what would happen if we did a blind 2.00 win and place on each one.

[str]

^Hey STR: want to get your opinion on the ride by Luan Machado on the #1 Hold My Bourbon in an allowance race at CD on 11/28/24. It is race #10. He is being sued for his efforts. or lack there of. I watched the replay. Not sure what to think? Don't know if you have access to the replay. If not, no worries. THX in advance.

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It won't let me combine the two posts but I have read them both.


I do have access to all replays . Thanks NYRA Bets !

Simply enough, this was not a misjudgment of the finish line. This rider rode a real nice race. Unfortunately, he did not see the outside horse coming at the last second. Damn shame. Most likely wins.


So here is what I want you to do EZ , and anyone that cares to experience what happened.

Anyone that spends 5 minutes doing this will be much better at watching a race and feeling what a rider feels and sees than you were beforehand.

Sit down in a chair and look straight ahead. Put something that resembles a whip of about 3 feet in length ( like a yard stick) in your right hand holding on to the end portion of it. Now put your hands together and resemble the rider with his hands cupped and together moving them about 3 inches forward and backward. So about 6 inches of total movement forward and backward.
While doing this, ask yourself how much peripheral vision you have? You have probably about 10-15 feet of somewhat decent but blurry vision to each side and you can see just about but not quite even with your body. Is that correct? I can, so I assume most of us can. Now, do you think you would have seen that outside horse coming late? I do think I would have.
Now, put the stick you have cupped in both hands directly in front of you in your right hand and move that hand outside of the body so the arm is maybe 1 ft. away from your body. Now tell me where your head is in conjunction to where it was when your hands were together?

For me, my eyes have moved to the right about 1 foot. Is that about what you feel? Now check to see how far left, while in that exact position you can see to the sides. I would say, for me, it is a foot or maybe a bit more of additional sight to the right and a foot or so less vision to the left. Is that about right EZ?

Are we good so far?

If so, let's now move the stick back to the middle like you did in the beginning and then, move it to your left hand the same exact distance you did to your right hand. I assume the same added sightline difference is now shifted in the other direction. Is that correct EZ? It was for me.

So before we draw any ideas from this remember, they are traveling at about 33 miles per hour. Ever stuck your head out the window of a car going about 33 MPH while hopefully not driving , Lol, like when you were a kid ? I did when I was young and you can't hear much because of the wind noise in your ears. Does that make sense?

So if we are done with that, watch the replay and you will see that the rider started out right handed, that is, the stick in his right hand first. He then, after using it right, switched to his left hand and used it left handed. Just a few of strides before the finish line, the rider turns his stick down but it is still in his left hand. So, his head is slightly cocked left. Is that correct? Looking at the replay, the jockey's head looks slightly left too me. I think it is correct.

Which means, his peripheral vision was slightly left of center resulting in the rider NEVER SEEING that outside horse who was coming on late and far enough away from him to see it. And with that wind noise in his ears, he most likely never heard it either.

There was no reaction from the rider, still in front, just before the finish line at all. He simply never saw the horse at all.

That rider had asked his horse several times and the horse responded perfectly each time. Only an amateur rider would have been hitting that horse at that point. It is as simple as never seeing the other horse.

Happen to me before? Yes. Happen to every trainer and most likely owner over time before. Yes. Most have lost a race like that, and, won a race like that.

It stinks. I, and all involved hate it. But it in inevitable if you run often enough.


Hopefully this bogus nonsensical law suit will be dismissed with prejudice and the judge basically tell the plaintiff to go pound sand.



On a side note, anyone that has been brave enough to tolerate reading most or all of this thread knows how much I always loved having a rider ride lefthanded. Meaning, start out left handed and finish right handed. Sometimes the traffic they are dealing with will not allow that. But if it does, I always preferred left first, than right. This incident helps explain one reason where it would have made a big difference. The rider would have seen that horse with his head cocked slightly to the right. And while horses do run up the rail to win as well, more times than not, they are outside not inside real late.

All the little things that can add up.

Hope it all makes sense folks.

