[UncleChael]

Wonderboy....lol...come on everyone was on him.....josh was on connor over diaz LOL.....and SILVA lol.....Bis by DEC was my call lol...JDS was the play too along with the Black Beast....don't see what your trying to say here lol sorry confused...

Bader, Mir, and Evans all got starched. I hit main events and Joanna is -200?

[PaperTrail07]

McG Got Beat, Rothwell got embarrassed.....looked like Frankenstein with Gout......and the only people Mir beat? Will be losing this weekend to Struve...Mir would have to fight Todd Duffee again for me to ever bet on him lol.....ho people take bigfoot here is BEYOND me lol...

Bader, Mir, and Evans all got starched. I hit main events and Joanna is -200?

[PaperTrail07]

and yes I had a few $'s on duffee...

[UncleChael]

McG Got Beat, Rothwell got embarrassed.....looked like Frankenstein with Gout......and the only people Mir beat? Will be losing this weekend to Struve...Mir would have to fight Todd Duffee again for me to ever bet on him lol.....ho people take bigfoot here is BEYOND me lol...

Thanks Wiki. Idk whos on Big Foot..

[JIBBBY]

Best write ups still coming in.... Part MMAmania, this guy is solid... Part 1... I'll bump and post part 2 when it comes out..

UFC Fight Night 87 predictions: 'Rotterdam' Fight Pass 'Prelims' undercard preview, Pt. 1

By Patrick L. Stumberg on May 2, 2016, 10:00p 4

125 lbs.: Kyoji Horiguchi vs. Neil Seery
Four straight UFC wins put Kyoji Horiguchi (16-2) in line to face champion Demetrious Johnson, who tapped the Japanese wunderkind at the very last second of the fight. He returned to his winning ways in Sept. 2015 with a decision over the very tough Chico Camus.

He’s knocked out nine of his professional opponents.
"2 Tap," rather appropriately, went 2-2 in his first four UFC bouts, one of the losses a very competitive one against Brad Pickett. The other part of his nickname showed up in his most recent bout, where he submitted Jon delos Reyes in his native Dublin.
Neil Seery (16-11) owns 12 stoppage wins, split evenly between knockouts and submissions.
Seery is -- to use a massive cliche -- scrappy. He’s durable, skilled in all areas, and capable of exploiting any small opening he’s given. I just don’t think that’s enough against Horiguchi, who has a considerable edge in speed and power.
His Karate stylings also seem well-equipped to overwhelm Seery’s gritty boxing.
Horiguchi is still young and constantly improving. Now under the tutelage of American Top Team, I expect great things out of him in the near future. He batters the ever-sturdy Seery for a wide decision win.
Prediction: Horiguchi via unanimous decision

UFC Fight Night 87 - Flyweight 3 rounds - Ahoy Rotterdam - Rotterdam, Netherlands - UFC Fight Pass
Sun 5/8		2001 Neil Seery		+400	o2½ -220
11:30AM		2002 Kyogi Horiguchi		-500	u2½ +180

170 lbs.: Leon Edwards vs. Dom Waters

Leon Edwards (10-3) dropped a narrow decision in his Octagon debut against Claudio Henrique da Silva, but proved his chops in subsequent victories over Seth Baczynski and Pawel Pawlak. He couldn’t maintain his momentum against The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 21 winner Kamaru Usman, who steadily overpowered the English banger for a unanimous decision.
He replaces the injured Peter Sobotta on little more than one month’s notice.
As Team Nelson’s first pick, Dom Waters (9-4) lost to Mike Ricci in TUF 16's round of 16. He made his first official UFC appearance in July 2015 and has fought twice as a late replacement, losing to George Sullivan and Dong Hyun Kim. He stands three inches taller than Edwards at 6’1."
Another day, another Waters showdown where he demonstrates that he’s not UFC caliber. Edwards is a quality prospect who had the misfortune of facing an elite wrestler in Usman, but he’s still worth watching. His power striking and takedown defense ought to be more than enough to hand Waters his third-straight loss.
The real question here is whether the durable Waters can withstand Edwards’ heavy hands and kicks. I say no -- Edwards lays him out sometime in the second.
Prediction Edwards by second-round technical knockout

UFC Fight Night 87 - Welterweight 3 rounds - Ahoy Rotterdam - Rotterdam, Netherlands - UFC Fight Pass
Sun 5/8		2101 Dominic Waters		+200	o1½ -180
11:00AM		2102 Leon Edwards		-240	u1½ +158

