[DwightShrute]

[15805]

Expect 120% and greater in 2016.

I love it when liberals deny the existence of vote fraud - most often they do so while accusing conservatives of voter suppression.

Case in point East St. Louis, Illinois
East St. Louis seems to have more voters registered in its district than it even has
voting population.

According to the 2010 Census, East St. Louis had a total population of 27,006. The
population for those 18 and over, or those eligible to vote, was 19,098. With 22,000
registered voters, it seems to be a numerical impossibility for East St. Louis' Board of
Elections to have an accurate or legal list of register voters. East St. Louis is not alone
with this problem. It is a problem all across the nation.
_________________

As of the census^[20] of 2000, there were 31,542 people, 11,178 households, and 7,668 families residing in the city. The population density is 2,242.9 people per square mile (866.2/kmē). There are 12,899 housing units at an average density of 917.2 per square mile (354.2/kmē). The racial makeup of the city was 97.74% Black or African-American, 1.23% White, 0.19% Native American, 0.08% Asian-American, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.19% from other races, and 0.55% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 0.73% of the population.
________________

East St. Louis is not only one of the most violent cities in the United States, but it continuously ranks among the world's most dangerous cities. According to FBI's data of 2007, the murder rate of East St. Louis hit 101.9 per population of 100,000, surpassing that of cities such as Gary, Indiana (48.3 per pop. 100,000); New Orleans, Louisiana (94.7); Baltimore, Maryland (43.3); and Detroit, Michigan (47.3)

East St. Louis was higher than that of Honduras, the country with the highest murder rate in the world, at 90.4 per 100,000 people.^[25] In 2016, NeighborhoodScout released rankings indicating that East St. Louis had the highest murder rate of any city in the United States. It's a very sad place, probably worse than Detroit and Gary in terms of the urban decay.

Crime

	East St. Louis	National average
Murder	101.9	5.6
Rape	251.3	32.2
Robbery	1,347.0	195.4
Assault	5,847.3	340.1
Burglary	2,442.8	814.5
Automobile theft	2,067.5	526.5

A fertile area for Obama & now Clinton to fudge results.
2008 Presidential Election

Obama 13,846 votes (99.23%)
McCain 83 votes (0.60%)
Others 23 votes (0.17%)

Those are some beautiful results.

[rkelly110]

Case in point East St. Louis, Illinois
East St. Louis seems to have more voters registered in its district than it even has
voting population.

According to the 2010 Census, East St. Louis had a total population of 27,006. The
population for those 18 and over, or those eligible to vote, was 19,098. With 22,000
registered voters, it seems to be a numerical impossibility for East St. Louis' Board of
Elections to have an accurate or legal list of register voters. East St. Louis is not alone
with this problem. It is a problem all across the nation.
_________________

As of the census^[20] of 2000, there were 31,542 people, 11,178 households, and 7,668 families residing in the city. The population density is 2,242.9 people per square mile (866.2/kmē). There are 12,899 housing units at an average density of 917.2 per square mile (354.2/kmē). The racial makeup of the city was 97.74% Black or African-American, 1.23% White, 0.19% Native American, 0.08% Asian-American, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.19% from other races, and 0.55% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 0.73% of the population.
________________

East St. Louis is not only one of the most violent cities in the United States, but it continuously ranks among the world's most dangerous cities. According to FBI's data of 2007, the murder rate of East St. Louis hit 101.9 per population of 100,000, surpassing that of cities such as Gary, Indiana (48.3 per pop. 100,000); New Orleans, Louisiana (94.7); Baltimore, Maryland (43.3); and Detroit, Michigan (47.3)

East St. Louis was higher than that of Honduras, the country with the highest murder rate in the world, at 90.4 per 100,000 people.^[25] In 2016, NeighborhoodScout released rankings indicating that East St. Louis had the highest murder rate of any city in the United States. It's a very sad place, probably worse than Detroit and Gary in terms of the urban decay.

Crime

	East St. Louis	National average
Murder	101.9	5.6
Rape	251.3	32.2
Robbery	1,347.0	195.4
Assault	5,847.3	340.1
Burglary	2,442.8	814.5
Automobile theft	2,067.5	526.5

A fertile area for Obama & now Clinton to fudge results.
2008 Presidential Election

Obama 13,846 votes (99.23%)
McCain 83 votes (0.60%)
Others 23 votes (0.17%)

Those are some beautiful results.

