[dante1]

First off, been playing high denomination +EV video poker for nearly 20 years, having lived most of my adult life in Vegas.......again, just stating......and know PERFECT STRATEGY for a variety of different games and have played VP and SLOTS literally throughout the entire mainland United States.

Secondly, in terms of slots, one can play a slot machine that is set to payback less than 100%(via the RNG) and still play it in a +EV mode by playing it when the bonus mode is at a significant level or the progrssive meter is at a significant level............with both, the astute slot player can figure out if he or she has an advantage and attack the play and come out ahead over the longhaul.

20 years, I have been playing vp since the 1980's. Early 80's.

Bonus mode and progressive meter are all calculated with the RNG. You don't get anything extra in the long run with those bogus bonus machines. The bottom line is you spin and the RNG takes over bonus or not.

The difference with vp is the decisions you must make. It is still random but if you constantly make the right decisions those random positive spins will favor that player. You don't have that option with slots.

[mvp123]

Both machines are random generated the only difference is video poker requires some skill thus giving a positive random generated number a better chance in the hands of the skilled player. That advantage does not appear with a slot machine.
You get what you get with a slot, that is not true with video poker to a small extent




BINGO!!!!

[dante1]

Fishhead, Give us some advice on what to do!

Goofyre

If you are asking about advice on vp I gave you all that you need to know except how to play perfect poker. Get a book and go over every single hand for every single type machine. These books will tell you exactly what to do with every possible hand that is possible being dealt depending on the type of machine you are playing.

Also, generally speaking and this is almost always true. The higher the denomination the greater the chance of jp. Those machines almost always have a higher payout percentage than the small denomination. Meaning you have better chance on a dollar machine than a quarter machine. Also, you should play max coins, if you don't you never get the full value of a jp. So if you can only afford 1.25 a spin then you need to play the quarter machine and play all 5 coins then you have a chance at jp's which are always multiples in payoffs compared to 4 coins or less. I get sick to my stomach when I see players making these stupid mistakes.

[Fishhead]

20 years, I have been playing vp since the 1980's. Early 80's.

Bonus mode and progressive meter are all calculated with the RNG. You don't get anything extra in the long run with those bogus bonus machines. The bottom line is you spin and the RNG takes over bonus or not.

The difference with vp is the decisions you must make. It is still random but if you constantly make the right decisions those random positive spins will favor that player. You don't have that option with slots.

Been playing since the early 80's also, but only professionally for the past 20 years.

Not sure what your agenda is in attempting to argue and fight with me is.......

You are correct in everything you have stated about VP, it is not rocket scientist material..............and either is playing +EV slots.

But having not played slots for profit, you are making false statements about bonus and/or progressive slot machines.............they both provide overlays to the astute gamer............the vast majority of which are professional gamblers.

Y

[dante1]

Been playing since the early 80's also, but only professionally for the past 20 years. Not sure what your agenda is in attempting to argue and fight with me is....... You are correct in everything you have stated about VP, it is not rocket scientist material..............and either is playing +EV slots. But having not played slots for profit, you are making false statements about bonus and/or progressive slot machines.............they both provide overlays to the astute gamer............the vast majority of which are professional gamblers. Y

Okay, I don't want to argue with you. No agenda at all. I think you are wrong you think I am wrong. So be it.

But you need not tell me everything I said about vp is correct. I have never met any person that has a better handle on that than I do. Maybe, the same knowledge but not more.

[CarpeDime]

First off, been playing high denomination +EV video poker for nearly 20 years, having lived most of my adult life in Vegas.......again, just stating......and know PERFECT STRATEGY for a variety of different games and have played VP and SLOTS literally throughout the entire mainland United States.

one word - LEGEND

[LostBankroll]

Nobody can beat slots its impossible.

[YorkHunt]

Tell me what I am doing wrong

[Grits n' Gravy]

good luck finding machines with the great paytables anymore. you can find a few here and there, but consistently winning in vp is not an easy proposition these days unnless you are willing to grind it out on quarter machines. the few so called "advantage" players factor in every comp and promo given to them as part of their win. shit, bill grannoff aka bob dancer stays afloat from the dummies who pay him for vp strategy seminars. casinos do well in vp especially with the high end play that doesn't sweat the no longer findable 9/6 games.