125 lbs.: Yuta Sasaki vs. Willie Gates

Yuta Sasaki (18-3-2) roared out of the gate in his UFC career with a 66-second submission of Roland Delorme, extending his unbeaten streak to 12 straight. His recent efforts haven’t been quite as successful, suffering consecutive stoppage losses to Leandro Issa and Taylor Lapilus.
"Ulka" replaces Paddy Holohan, who was forced to retire because of a blood issue.
The towering Willie Gates (12-6) rebounded from his debut loss to John Moraga with a brutal first-round beating of Darrell Montague. He fought again just a month later, replacing Ian McCall against Dustin Ortiz and taking a frightful thrashing in the process.
He has stopped nine opponents overall, five of them via knockout.
"Perhaps this is just me very well-documented bias toward Japanese mixed martial arts (MMA) talking, but I’m leaning toward Sasaki here. Gates relies extensively on being ludicrously tall for the Flyweight division. Sasaki’s even taller at 5’10" and lethal on the mat, a bad sign considering Gates’ struggles with wrestling.
Issa is a world-class grappler, while Lapilus proved significantly better than expected in his subsequent fight with Erik Perez. Sasaki overwhelms Gates in the clinch and eventually chokes him out.
Prediction: Sasaki def. Gates via first-round submission

UFC Fight Night 87 - Flyweight 3 rounds - Ahoy Rotterdam - Rotterdam, Netherlands - UFC Fight Pass
Sun 5/8		2201 Yuta Sasaki		+130	o1½ -145
10:30AM		2202 Willie Gates		-150	u1½ +125

[Sanity Check]

125 lbs.: Yuta Sasaki vs. Willie Gates

Yuta Sasaki (18-3-2) roared out of the gate in his UFC career with a 66-second submission of Roland Delorme, extending his unbeaten streak to 12 straight. His recent efforts haven’t been quite as successful, suffering consecutive stoppage losses to Leandro Issa and Taylor Lapilus.
"Ulka" replaces Paddy Holohan, who was forced to retire because of a blood issue.
The towering Willie Gates (12-6) rebounded from his debut loss to John Moraga with a brutal first-round beating of Darrell Montague. He fought again just a month later, replacing Ian McCall against Dustin Ortiz and taking a frightful thrashing in the process.
He has stopped nine opponents overall, five of them via knockout.
"Perhaps this is just me very well-documented bias toward Japanese mixed martial arts (MMA) talking, but I’m leaning toward Sasaki here. Gates relies extensively on being ludicrously tall for the Flyweight division. Sasaki’s even taller at 5’10" and lethal on the mat, a bad sign considering Gates’ struggles with wrestling.
Issa is a world-class grappler, while Lapilus proved significantly better than expected in his subsequent fight with Erik Perez. Sasaki overwhelms Gates in the clinch and eventually chokes him out.
Prediction: Sasaki def. Gates via first-round submission

UFC Fight Night 87 - Flyweight 3 rounds - Ahoy Rotterdam - Rotterdam, Netherlands - UFC Fight Pass
Sun 5/8		2201 Yuta Sasaki		+130	o1½ -145
10:30AM		2202 Willie Gates		-150	u1½ +125

***All of Sasaki's UFC fights have been at 135 lbs. This will be his first attempt dropping to 125.

[JIBBBY]

***All of Sasaki's UFC fights have been at 135 lbs. This will be his first attempt dropping to 125.

The write up above and prediction is not mine.. I just copy and paste the best reads available IMO then usually expand on that... Sherdog links and current odds I do add to the reads though..

Sanity you should know by now I like to fade Asians in the UFC.. I'm not very high on Willy Gates though and this Asian dude has ground.. Little nervous with this Asian fade so I'm gonna hedge.. Not sure the big weight cut for Sasaki and division drop means much.

That being said - Willy Gates ITD and Sasaki by Sub as a hedge for profit are my initial thoughts.. The Sasaki/Gates props still aren't out yet.. Gotta sit on this one for a bit...