[JBEX]

by army mule (5)

gulfstream R4 @ 1:01
#10 grade a (30-1)

gulfstream R9 @ 3:34
#7 stanley house (12-1)

oaklawn R2 @ 1:55
#9 battleoftheravine (15-1)

oaklawn R6 @ 3:56
#3 saving heart (15-1)

santa anita R2 @ 3:30
#6 ovetta's hobby (5-2)

[Easy-Rider 66]

"The Jockeys’ Guild became aware on Thursday, February 27, 2025, of a lawsuit filed in Jefferson Circuit Court in the Commonwealth of Kentucky by Gray V Train Racing, LLC and Westbrook Stables, LLC against jockey Luan Machado. The lawsuit purports to assert claims against Mr. Machado for breach of contract and negligence. The lawsuit arises out of Mr. Machado’s actions at Churchill Downs on Nov. 28, 2024 – specifically, the claim that Mr. Machado prematurely eased up on his mount."The claims asserted against Mr. Machado in the lawsuit are utterly baseless. They are also dangerous. The Kentucky legislature has entrusted the stewards of the Kentucky Horse Racing & Gaming Corporation with responsibility for determining if there has been a violation of the racing rules. The stewards made such a determination here and imposed a fine and suspension on Mr. Machado, which he paid and has served.

"There is absolutely no basis for private parties to try to undermine the stewards’ statutorily-entrusted decision by supplanting it with their own judgment as to what the

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[Easy-Rider 66]

^Hey STR: want to get your opinion on the ride by Luan Machado on the #1 Hold My Bourbon in an allowance race at CD on 11/28/24. It is race #10. He is being sued for his efforts. or lack there of. I watched the replay. Not sure what to think? Don't know if you have access to the replay. If not, no worries. THX in advance.

[Easy-Rider 66]

"The Jockeys’ Guild became aware on Thursday, February 27, 2025, of a lawsuit filed in Jefferson Circuit Court in the Commonwealth of Kentucky by Gray V Train Racing, LLC and Westbrook Stables, LLC against jockey Luan Machado. The lawsuit purports to assert claims against Mr. Machado for breach of contract and negligence. The lawsuit arises out of Mr. Machado’s actions at Churchill Downs on Nov. 28, 2024 – specifically, the claim that Mr. Machado prematurely eased up on his mount."The claims asserted against Mr. Machado in the lawsuit are utterly baseless. They are also dangerous. The Kentucky legislature has entrusted the stewards of the Kentucky Horse Racing & Gaming Corporation with responsibility for determining if there has been a violation of the racing rules. The stewards made such a determination here and imposed a fine and suspension on Mr. Machado, which he paid and has served.

"There is absolutely no basis for private parties to try to undermine the stewards’ statutorily-entrusted decision by supplanting it with their own judgment as to what the

[str]

Did you know Johnny has a 100% success rate stealing 2nd base on Tuesday evenings, with a full moon. LOL

River Thames (Fountain of Youth)

He will be switching off Lasix, which is a curious move for Pletcher over the last five years. During that time, he is 8-52 (15%) switching 3-year-olds off Lasix in graded stakes dirt sprints while boasting a $3.86 ROI that is almost entirely propped up by Bourbonic winning the Wood Memorial at 72/1.

I do agree with EZ that you would rather have too much than too little. I think the key is reading the info and realizing whether it is useful or not .

In this case, the info is a head scratcher and it makes no sense Madison.


Why?

Because switching off Lasix is not a curious move in graded stakes these days. That is the rule. No Lasix in Grade 1 races which is to help with breeding transparency down the road.

Furthermore, winning Graded sprint races at a 15% clip is great.

And just to show you how totally silly this comment is if that wasn't enough, while they state Todd's win %'s in graded sprint stakes dirt sprints and say the Wood Memorial at 72-1 tainted the ROI. Well, The Wood is a mile and an eighth so it does not qualify as a sprint.

Yikes !

All the best Madison. And I always liked the Tuesday full moon angle. Lol.

[Easy-Rider 66]

^ NO i think the more info the better. Levels the playing field a bit? A handicapper can do some research and pick and choose what info to utilize. IMO. GL.