Trump wants to build a wall, I'd say that would be the best place to do it.

[DwightShrute]

[Greget]

That's you dim

[Greget]

Team Trump

[DwightShrute]

That's you dim

[Greget]

Lighten up, dim. You and fuhrer Trump so sensitive.

[DwightShrute]

[rkelly110]

Lara is saying to herself, oh, that's how you do that!

[greenhippo]

Expect 120% and greater in 2016.

I love it when liberals deny the existence of vote fraud - most often they do so while accusing conservatives of voter suppression.

Why would you or anyone expect a higher vote count than registered voters?

[greenhippo]

Case in point East St. Louis, Illinois
East St. Louis seems to have more voters registered in its district than it even has
voting population.

According to the 2010 Census, East St. Louis had a total population of 27,006. The
population for those 18 and over, or those eligible to vote, was 19,098. With 22,000
registered voters, it seems to be a numerical impossibility for East St. Louis' Board of
Elections to have an accurate or legal list of register voters. East St. Louis is not alone
with this problem. It is a problem all across the nation.
_________________

As of the census^[20] of 2000, there were 31,542 people, 11,178 households, and 7,668 families residing in the city. The population density is 2,242.9 people per square mile (866.2/kmē). There are 12,899 housing units at an average density of 917.2 per square mile (354.2/kmē). The racial makeup of the city was 97.74% Black or African-American, 1.23% White, 0.19% Native American, 0.08% Asian-American, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.19% from other races, and 0.55% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 0.73% of the population.
________________

East St. Louis is not only one of the most violent cities in the United States, but it continuously ranks among the world's most dangerous cities. According to FBI's data of 2007, the murder rate of East St. Louis hit 101.9 per population of 100,000, surpassing that of cities such as Gary, Indiana (48.3 per pop. 100,000); New Orleans, Louisiana (94.7); Baltimore, Maryland (43.3); and Detroit, Michigan (47.3)

East St. Louis was higher than that of Honduras, the country with the highest murder rate in the world, at 90.4 per 100,000 people.^[25] In 2016, NeighborhoodScout released rankings indicating that East St. Louis had the highest murder rate of any city in the United States. It's a very sad place, probably worse than Detroit and Gary in terms of the urban decay.

Crime

	East St. Louis	National average
Murder	101.9	5.6
Rape	251.3	32.2
Robbery	1,347.0	195.4
Assault	5,847.3	340.1
Burglary	2,442.8	814.5
Automobile theft	2,067.5	526.5

A fertile area for Obama & now Clinton to fudge results.
2008 Presidential Election

Obama 13,846 votes (99.23%)
McCain 83 votes (0.60%)
Others 23 votes (0.17%)

Those are some beautiful results.

So the # of people legally able to vote was 19,098, the amount of votes cast was 13,952. That......isn't at all newsworthy or even worth the effort you took to create this post. This is as standards as standard gets.

[15805]

So the # of people legally able to vote was 19,098, the amount of votes cast was 13,952. That......isn't at all newsworthy or even worth the effort you took to create this post. This is as standards as standard gets.

That's 73% of eligible voters voting in E. St. Louis in the 2008 election, while the average turnout was 57%
nationwide. These E. St. Louis citizens must be very civic minded.

June 2: 2005: Voter Fraud in East St. Louis

It used to be called “walking around money.” Now, according to the St. Clair County Democratic Central Committee’s reports to the State Board of Elections, it’s called, “election expenses.” $76,150 was reportedly paid to 51 individuals living in East St. Louis days before the 2004 election. Cooperating voters were paid $5-$10 per vote, according to a report by the Belleville News-Democrat.

“Powell explained that the amount was based on multiplying the expected number of voters in the precinct times an amount of five dollars each,” according to a FBI report obtained by the Belleville paper. According to the indictment, Powell “explained that each Democratic precinct committeeman needed to determine how much he or she would pay voters in their own precinct.” Powell allegedly asked them to turn in “election day budgets…requesting funds from the St. Clair County Democratic Committee to be used during the November 2, 2004 general election.” After discussing “these election day budget requests with members of the St. Clair County Democratic committee, the East St. Louis precinct committeemen received funds” from the county central committee “in most instance[s] to the amount requested” on October 31st, according to one plea agreement.