Reasons for the prop picks in my mind -

Willy Gates hasn't gone to decision in his last 10 fights..Since 2012.. He's a finish or be finished type of fighter.. So Willy ITD are my thoughts if he is to win.. Forget the straight at -150.. ITD should be at + odds I hope....http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Willie-Gates-40436

Yuta Sasaki also hasn't gone to decision either since joining the UFC. He a ground and submission guy first and that's probably his only path way to victory in this fight since Gates is more likely to get sub'd out then KO'd by this Asian dude if he is to lose..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Yuta-Sasaki-63070

That's my MMA logic for capping this fight and fishing out the props to play for + odds on both sides.. The U1.5 at +125 I'm still entertaining also..

[JIBBBY]

Same dude Patrick on MMAmania part 2 prelims.. Good reads.. This guy has a solid winning record as listed below for the year.. I like to read from proven winners..
UFC Fight Night 87 predictions: 'Rotterdam' FOX Sports 1 'Prelims' undercard preview, Pt. 2

By Patrick L. Stumberg on May 3, 2016, 10:00p 1

155 lbs.: Rustam Khabilov vs. Chris Wade

Suplex master Rustam Khabilov (18-3) suffered his first two-fight losing streak following a perfect (3-0) start to his UFC career, tapping to a Benson Henderson rear-naked choke and dropping a split decision to Adriano Martins. Though he had a tougher time of it than expected, he re-entered the win column in February with a decision over Norman Parke.
He replaces the injured Rashid Magomedov on short notice.
Chris Wade (11-1) ended his UFC debut in just 72 seconds, but had to go the distance to take out Lipeng Zhang and Christos Giagos. He reminded fans he could still finish in his most recent bout, where he choked out Ultimate Fighter competitor Mehdi Baghdad late in the first.
Four of his wins have come by submission, two via guillotine and two via rear-naked choke.
I’m not sure if Khabilov lost his mojo after the Henderson fight or what, but his last two fights have seen a serious lack of aggression from the Sambo specialist. Still, the stylistic match up favors him here, as he’s got the edge in striking and should be able to hold his own in the wrestling.
Wade doesn’t have Henderson’s endless cardio, Martins’ strength and boxing, or Parke’s volume. Expect Khabilov to box up the young prospect, mixing in his trademark throws along the way.
Prediction: Khabilov via unanimous decision

UFC Fight Night 87 - Lightweight 3 rounds - Ahoy Rotterdam - Rotterdam, Netherlands - FS1
Sun 5/8		1601 Chris Wade		+165	o2½ -230
1:30PM		1602 Rustam Khabilov		-190	u2½ +190

185 lbs.: Magnus Cedenblad vs. Garreth McLellan
Sweden’s Magnus Cedenblad (13-4) gave the then-surging Francis Carmont all he could handle in his Octagon debut in 2012, but ultimately tapped to a rear-naked choke. Injuries have kept him to just three fights in the last four years, though he’s won all three and scored a "Performance of the Night" bonus in the process.
He has stopped 11 opponents overall, six via knockout.
The six-fight win streak for Garreth McLellan (13-3) came to an end at the hands of Bartosz Fabinski’s relentless takedowns in his UFC debut. He managed to right the ship last October with a ground-and-pound beatdown of former Legacy FC champion Bubba Bush in a sizable upset.
The South African will give up two inches of height to "Jycken."
It’s a shame that Cedenblad’s been so banged up; the Swede’s fun to watch and a capable finisher in every area. In this case, though, all he’ll need is his grappling. McLellan’s wrestling game is terribly underdeveloped, a fact I don’t expect to change soon considering he’s already in his mid-thirties.
Cedenblad’s length ought to carry him through the striking until he decides to overwhelm "Soldier Boy" on the mat. "Jycken" chokes him out late in the first.
Prediction: Cedenblad via first-round submission

UFC Fight Night 87 - Middleweight 3 rounds - Ahoy Rotterdam - Rotterdam, Netherlands - FS1
Sun 5/8		1701 Garreth McLellan		+235	o1½ -170
1:00PM		1702 Magnus Cedenblad		-275	u1½ +150