[Madison]

Anyone else feeling like there is just too much data nowadays??

Did you know Johnny has a 100% success rate stealing 2nd base on Tuesday evenings, with a full moon. LOL

River Thames (Fountain of Youth)

He will be switching off Lasix, which is a curious move for Pletcher over the last five years. During that time, he is 8-52 (15%) switching 3-year-olds off Lasix in graded stakes dirt sprints while boasting a $3.86 ROI that is almost entirely propped up by Bourbonic winning the Wood Memorial at 72/1.

[str]

some updates STR on the younger horses including your fav!
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Black Tie Optional Showcase Footage[/COLOR]Enjoy the accompanying video with clips of Black Tie Optional at last weekend's Ocala Showcase!

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/BlackTieOptional022225_1740603342080/MP4/BlackTieOptional022225_1740603342080.mp4

Thanks Batt.

Yep. Want to keep track of him as he starts training.
Should be fun to watch him train and learn.

[batt33]

some updates STR on the younger horses including your fav!
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Black Tie Optional Showcase Footage[/COLOR]Enjoy the accompanying video with clips of Black Tie Optional at last weekend's Ocala Showcase!

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/BlackTieOptional022225_1740603342080/MP4/BlackTieOptional022225_1740603342080.mp4

[str]

Enjoying catching up on the blog! And speaking of SNC..

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/4bd276dd46634da2a6b4950789f76823_1740506622432/MP4/4bd276dd46634da2a6b4950789f76823_1740506622432.mp4

Enjoy this video update from trainer Dan Blacker as our recent Riyadh Dirt Sprint winner enjoyed some grazing time with Juan Landeros at Meydan. Dan is thrilled with how well he looks out of the race, and as you will hear, Straight No Chaser will receive a few much-deserved days off before returning to the track.

He looks GREAT Batt.

[batt33]

It will take years to iron out all the mistakes that HISA will need to work through but with that said, it is far and away the best thing that could ever happen to USA thoroughbred racing.

Too late for me but that’s just fine. Thank goodness they are getting things right.

It makes me incredibly happy to see.

I hope they make as big an example out of these participants as possible.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...-pa-conspiracy

I 100% agree STR.....

[batt33]

Oh yeah, that carryover effect is real.

Horses know when they win. Some take it to another level.

If you look at how stoic some horses that win more than they lose prance around it’s like they are cocky. Lol.

Go back and look at Batts horse Straight No Chaser.
Correct me if I have them mixed up but wasn’t this horse antsy and washed out pre race last year. And somewhat agitated at times.
The horse I saw the other day was strutting around like a peacock and cool calm and collected.
He really does see the camera these days and he hams it up like he knows he’s a badass. I know I saw that in the videos last week before he strutted into the gate like he owned the joint and blew away the field without turning a hair.

Enjoying catching up on the blog! And speaking of SNC..

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/4bd276dd46634da2a6b4950789f76823_1740506622432/MP4/4bd276dd46634da2a6b4950789f76823_1740506622432.mp4

Enjoy this video update from trainer Dan Blacker as our recent Riyadh Dirt Sprint winner enjoyed some grazing time with Juan Landeros at Meydan. Dan is thrilled with how well he looks out of the race, and as you will hear, Straight No Chaser will receive a few much-deserved days off before returning to the track.

[str]

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totally get the logic with that and makes perfect sense to me
..I think it would be more of an roi thing with winning a 3rd in a row .. horses who win 2 in a row aren't automatic underlays ..if they're stepping up in class and others (or another) are/is dropping I find the former often offer more value .. dropping in class is overbet imo which helps your angle from a betting perspective






not sure about SNC pre race and not surprised at your response regarding their mindset..you would think AM progeny would be especially good followup off a "drop win" candidates .. the natural competitive spirit in them would shine in that 2nd start and maybe above average chance to get the 3rd vs your average sire

I would agree with that. They try like heck in well beaten races. Have to think off a win and not placed in a real tough spot, they would run better than their last effort off the confidence and positive results of the last race.