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  • TechnicalTrader
    SBR MVP
    • 05-09-16
    • 1434

    #211
    2 for 4 on the day, made $11.70, I'm fine with that:

    Bankroll at start: $700.00
    Record: 49-30
    Total Profit: 56.26%
    Bankroll day 18: $1093.84

    Hit rate: 62.02%
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    • pairadux
      SBR Rookie
      • 08-08-10
      • 26

      #212
      TT,

      Thanks for posting these, I've just discovered your thread in the last day or so and love what you've got going on here.

      I've been into 1st Inning o/u for a while, trying to spot trends. I've got a couple of indicators and wanted your opinion on something. I agree about ERA skewing the numbers... would you put more weight on 1st inning OPS or percentage of times a P has allowed a 1st inning run over a recent stretch. Or none of the above?

      So far I'm ahead for the year with my indicators, but I'm always looking for ways to get better.

      I know you don't want to get into your whole algorithm and I respect that. I just love hearing well thought out theories.

      H
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      • thekoreanmang
        SBR MVP
        • 03-17-14
        • 1422

        #213
        Originally posted by TechnicalTrader
        2 for 4 on the day, made $11.70, I'm fine with that:

        Bankroll at start: $700.00
        Record: 49-30
        Total Profit: 56.26%
        Bankroll day 18: $1093.84

        Hit rate: 62.02%
        2-2 after a nice hot streak is a-ok, especially where you're betting on nice plus money lines. Good job, bruv.
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        • TechnicalTrader
          SBR MVP
          • 05-09-16
          • 1434

          #214
          Originally posted by pairadux
          TT,

          Thanks for posting these, I've just discovered your thread in the last day or so and love what you've got going on here.

          I've been into 1st Inning o/u for a while, trying to spot trends. I've got a couple of indicators and wanted your opinion on something. I agree about ERA skewing the numbers... would you put more weight on 1st inning OPS or percentage of times a P has allowed a 1st inning run over a recent stretch. Or none of the above?

          So far I'm ahead for the year with my indicators, but I'm always looking for ways to get better.

          I know you don't want to get into your whole algorithm and I respect that. I just love hearing well thought out theories.

          H
          Excellent question! First five batters OPS aginst SP is a stat I play around with. My only issue with it is the amount of AB's you get on that matchup and the time stetch you usually see. Let's take a look at one of tonights' matchups, Carrasco vs. Gardner:

          Gardners' OPS is .855 against Tanaka and his OBP is .471.They only matched up twice last season where Garnder went 2 for 10, with two walks and only two singles and not once in 2016. Do you use the lifetime OBP (which you are usually provided with) or go with their last certain matchups? I prefer current stats. Lifetime stats against a pitcher like Verlander who is clearly getting worst and worst by the day is not the way I like to look at things. I'll take last three matchups or last 365 days data any day over last seven years data...

          Just my two cents though.

          BTW, awesome posts/join date ratio!
          Last edited by TechnicalTrader; 07-10-16, 02:54 AM.
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          • TechnicalTrader
            SBR MVP
            • 05-09-16
            • 1434

            #215
            Originally posted by thekoreanmang
            2-2 after a nice hot streak is a-ok, especially where you're betting on nice plus money lines. Good job, bruv.
            Gracias!
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            • TechnicalTrader
              SBR MVP
              • 05-09-16
              • 1434

              #216
              Big day today, I've got 7 picks for today and will split them up in two classes. Class 1 will be using my standard 4% risk and class 2 will be 3%. I'm a little busy right now and don't really have time to explain why I which matchups landed in which class, maybe later.

              CIN/MIA O 3%
              NYY/CLE U 4%
              LAA/BAL O 3%
              ATL/CWS O 3%
              STL/MIL O 3%
              MIN/TEX U 4%
              SD/LAD O 3%
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              • TechnicalTrader
                SBR MVP
                • 05-09-16
                • 1434

                #217
                Two down, five to go!

                updated with lines:

                CIN/MIA O 3% -125 (won)
                NYY/CLE U 4% -125 (won)
                LAA/BAL O 3% -145
                ATL/CWS O 3% -135
                STL/MIL O 3% -115
                MIN/TEX U 4% +130
                SD/LAD O 3% -110
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                • TechnicalTrader
                  SBR MVP
                  • 05-09-16
                  • 1434

                  #218
                  CIN/MIA O 3% -125 (won)
                  NYY/CLE U 4% -125 (won)
                  LAA/BAL O 3% -145 (won)
                  ATL/CWS O 3% -135 (loss)
                  STL/MIL O 3% -115 (won)
                  MIN/TEX U 4% +130
                  SD/LAD O 3% -110

                  Will be more than happy to win only one of the next two. Did anyone trail me and/or add/take off picks??
                  Last edited by TechnicalTrader; 07-10-16, 01:39 PM.
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                  • thekoreanmang
                    SBR MVP
                    • 03-17-14
                    • 1422