Powell was a member of the East St. Louis City Council until he was voted out of office in April. Two weeks before that election, he was indicted for vote fraud.

In late March three other Democratic precinct committeemen–Lillie Nichols, Leroy Scott, Jr., and Terrance Stith–pled guilty to “knowingly and willfully” paying or offering “to pay voters for voting” during a federal elections....

Standing trial with Powell will be fellow Democratic precinct committeemen Jesse Lewis, Sheila Thomas and Kevin Ellis. Ellis precinct worker Yvette Johnson is also charged.

Ellis is also charged with writing a “threatening and misleading” letter to Republican election judges “in order to intimidate” them “so they would not appear at their assigned polling place.”

Just the tip of the iceberg!

[Triple_D_Bet]

That's 73% of eligible voters voting in E. St. Louis in the 2008 election, while the average turnout was 57%
nationwide. These E. St. Louis citizens must be very civic minded.

June 2: 2005: Voter Fraud in East St. Louis

It used to be called “walking around money.” Now, according to the St. Clair County Democratic Central Committee’s reports to the State Board of Elections, it’s called, “election expenses.” $76,150 was reportedly paid to 51 individuals living in East St. Louis days before the 2004 election. Cooperating voters were paid $5-$10 per vote, according to a report by the Belleville News-Democrat.

“Powell explained that the amount was based on multiplying the expected number of voters in the precinct times an amount of five dollars each,” according to a FBI report obtained by the Belleville paper. According to the indictment, Powell “explained that each Democratic precinct committeeman needed to determine how much he or she would pay voters in their own precinct.” Powell allegedly asked them to turn in “election day budgets…requesting funds from the St. Clair County Democratic Committee to be used during the November 2, 2004 general election.” After discussing “these election day budget requests with members of the St. Clair County Democratic committee, the East St. Louis precinct committeemen received funds” from the county central committee “in most instance[s] to the amount requested” on October 31st, according to one plea agreement.

Powell was a member of the East St. Louis City Council until he was voted out of office in April. Two weeks before that election, he was indicted for vote fraud.

In late March three other Democratic precinct committeemen–Lillie Nichols, Leroy Scott, Jr., and Terrance Stith–pled guilty to “knowingly and willfully” paying or offering “to pay voters for voting” during a federal elections....

Standing trial with Powell will be fellow Democratic precinct committeemen Jesse Lewis, Sheila Thomas and Kevin Ellis. Ellis precinct worker Yvette Johnson is also charged.

Ellis is also charged with writing a “threatening and misleading” letter to Republican election judges “in order to intimidate” them “so they would not appear at their assigned polling place.”

Just the tip of the iceberg!

Sounds plausible...but I would be pretty surprised if the same thing wasn't being done by Republicans as well

[greenhippo]

That's 73% of eligible voters voting in E. St. Louis in the 2008 election, while the average turnout was 57%
nationwide. These E. St. Louis citizens must be very civic minded.

June 2: 2005: Voter Fraud in East St. Louis

It used to be called “walking around money.” Now, according to the St. Clair County Democratic Central Committee’s reports to the State Board of Elections, it’s called, “election expenses.” $76,150 was reportedly paid to 51 individuals living in East St. Louis days before the 2004 election. Cooperating voters were paid $5-$10 per vote, according to a report by the Belleville News-Democrat.

“Powell explained that the amount was based on multiplying the expected number of voters in the precinct times an amount of five dollars each,” according to a FBI report obtained by the Belleville paper. According to the indictment, Powell “explained that each Democratic precinct committeeman needed to determine how much he or she would pay voters in their own precinct.” Powell allegedly asked them to turn in “election day budgets…requesting funds from the St. Clair County Democratic Committee to be used during the November 2, 2004 general election.” After discussing “these election day budget requests with members of the St. Clair County Democratic committee, the East St. Louis precinct committeemen received funds” from the county central committee “in most instance[s] to the amount requested” on October 31st, according to one plea agreement.

Powell was a member of the East St. Louis City Council until he was voted out of office in April. Two weeks before that election, he was indicted for vote fraud.

In late March three other Democratic precinct committeemen–Lillie Nichols, Leroy Scott, Jr., and Terrance Stith–pled guilty to “knowingly and willfully” paying or offering “to pay voters for voting” during a federal elections....