155 lbs.: Nick Hein vs. Jon Tuck
Nick Hein (13-2-1) entered the UFC on a seven-fight unbeaten streak and made it eight in his debut, only to drop a decision to James Vick his next time out. The stocky German has since picked up decision victories over Lukasz Sajewski and Yusuke Kasuya.
He will give up two inches of height to the 5’10" Jon Tuck (9-2).
As is standard for "Super Saiyans," Tuck took a little while to power up in his UFC career, going 2-2 in his first four. He looked better than ever his last time out, where he dropped and stopped durable Korean brawler Tae Hyun Bang late in the first round.
He’s stopped nine opponents overall, five via submission.
Hein’s obviously extremely strong and has some decent pop in his left hand, but he’s painfully passive at times. Though he’s currently favored by the bookies, he’s got a stiff challenge ahead of him. Tuck’s the bigger puncher, has a length advantage, and is significantly more aggressive.
The big issue here is that Tuck tends to wilt late. Luckily, Hein doesn’t push the kind of pace that can strain his cardio. Tuck wins enough of the striking exchanges to take the decision victory.
Prediction: Tuck via unanimous decision
UPDATE: Nick Hein has withdrawn due to injury. This post will be updated when and if a replacement is found for Tuck.
NO ACTION!!!




155 lbs.: Yan Cabral vs. Reza Madadi
Despite bowing out of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF): "Brazil 2" with a broken hand, Nova Uniao’s Cabral got called up to UFC, where he defeated David Mitchell in his debut. He’s since gone 1-2, sandwiching a submission of Naoyuki Kotani between losses to Zak Cummings and Johnny Case.
Eleven of his wins have come by submission.
A 2-1 start to the UFC career of Reza Madadi (13-4), including an epic comeback submission of Michael Johnson, gave way not to a triumphant run through the division, but to a jail sentence for robbery. He returned after two years away against Norman Parke, who took a clear decision over the Sweden-based Iranian.
He has submitted eight opponents overall.
Despite Cabral’s grappling chops, I favor Madadi. Cabral’s been overwhelmed on the mat before, and while Madadi may not have Cummings’ ridiculous size advantage, his relentless takedown assault can be an absolute chore to deal with. Further, his aggression should work well on the feet, where neither man is a major factor.
Cabral’s dangerous and did far better against Case than I expected, but I’m still calling upset. Madadi grinds his way to a decision win.
Prediction: Madadi via unanimous decision

UFC Fight Night 87 - Lightweight 3 rounds - Ahoy Rotterdam - Rotterdam, Netherlands - FS1
Sun 5/8		1901 Reza Madadi		+155	o2½ -200
12:00PM		1902 Yan Cabral		-175	u2½ +170

Current UFC "Prelims" Prediction Record 2016: 47-31-1

[LBfightlife]

Joanna Scorecards = No Action (-148) might be worth a look since Claudia has no finishes in the UFC

So for the no scorecards bet.. If the fight goes to the judges there is no action at all? So if JJ wins by D its a wash for no action? Or is it, JJ can win ITD or on the scorecards, but if Cladia wins by judges decision its a wash?

So the only way you could lose this bet is if CG finishes?

But can you only win if JJ finishes? Or can you win on scorecards if JJ wins the D?


Thanks

[Hugo de Naranja]

So for the no scorecards bet.. If the fight goes to the judges there is no action at all? So if JJ wins by D its a wash for no action? Or is it, JJ can win ITD or on the scorecards, but if Cladia wins by judges decision its a wash?

So the only way you could lose this bet is if CG finishes?

But can you only win if JJ finishes? Or can you win on scorecards if JJ wins the D?


Thanks

I win if JJ finishes, I lose if CG finishes.

For the record, JJ has 2 finishes in 5 UFC fights with both coming in 5-round fights.

CG has 0 finishes in 3 UFC fights and has never fought in a 5-rounder.

[yisman]

Hein has been replaced by Josh Emmett.

Emmett vs. Tuck now.

[PaperTrail07]

Any Line YIS? Tuck most likey went from Dog to Fav real quick...

[PaperTrail07]

nothing yet....

[PaperTrail07]

It would Be WIKI If it didn't call it (posted) before the fights went down....

Thanks Wiki. Idk whos on Big Foot..

[PaperTrail07]

From the Video's Ive watched.....Tuck is a no brainer at up to -300......Emmett is weak at best....shitty on the feet and his takedowns (his go to) can be seen a mile away....tuck will finish him and at a min win via decision...

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/WFC_1...iagos/10120676

[PaperTrail07]

Tuck's activity will be too much for him to handle IMO

[JIBBBY]

Hein has been replaced by Josh Emmett.

Emmett vs. Tuck now.

Yep mentioned in above post.. Cap Emmett later...