                    #219
                    Originally posted by TechnicalTrader
                    CIN/MIA O 3% -125 (won)
                    NYY/CLE U 4% -125 (won)
                    LAA/BAL O 3% -145 (won)
                    ATL/CWS O 3% -135 (loss)
                    STL/MIL O 3% -115 (won)
                    MIN/TEX U 4% +130
                    SD/LAD O 3% -110

                    Will bemore than happy to win only one of the next two. Did anyone trail me and/or add/take off picks??
                    Tailed all. Good job!
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                    • pairadux
                      SBR Rookie
                      • 08-08-10
                      • 26

                      #220
                      Love it.

                      We were on the same page on cin/mia and nyy/cle (and both hit!). Didn't tail you but drove alongside for those at least

                      To answer your question, TT, I haven't really dabbled into individual head to head stats when it comes to batters vs. pitchers. I found a good link to recent 1st innning success and made my decision on cin/mia instead of the det/tor game.

                      I've played with 1st inning OPS for the SP and team road/home 1st inning team percentages. I tried multiplying 1st% and OPS, or even adding 1st inning ERA. In the end, I got rid of the fancy stuff, and just upped the requirements for the OPS/1st inning percentage. When it comes to overs, I only average 1-2 per day (I've gotten picky) and am now just exploring the U side of the .5 world.

                      Let's keep the train running!
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                      • TechnicalTrader
                        SBR MVP
                        • 05-09-16
                        • 1434

                        #221
                        Originally posted by pairadux
                        Love it.

                        We were on the same page on cin/mia and nyy/cle (and both hit!). Didn't tail you but drove alongside for those at least

                        To answer your question, TT, I haven't really dabbled into individual head to head stats when it comes to batters vs. pitchers. I found a good link to recent 1st innning success and made my decision on cin/mia instead of the det/tor game.

                        I've played with 1st inning OPS for the SP and team road/home 1st inning team percentages. I tried multiplying 1st% and OPS, or even adding 1st inning ERA. In the end, I got rid of the fancy stuff, and just upped the requirements for the OPS/1st inning percentage. When it comes to overs, I only average 1-2 per day (I've gotten picky) and am now just exploring the U side of the .5 world.

                        Let's keep the train running!
                        I have no idea how often I go with an under but am pretty sure I pick more overs. What I loved the most about today's MIN/TEX under was Milone, dude has been lights out in the first but it seems as if cappers use his ERA to set the line. Griffin has also been great in the first.

                        I'm sure there is a few ways of capping the first u/o line but if you ask me, I think it's a lot easier to predict it over 5 innings or an entire game. Somany things can happen in 5, 6 or 9 innings...

                        PS; 5 and 1 on the day, looking toget that 6th win.
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                        • TechnicalTrader
                          SBR MVP
                          • 05-09-16
                          • 1434

                          #222
                          What a way to wrap up the first half! With today's 6 and 1 performance, I've added another +20% to my bankroll! Happy to have a few days off and ready to keep it rolling in the second half!

                          Bankroll at start: $700.00
                          Record: 55-31
                          Total Profit: 79.83%
                          Bankroll day 19: $1258.83

                          Hit rate: 63.95%
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                          • jefff
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 10-14-09
                            • 351

                            #223
                            thanks again for the plays. enjoy the time off
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                            • jlani93
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 05-06-16
                              • 107

                              #224
                              Thank You TT!!!

                              I tailed on these games today...

                              CIN/MIA O 3% -125 (won)

                              NYY/CLE U 4% -125 (won)
                              ATL/CWS O 3% -135 (loss)
                              STL/MIL O 3% -115 (won)

                              I lost track of time and missed LAA/BAL. Also missed MIN/TEX b/c my husband hijacked my bet and changed it w/o telling me when I sent him to place the bet for me. Won't make the mistake again!


                              Thanks for the picks, TT. A great way to go into our break.
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                              • TechnicalTrader
                                SBR MVP
                                • 05-09-16
                                • 1434

                                #225
                                Originally posted by jlani93
                                I tailed on these games today...

                                CIN/MIA O 3% -125 (won)

                                NYY/CLE U 4% -125 (won)
                                ATL/CWS O 3% -135 (loss)
                                STL/MIL O 3% -115 (won)

                                I lost track of time and missed LAA/BAL. Also missed MIN/TEX b/c my husband hijacked my bet and changed it w/o telling me when I sent him to place the bet for me. Won't make the mistake again!


                                Thanks for the picks, TT. A great way to go into our break.
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                                LMAO, why would you grant your husband access to your betting account? My wife get's nowhere near mine! That MIN/TEX bet was my favorite, really liked it when I went through the numbers.

                                I might not get backupand running until the third gameday after the break. I might not have access to my account while in Italy due to gambling laws there so July might be a real quiet month for me.