Standing trial with Powell will be fellow Democratic precinct committeemen Jesse Lewis, Sheila Thomas and Kevin Ellis. Ellis precinct worker Yvette Johnson is also charged.

Ellis is also charged with writing a “threatening and misleading” letter to Republican election judges “in order to intimidate” them “so they would not appear at their assigned polling place.”

Just the tip of the iceberg!

Tip of the iceberg is one example from 12 years ago?

[ByeShea]

Why would you or anyone expect a higher vote count than registered voters?

Why would anyone expect vote fraud, could it be that it has been happening every election?

[DwightShrute]

[crazykind]

LOL at all of the voter fraud trumpanzees

Please check in here if you would risk a felony on your record and multiple years in prison in order to cast a vote for someone else

[DwightShrute]

[greenhippo]

Why would anyone expect vote fraud, could it be that it has been happening every election?

You going to back that up with facts? I see zero in your post.

[DwightShrute]

[rkelly110]

voter fraud. Those who get their asses kicked because their message sucks, of course will say there's fraud.

Does anyone here vote? Sure doesn't sound like it.

Let's break down the voting process.

1. you have to register to vote. Putting your name and address on a piece of paper or online.

2. when you go to vote, there are at least 3 or 4 people there to take your name. One to write it in a ledger
(show your ID if required), one to hunt your name in the register, where you SIGN your name and one to
take you to the voting booth.

Let's break down how cheating could be possible.

1. all of the polling people would have to be on the take. Is that possible? Yeah.
2. polling people would allow people to bypass the sign in process and go vote multiple times or do it themselves.
3. absentee voting. They could do it multiple times and then go vote in person. Good record keeping would stop that.

The question is why? Would the little money they would make, if paid, offset jail time and a big fine if caught?

Thought I'd bring some common sense to the bullshit that's flying around.

[brooks85]

voter fraud. Those who get their asses kicked because their message sucks, of course will say there's fraud.

Does anyone here vote? Sure doesn't sound like it.

Let's break down the voting process.

1. you have to register to vote. Putting your name and address on a piece of paper or online.

2. when you go to vote, there are at least 3 or 4 people there to take your name. One to write it in a ledger
(show your ID if required), one to hunt your name in the register, where you SIGN your name and one to
take you to the voting booth.

Let's break down how cheating could be possible.

1. all of the polling people would have to be on the take. Is that possible? Yeah.
2. polling people would allow people to bypass the sign in process and go vote multiple times or do it themselves.
3. absentee voting. They could do it multiple times and then go vote in person. Good record keeping would stop that.

The question is why? Would the little money they would make, if paid, offset jail time and a big fine if caught?

Thought I'd bring some common sense to the bullshit that's flying around.

similiar to when liars who are caught will often say respond the other person is a troll. Very transparent.

[brooks85]

voter fraud. Those who get their asses kicked because their message sucks, of course will say there's fraud.

Does anyone here vote? Sure doesn't sound like it.

Let's break down the voting process.

1. you have to register to vote. Putting your name and address on a piece of paper or online.

2. when you go to vote, there are at least 3 or 4 people there to take your name. One to write it in a ledger
(show your ID if required), one to hunt your name in the register, where you SIGN your name and one to
take you to the voting booth.

Let's break down how cheating could be possible.

1. all of the polling people would have to be on the take. Is that possible? Yeah.
2. polling people would allow people to bypass the sign in process and go vote multiple times or do it themselves.
3. absentee voting. They could do it multiple times and then go vote in person. Good record keeping would stop that.
The question is why? Would the little money they would make, if paid, offset jail time and a big fine if caught?

Thought I'd bring some common sense to the bullshit that's flying around.

also, rkelly showing he has NO idea what is happening in his own coutnry but that isn't news. The same idiot who said more people were on SSDI than welfare(only off by 10x), truly an idiot and he did us all a disservice by having kids.

[Triple_D_Bet]

voter fraud. Those who get their asses kicked because their message sucks, of course will say there's fraud.

Does anyone here vote? Sure doesn't sound like it.

Let's break down the voting process.

1. you have to register to vote. Putting your name and address on a piece of paper or online.

2. when you go to vote, there are at least 3 or 4 people there to take your name. One to write it in a ledger
(show your ID if required), one to hunt your name in the register, where you SIGN your name and one to
take you to the voting booth.