[madmaxx]

Fishhead I put $200 in a machine and get nothing..last night this oyster hits it for 15k, where did I go wrong? It was nickels, 30 lines. Please advise.

[bobbyfk]

one word - LEGEND

agreed

[Boner_18]

Free fiveteamer.

[MartinBlank]

I love these threads. SBR is full of so much entertainment.

Has Fish released his SB play yet?

[pavyracer]

Fishhead and his crew beat the slots to the tune of $500,000!!!

[MartinBlank]

Fishhead and his crew beat the slots to the tune of $500,000!!!

Fish missed out on a tv deal.

Those MIT kids that took Vegas playing BJ clearly have nothing over the Fish gang.

Expect an early 2012 release of the SBR Documentary "How Fishhead took Vegas for 500K".

[Fishhead]

Fish missed out on a tv deal.

Those MIT kids that took Vegas playing BJ clearly have nothing over the Fish gang.

Expect an early 2012 release of the SBR Documentary "How Fishhead took Vegas for 500K".

Funny you should bring this up, this came up in discussions yesterday at the local watering hole.

The tv/documentary, if it ever came about, would include many others besides myself.............and would center around most of them, as many had/have a much more engaging personality than myself.............and a few profited solely on SLOTS much more than thyself.

For the record, the MIT story was painfully boring, as anyone could tell you that has spent any length of time in Vegas with nary a clue.

[MartinBlank]

Funny you should bring this up, this came up in discussions yesterday at the local watering hole.

The tv/documentary, if it ever came about, would include many others besides myself.............and would center around most of them, as many had/have a much more engaging personality than myself.............and a few profited solely on SLOTS much more than thyself.

For the record, the MIT story was painfully boring, as anyone could tell you that has spent any length of time in Vegas with nary a clue.

Painfully boring?

Do you know the MIT story? Boring is the last thing that comes to mind in that story. Bill Kaplan, JP Massar---they changed the ways casinos did business.

I suspect you haven't read Kaplan's story Fish, or you wouldn't think it was boring.

[HoulihansTX]

I love these threads. SBR is full of Shit. Has Fish released his SB play yet?

Fixed

[Grits n' Gravy]

Will have to take a look at the Griffin book and other casino pictures to see if FH is legit. The M.I.T. kids were far more damaging than that dumb movie portrayed them to be. I can see the slot movie now. Guys walking around casinos snatching coin buckets, looking for credits left on machines, using the wire to trip the hopper sensor to dispense, how to properly use a slug and last but not least finding the diamond game that someone abandonded while only needing another diamond or two to win a few hundred bucks.

[chemicalbrother]

+EV slots play.

hahahahahahahaaaa

[robmpink]

First off, been playing high denomination +EV video poker for nearly 20 years, having lived most of my adult life in Vegas.......again, just stating......and know PERFECT STRATEGY for a variety of different games and have played VP and SLOTS literally throughout the entire mainland United States.

Secondly, in terms of slots, one can play a slot machine that is set to payback less than 100%(via the RNG) and still play it in a +EV mode by playing it when the bonus mode is at a significant level or the progrssive meter is at a significant level............with both, the astute slot player can figure out if he or she has an advantage and attack the play and come out ahead over the longhaul.

Name of few slots today that let you do this? from what I read, the manufacturers all made revisions to cease this advantage.

[Grits n' Gravy]

Name of few slots today that let you do this? from what I read, the manufacturers all made revisions to cease this advantage.

they did and it no longer exists. you still find the occasional teams that will come in and pound a bank of linked progressives when it gets high, but the ev is still negative and gaming allows you to boot teams so individuals can play the machines.

[rm18]

they did and it no longer exists. you still find the occasional teams that will come in and pound a bank of linked progressives when it gets high, but the ev is still negative and gaming allows you to boot teams so individuals can play the machines.

Fishhead can still beat the slots he can even beat online bingo

[antifoil]

so there arent many 9/6 machines left in vegas?