                                Happy to see other people making money! Cheers
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                                • TechnicalTrader
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 05-09-16
                                  • 1434

                                  #226
                                  Here is a quick recap of the first leg of this marathon!

                                  Under record:
                                  39:20, 66% hit rate

                                  Over record:
                                  16:11, 59% hit rate

                                  I'm not sure if I should just drop the unders or maybe decrease my risk there. Something to think about over the next few days. I am also going to ditch the in-game bets. Too much work and stress, feels like I am daytrading with those bets.

                                  I usually use the last X amount of games in order to predict an over/under, so I will most likely sit out the first three or four days after the break.

                                  While I'm on vacation, I have someone here who should be able to keep my bets going, just not sure if he'll have time to post them on this forum. If I can access the forum, I might be able to get them up.

                                  See you ladies and gents in a few days,
                                  TT
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                                  • chaka
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 12-29-09
                                    • 437

                                    #227
                                    Originally posted by TechnicalTrader
                                    Here is a quick recap of the first leg of this marathon!

                                    Under record:
                                    39:20, 66% hit rate

                                    Over record:
                                    16:11, 59% hit rate

                                    I'm not sure if I should just drop the unders or maybe decrease my risk there. Something to think about over the next few days. I am also going to ditch the in-game bets. Too much work and stress, feels like I am daytrading with those bets.

                                    I usually use the last X amount of games in order to predict an over/under, so I will most likely sit out the first three or four days after the break.

                                    While I'm on vacation, I have someone here who should be able to keep my bets going, just not sure if he'll have time to post them on this forum. If I can access the forum, I might be able to get them up.

                                    See you ladies and gents in a few days,
                                    TT
                                    why would you drop either? 59%and 66%...albeit small sample sizes those are great win % though can fluctuate greatly still one way or the other

                                    there has been a record breaking year in solo homeruns ...
                                    do you know what your record was in overs where the game was won by a "solo" homerun rather than manufactured runs?

                                    of the over wins how many were just a single run vs more than one?

                                    have you tracked how many men LOB in overs that lost?....
                                    have you done better or worse with certain teams?

                                    are you hittings odds groups at money making percentages? not enough data(plays) at this time really to get answer here

                                    during the off time you should analyze the games you played but i'm venturing to guess you havent made post game notes to answer some of the above questions-which is fine .. ex..runner thrown out at home on an over, bases loaded no outs didnt score etc
                                    while the bet may have lost---it wasnt because you handicapped it incorrectly

                                    some will say a win is a win and a loss is a loss...factually and short term wagering sure but long term those runners arent getting thrown out at high rate and no runs from bases loaded no outs wont happen that often either... and i dont expect the first inning HR rate to continue at its current pace either

                                    before making any drastic changes- see how many times lady luck was on your side and how many times she wasn't....if its about even -why change?

                                    food for thought
                                    best of luck
                                    Last edited by chaka; 07-12-16, 10:10 AM. Reason: forgot to include "great win %" verbage
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                                    • thekoreanmang
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 03-17-14
                                      • 1422

                                      #228
                                      Really good thoughts by chaka. Thanks for contributing.
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                                      • TechnicalTrader
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 05-09-16
                                        • 1434

                                        #229
                                        Some of these upcoming matchups are looking super juicy. I might have to take a few, at a reduced position.

                                        The following unders are looking sweet:

                                        NYM/PHI
                                        KC/DET

                                        I'll get all of the other matchups posted tomorrow, but again I might just sit out a few days.
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                                        • jlani93
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 05-06-16
                                          • 107

                                          #230
                                          Originally posted by TechnicalTrader
                                          Some of these upcoming matchups are looking super juicy. I might have to take a few, at a reduced position.

                                          The following unders are looking sweet:

                                          NYM/PHI
                                          KC/DET

                                          I'll get all of the other matchups posted tomorrow, but again I might just sit out a few days.

                                          Thanks TT!

                                          Why are you thinking about sitting our for a few days?
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                                          • TechnicalTrader
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 05-09-16
                                            • 1434

                                            #231
                                            Originally posted by jlani93
                                            Thanks TT!

                                            Why are you thinking about sitting our for a few days?
                                            One of the variables I use is based strongly on momentum; "what team X or player(s) X have done over the last X amount of games or situational AB's". Most of that momentum has been wiped out due to the break. I'd like to see momentum built first.
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                                            • TechnicalTrader
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 05-09-16
                                              • 1434

                                              #232
                                              Again, not really in to today's games but will go 2% on the following bet:

                                              under
                                              NYM/PHL -109

                                              Not over excited on any overs today, second tier unders would be:

                                              KC/DET -114
                                              TOR/OAK -117
                                              HOU/SEA -124

                                              Maybe 1% on the above 3 but will most likely end up sitting it out.
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                                              • thekoreanmang
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 03-17-14
                                                • 1422

                                                #233
                                                Nice. Good luck today. It was nice to have a break these past handful of days.