Let's break down how cheating could be possible.

1. all of the polling people would have to be on the take. Is that possible? Yeah.
2. polling people would allow people to bypass the sign in process and go vote multiple times or do it themselves.
3. absentee voting. They could do it multiple times and then go vote in person. Good record keeping would stop that.

The question is why? Would the little money they would make, if paid, offset jail time and a big fine if caught?

Thought I'd bring some common sense to the bullshit that's flying around.

Absentee voting is the most efficient way to do it, but the numbers are the main thing keeping fraud from tilting an election. The logistics necessary to undetectably cast enough fraudulent votes to change even a close outcome in a national race are impractical, let alone when the margins are as wide as they are currently. There's a reason it's not widespread: it's more efficient to spend resources getting votes the old-fashioned way, by buying media and blasting lies and half-truths as people.

Having spent most of my life with electronics and embedded systems, I can tell you that electronic voting machines have the potential to make fraud a lot easier to carry out by technicians with any clue what they're doing. It's not particularly difficult to go in and change a bunch of people's votes electronically, and there aren't any solid safeguards against that I can think of. The main limiting factor is still the logistics thankfully; it has to be done in person to avoid detection, and coordinating that many techs, each of whom could blow the whole thing open and hold it over any candidates head forever, isn't practical.

I've never been asked to show ID when voting, but I don't have any opposition to it...regardless of the fraud it would or wouldn't prevent, if we have to show ID for other government interactions, showing it to vote is a perfectly reasonable precaution.

[ByeShea]

You going to back that up with facts? I see zero in your post.

Philadelphia 2012 had precincts totaling tens of thousands of votes for Obama and ZERO for Romney.

The count is fact. It is also far, far out of any statistical outlier, an impossible result. Pure vote fraud.

O: 19,605
R: 0

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/po...html?mobi=true

[Triple_D_Bet]

Philadelphia 2012 had precincts totaling tens of thousands of votes for Obama and ZERO for Romney.

The count is fact. It is also far, far out of any statistical outlier, an impossible result. Pure vote fraud.

O: 19,605
R: 0

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/po...html?mobi=true

"When the Inquirer went looking for Republican voters in some of those divisions, they couldn't find any: Thus the results in Philadelphia were reflective not of an "impossible" statistical anomaly but rather of a general historical trend widely seen throughout the city."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

[greenhippo]

ByeShea says every election is rife with election fraud. Responds with a link to an incident that does not equate to even a single instance of voter fraud. How can a person with even an average level of intelligence make this claim and not be able to back it up with simple, easily found, easily verifiable facts? Very sad.

[Triple_D_Bet]

ByeShea says every election is rife with election fraud. Responds with a link to an incident that does not equate to even a single instance of voter fraud. How can a person with even an average level of intelligence make this claim and not be able to back it up with simple, easily found, easily verifiable facts? Very sad.

Presidential election talking points don't often seem to involve facts, just opinions which are considered sacrosanct. If people evaluated based on facts instead of which lies resonated with them, it certainly would't be the circus it is...but psychology is pretty dependable in big groups, people allow themselves to be manipulated and we get a circus that's very profitable to the media we often claim as the source of the things we believe

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

ByeShea says every election is rife with election fraud. Responds with a link to an incident that does not equate to even a single instance of voter fraud. How can a person with even an average level of intelligence make this claim and not be able to back it up with simple, easily found, easily verifiable facts? Very sad.

because FoxNews does the same thing every day & people think it's ok to argue like this also

voter fraud!!@! why? how? because I said so!

[DwightShrute]

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[rkelly110]

The more Trump bashes Hillary, the more I'm voting for her.

[Dr.Gonzo]

The more Trump bashes Hillary, the more I'm voting for her.

SJWs always lie, SJWs always double down.

[rkelly110]

Don't know what an SJW is, but I don't lie. Doing my homework, Hillary is the clear choice.

As much as I hate the Repubs in office, even they are seeing the light and voting Hillary.

[brooks85]

Don't know what an SJW is, but I don't lie. Doing my homework, Hillary is the clear choice.

As much as I hate the Repubs in office, even they are seeing the light and voting Hillary.

no one could honestly agree with that based on your post history of lying over and over. You're pitiful