155 lbs.: Nick Hein vs. Jon Tuck
Nick Hein (13-2-1) entered the UFC on a seven-fight unbeaten streak and made it eight in his debut, only to drop a decision to James Vick his next time out. The stocky German has since picked up decision victories over Lukasz Sajewski and Yusuke Kasuya.
He will give up two inches of height to the 5’10" Jon Tuck (9-2).
As is standard for "Super Saiyans," Tuck took a little while to power up in his UFC career, going 2-2 in his first four. He looked better than ever his last time out, where he dropped and stopped durable Korean brawler Tae Hyun Bang late in the first round.
He’s stopped nine opponents overall, five via submission.
Hein’s obviously extremely strong and has some decent pop in his left hand, but he’s painfully passive at times. Though he’s currently favored by the bookies, he’s got a stiff challenge ahead of him. Tuck’s the bigger puncher, has a length advantage, and is significantly more aggressive.
The big issue here is that Tuck tends to wilt late. Luckily, Hein doesn’t push the kind of pace that can strain his cardio. Tuck wins enough of the striking exchanges to take the decision victory.
Prediction: Tuck via unanimous decision
UPDATE: Nick Hein has withdrawn due to injury. This post will be updated when and if a replacement is found for Tuck.
NO ACTION!!!

[PaperTrail07]

Tuck will win the fight...look at the odds and go from there...

[JIBBBY]

UFC tonight show was interesting.. I couldn't understand a word Arlovski said.. He seems determined and really doesn't like Reem.. Still don't think it will matter. I think Arlovski will fight aggressive and in doing so he will get dropped..

Reem KO prop odds seem high to me..

1041 Overeem wins by TKO/KO

-125

I think Reems best chance is to KO AA early on before he gasses out.. I don't think this fight gets out of the 1st round.. Too much bad blood now between the 2.....

Really starting to like U1.5 in this fight right now at -130. Kinda covers your ass both ways for a round and half if both fighters come out banging.. .. That under might actually be the safest bet as either of these guys can knock each other..

UFC Fight Night 87 - Heavyweight 5 rounds - Ahoy Rotterdam - Rotterdam, Netherlands - FS1
Sun 5/8		1001 Andrei Arlovski		+200	o1½ +110
4:30PM		1002 Alistair Overeem		-240	u1½ -130

[JIBBBY]

^^ I hit this for decent odds a few days ago.. Small stuff so far.. I'll probably hit that U1.5 too.

$60.00

$120.00

Pending

5/8/16 8:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1025 Overeem wins in round 1 +200* vs Any other result

[yisman]

Yep mentioned in above post.. Cap Emmett later...

155 lbs.: Nick Hein vs. Jon Tuck
Nick Hein (13-2-1) entered the UFC on a seven-fight unbeaten streak and made it eight in his debut, only to drop a decision to James Vick his next time out. The stocky German has since picked up decision victories over Lukasz Sajewski and Yusuke Kasuya.
He will give up two inches of height to the 5’10" Jon Tuck (9-2).
As is standard for "Super Saiyans," Tuck took a little while to power up in his UFC career, going 2-2 in his first four. He looked better than ever his last time out, where he dropped and stopped durable Korean brawler Tae Hyun Bang late in the first round.
He’s stopped nine opponents overall, five via submission.
Hein’s obviously extremely strong and has some decent pop in his left hand, but he’s painfully passive at times. Though he’s currently favored by the bookies, he’s got a stiff challenge ahead of him. Tuck’s the bigger puncher, has a length advantage, and is significantly more aggressive.
The big issue here is that Tuck tends to wilt late. Luckily, Hein doesn’t push the kind of pace that can strain his cardio. Tuck wins enough of the striking exchanges to take the decision victory.
Prediction: Tuck via unanimous decision
UPDATE: Nick Hein has withdrawn due to injury. This post will be updated when and if a replacement is found for Tuck.
NO ACTION!!!

you mentioned that Hein withdrew but not the replacement. I was posting the replacement...

[Thrilla]

[PaperTrail07]

Our posts get deleted?

[PaperTrail07]

Jibbbbby---? Tuck?

[PaperTrail07]

Odd JIBBY====deleted then the line moves to -120/-120? On Tuck even more now...

[JIBBBY]

^^Yep, saw that Paper.. What's up with that? I'm still in at -150 ..

Current line is -130 now..