[Fishhead]

they did and it no longer exists. you still find the occasional teams that will come in and pound a bank of linked progressives when it gets high, but the ev is still negative and gaming allows you to boot teams so individuals can play the machines.

There is no need to play with "teams" on "progressive slots"..........never have, and probably never will do so.

Grits, you are not completely in the dark when it comes to +EV "slot" plays, but you have no idea what I've done, do currently, or will do in the future in terms of "slots", all of which are highly +EV.

These type of threads always bring up theories and guesses on parts of various posters, most of which are completely false/wrong.

[Grits n' Gravy]

There is no need to play with "teams" on "progressive slots"..........never have, and probably never will do so.

Grits, you are not completely in the dark when it comes to +EV "slot" plays, but you have no idea what I've done, do currently, or will do in the future in terms of "slots", all of which are highly +EV.

These type of threads always bring up theories and guesses on parts of various posters, most of which are completely false/wrong.

the teams will clog up a $5 progressive vp bank as well as $1 multi line progs when they hit an amount that they expect positive return. i wish you the best fh, but as a casino exec who already did a few years running a slot department, i can say with confidence the days of finding glitches in the slots are all but closed up unless you are rigging from the inside. the last few slot scams around the valley have all been done by employees and all are either locked up or awaiting trial. macau is where the machines are being swindled now.

feel free to look me up sometime and welcome back to vegas.

[Fishhead]

the teams will clog up a $5 progressive vp bank as well as $1 multi line progs when they hit an amount that they expect positive return. i wish you the best fh, but as a casino exec who already did a few years running a slot department, i can say with confidence the days of finding glitches in the slots are all but closed up unless you are rigging from the inside. the last few slot scams around the valley have all been done by employees and all are either locked up or awaiting trial. macau is where the machines are being swindled now.

feel free to look me up sometime and welcome back to vegas.

First off, you don't think I know about $1 and $5 "VP" progressive teams?..........WTF?




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Casino executive running a slot department???

Glitches????

Rigging???

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT SIR, PLEEEEZ, not into cheating as a way to beat the slots.

[itriedsohard]

fishhead point me in the right direction homie.....

[robmpink]

Just make this about slots, now, today. eliminate VP. You have no advantage. Please don't mention slot promo days either. If and what you did "beating slots" is a thing in the past.

Video poker, yes, I could see it. Slots, no way Jose today.

[Extra Innings]

Amazing

[robmpink]

FH, if you told your good buddy, The Wizard of Odds, with a straight face, you could be slots now, he would laugh at you.

[Fishhead]

FH, if you told your good buddy, The Wizard of Odds, with a straight face, you could be slots now, he would laugh at you.

Hardly

There are numerous +ev slots in Vegas that professional gamblers attack daily.

In fact, picked up a couple hundred lastnight on a featured +EV SLOT machine.

[TheCentaur]

Fishhead you play at the Palms a lot? I didn't think they were many +ev machines still around and the ones that are have $1.25 max spins. Is a jackpot overlay that common? Most machines I've seen are too -ev for a jackpot to overcome it.

I played at 5dimes a lot and killed it until they took it away. DId you play there?

[ManBearPig]

So FH...I live in NV and play from time to time. I was wondering what criteria must be met for a machine to be considered +EV, because I know people who always seem to win, but I'm just not that person...I'm more of BJ myself anyways. I was just watching a show last night and some guy on there plays slots for a living an has won over $10mil apparently.

Anyways, if you care to share I would be interested what you have to say on that topic...if you care to.

[excel]

I remember at the bash I saw FH wandering around in the back of a vegas casino while I was waiting in line for food. Place was full of slots and I asked him where the winner was; he pointed to a slot machine that some guy was just sitting at. The guy wasn't playing or anything and I asked fish why he wasn't playing the machine if it was a winner. He said "because that guy is sitting at it." I go up and ask the guy to move so I can play, he complies. I wave fishhead over he plays for a couple mins hits jackpot or something then buys my lunch. To me FH is a proven slots winner. Thanks again FH