                                                Interesting that my books (Betonline, Bookmaker) don't offer F1 O/U until later in the day.
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                                                • TechnicalTrader
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 05-09-16
                                                  • 1434

                                                  #234
                                                  Originally posted by thekoreanmang
                                                  Nice. Good luck today. It was nice to have a break these past handful of days.

                                                  Interesting that my books (Betonline, Bookmaker) don't offer F1 O/U until later in the day.
                                                  Marathonbet are the quickest with a current max stake of EUR 27.17. The lines usually open between 11:30 AM and around 12:50 PM EST. Some games' lines don't open until about 30 minutes before game time. Which really, really sucks for me being overseas!

                                                  Does anyone in here use thegreek? I heard they have decent first inning o/u lines.
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                                                  • Trivial
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 11-22-09
                                                    • 1328

                                                    #235
                                                    Originally posted by TechnicalTrader
                                                    Marathonbet are the quickest with a current max stake of EUR 27.17. The lines usually open between 11:30 AM and around 12:50 PM EST. Some games' lines don't open until about 30 minutes before game time. Which really, really sucks for me being overseas!

                                                    Does anyone in here use thegreek? I heard they have decent first inning o/u lines.
                                                    NYM/PHL -105 at TG for Under

                                                    They are not yet posted on the other 3 games.
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                                                    • TechnicalTrader
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 05-09-16
                                                      • 1434

                                                      #236
                                                      Originally posted by Trivial
                                                      NYM/PHL -105 at TG for Under

                                                      They are not yet posted on the other 3 games.
                                                      Thanks
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                                                      • Trivial
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 11-22-09
                                                        • 1328

                                                        #237
                                                        Originally posted by TechnicalTrader
                                                        Thanks
                                                        No problem.

                                                        Here are the rest that just got posted at TG. Pretty comparable with what you see.

                                                        KC/DET -115
                                                        TOR/OAK -120
                                                        HOU/SEA -125
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                                                        • SlickRick1382
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 10-15-11
                                                          • 3838

                                                          #238
                                                          What's TG is you don't mind my asking?

                                                          Thanks
                                                          Rick
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                                                          • Trivial
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 11-22-09
                                                            • 1328

                                                            #239
                                                            Originally posted by SlickRick1382
                                                            What's TG is you don't mind my asking?

                                                            Thanks
                                                            Rick
                                                            The Greek
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                                                            • thekoreanmang
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 03-17-14
                                                              • 1422

                                                              #240
                                                              2-0 so far. Makes me want to bet on the remaining overs. I only bet the under.
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                                                              • jlani93
                                                                SBR High Roller
                                                                • 05-06-16
                                                                • 107

                                                                #241
                                                                Originally posted by thekoreanmang
                                                                2-0 so far. Makes me want to bet on the remaining overs. I only bet the under.
                                                                Did I misread TT's picks? I thought all the picks were UNDERS b/c he didn't like any overs.
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                                                                • Stammertime91
                                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                                  • 06-30-16
                                                                  • 116

                                                                  #242
                                                                  Originally posted by jlani93
                                                                  Did I misread TT's picks? I thought all the picks were UNDERS b/c he didn't like any overs.
                                                                  No you read it right. They were all unders
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                                                                  • BIG
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 07-29-09
                                                                    • 694

                                                                    #243
                                                                    Originally posted by Stammertime91
                                                                    No you read it right. They were all unders
                                                                    Lol yeah me 2 I guess the guys that misread are 2-0 gd for them lol
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                                                                    • TechnicalTrader
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 05-09-16
                                                                      • 1434

                                                                      #244
                                                                      Yes, they were all unders but as stated before I'd prefer to sit out the first few days of the second half.

                                                                      Yesterdays' resluts:

                                                                      2%/BR
                                                                      NYM/PHL -109 (won)

                                                                      1%BR
                                                                      KC/DET -114 (loss)
                                                                      TOR/OAK -117 (loss)
                                                                      HOU/SEA -124 (loss)

                                                                      I didn't bet any of them in the account I've been tracking but for numbers purposes I'll update the numbers:

                                                                      Bankroll at start: $700.00
                                                                      Record: 56-34
                                                                      Total Profit: 77.85%
                                                                      Bankroll day 25: $1244.98

                                                                      Hit rate: 63.95%
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                                                                      • TechnicalTrader
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 05-09-16
                                                                        • 1434

                                                                        #245
                                                                        Not going to bet today, but these these are the matchups I'd go with:

                                                                        overs:
                                                                        COL/ATL
                                                                        MIA/STL
                                                                        SF/SD

                                                                        unders:
                                                                        HOU/SEA
                                                                        CLE/MIN
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