UFC Fight Night 87 - Lightweight 3 rounds - Ahoy Rotterdam - Rotterdam, Netherlands - FS1
Sun 5/8		1801 Josh Emmett		+100	o2½ -170
12:30PM		1802 Jon Tuck		-130	u2½ +140

Not sure why people are jumping on Emmet? I understand he is undefeated but records can be deceiving...

He looked ok from video clips facing bums from what I saw.. Emmett really hasn't fought anyone on the level of Tuck yet. Giagos was toughest test so far in his last fight.. Emmett is coming in on a few days notice, first fight in the UFC.. Tall task for Josh Emmett to over come for sure!!! http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Josh-Emmett-85885

Tuck has never been finished, well rounded, can take a shot, he will be the taller fighter, 3-2 in the UFC and those 2 losses were by decision against tough guys in Kevin Lee and Storm'n Norman Parks..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jon-Tuck-45108

[JIBBBY]

Toughest guy Josh Emmett fought to date is probably Giagos in his last fight.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Christos-Giagos-68130

Emmett was getting his ass kicked in this fight and probably losing on points until he got the ko late in the 3rd round.. Giagos had 0 head movement and walked into it.. Josh looks like he throws hard, has some wrestling and is a tough guy at best.. Not a high out put pressure striker like storm'n Norman Parks type.. I think Jon Tuck rolls him...

This is the fight.. Josh Emmett is the bald dude with tats breathing hard and bleeding as the fight went on.....

[PaperTrail07]

JIBBBY ---Tuck is the play....there is no doubt about it....SLAM it...

^^Yep, saw that Paper.. What's up with that? I'm still in at -150 ..

Current line is -130 now..

UFC Fight Night 87 - Lightweight 3 rounds - Ahoy Rotterdam - Rotterdam, Netherlands - FS1
Sun 5/8		1801 Josh Emmett		+100	o2½ -170
12:30PM		1802 Jon Tuck		-130	u2½ +140

Not sure why people are jumping on Emmet? I understand he is undefeated but records can be deceiving...

He looked ok from video clips facing bums from what I saw.. Emmett really hasn't fought anyone on the level of Tuck yet. Giagos was toughest test so far in his last fight.. Emmett is coming in on a few days notice, first fight in the UFC.. Tall task for Josh Emmett to over come for sure!!! http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Josh-Emmett-85885

Tuck has never been finished, well rounded, can take a shot, he will be the taller fighter, 3-2 in the UFC and those 2 losses were by decision against tough guys in Kevin Lee and Storm'n Norman Parks..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jon-Tuck-45108

[PaperTrail07]

I feel he will slip back to the -150ish range so don't be too upset....

[PaperTrail07]

His boxing is garbage and takedowns are readable....

[yisman]

jibbby, still don't know what you were talking about. You had posted he withdraw but not the replacement.

Our posts get deleted?

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/3257448-sbr-forum-interruption-posts-notice-5-5-2016-a.html

[PaperTrail07]

Thanks YIS

[JIBBBY]

JIBBBY ---Tuck is the play....there is no doubt about it....SLAM it...

I can't slam it hard against an undefeated fighter but I did throw down a buck fiddy.. I do like Tuck but ya just never can be 100 percent sure betting against any undefeated fighter with 9 pro fights.. It always makes me a little cautious..

Let's hope Tuck finishes him.. I think he will and the 0 will go...

[bjpenn85]

I can't slam it hard against an undefeated fighter but I did throw down a buck fiddy.. I do like Tuck but ya just never can be 100 percent sure betting against any undefeated fighter with 9 pro fights.. It always makes me a little cautious..

Let's hope Tuck finishes him.. I think he will and the 0 will go...

Undefeated means that you havent fought anyone. You sound like being undefeated makes you more legit. Youre a crazy bastard sometimes jibby.

[JIBBBY]

Undefeated means that you havent fought anyone. You sound like being undefeated makes you more legit. Youre a crazy bastard sometimes jibby.

No undefeated just means it's one more thing you have to worry about when betting against it..

Not always so easy to make that 0 go for a few of those stubborn undefeated fighters that just never give up and refuse to lose even when the cards are stacked against them..

I usually give it the 10 pro fight undefeated rule even when they have been facing bums.. This guy Josh Emmett is just under 10 pro fights at 9 wins and I'll bet against him.. If he were at 10 wins or more I would not..

That's a rule I've stood by for years and I stand by it now when betting for or against undefeated fighters in MMA..