All Broker, Agent and Offshore Exchange Issues

[Motorhead11]

Is there an agent with double Pinnacle limits?

Have just received an email that Pinnacle is closing the accounts for my country.

Was used to have X2 limits in Pinnacle direct acc compared to sportmarket, vodds, betinsia etc.

Is there an agent who provides double pinnacle limits?

I am aware that Bet-IBC was having X2 pinnacle limits in the past. Anyone here who still using them and can confirm it?

[yellowstorm21]

It is no surprise that IBAS is not taking a step for a player. Most of their decisions are for the bookies. It is a surprise they made a step forward to suggest eCOGRA. Frankly I have never heard of them before as an ADR and it would be nice for you if you could reply back and inform us what they are saying/doing.
Going to the police makes no sense if you come from a country where gambling/exchanges/Betfair/etc are illegal. Imagine going to a Bangladeshi police station telling them you have complaints from Betfair services! In your shoes I would speak to Arbusers forum as well. These are very knowledgable people and they have helped dozens of legitimate players in the past.
In your case I would not be 100% sure there is nothing done by BIA. Of course you should not focus on them as Opti said, but in the back of your head you should keep the idea they are related to the problem some how.

thank you for your reply Ouzoun. Of course you are right, I cannot go to my local police authorities because exchanges are illegal in my country.
I have also contacted with Arbusers, I know they have helped a lot of people, but they rejected my post on their forum because my account which I created at BIA was not referred by arbusers, so as they said "We can't assist you if this is the case. We reserve our moral capital and our time for members who support the forum". In the communication I had with arbusers via Skype they seemed to be aware of such type of scams, but also they seemed unwilling to believe that there is something wrong with BIA, if you also read what they concluded of my case
"In your shoes I would try to see what went wrong from your side...I doubt BIA, Orbit or Betfair did anything shady, so most probably someone has your credentials...If that someone is a pro, he could arb everything out, but if he is not, he simply gambled things."

Nobody has stolen my credentials, I take all the necessary precautions, 20 years I use internet for gambling and banking transactions, never was hacked before. I understand that they cooperate with bet agents like BIA and they do not wish to expose them, I totally respect that. However, I believe that they should let me open a thread at their forum...

[ouzoun]

It is no surprise that IBAS is not taking a step for a player. Most of their decisions are for the bookies. It is a surprise they made a step forward to suggest eCOGRA. Frankly I have never heard of them before as an ADR and it would be nice for you if you could reply back and inform us what they are saying/doing.
Going to the police makes no sense if you come from a country where gambling/exchanges/Betfair/etc are illegal. Imagine going to a Bangladeshi police station telling them you have complaints from Betfair services! In your shoes I would speak to Arbusers forum as well. These are very knowledgable people and they have helped dozens of legitimate players in the past.
In your case I would not be 100% sure there is nothing done by BIA. Of course you should not focus on them as Opti said, but in the back of your head you should keep the idea they are related to the problem some how.

[yellowstorm21]

I am trying to imagine myself going to my local police authorities to testify for a betting fraud...instead of forwarding my issue to a Betfair agent like "Opti" says, they trying to avoid responsibilities by sending me to the cops.

[yellowstorm21]

Thanks again, I will do that.

[Camma23]

How's your kyc going?
I just received an email they are also asking me to submit documents. Will submit in a while after work.

They completed the process today. Verified my acc and proceeded the withdrawal request. Everything ok

[Moneygreen]

At my first withdrawal request, they asked me KYC. So this broker is no-KYC just untill you won't win and won't ask for a withdrawal?

"Hello sir, upon verification your account will go through the kyc process as required by our partnered books. We will send you the kyc details into your registered email address. Once kyc has been completed, we can proceed with your withdrawal request."

How's your kyc going?
I just received an email they are also asking me to submit documents. Will submit in a while after work.

[Optional]

this is what they answered from IBAS

Thank you for your October 6 submission.

Unfortunately we are now unable to help on this occasion. IBAS is no longer providing ADR services to Betfair’s customers outside of the United Kingdom.

You should instead now contact eCOGRA, who have taken on this role, please see https://www.ecogra.org/srs/dispute.php

Given the circumstances you cite, in my view this fraud may be more a matter your local police authorities rather than Betfair or ADR.

However, you may also visit the Betfair website and search for the “Complaints Procedure” (or “Terms and Conditions”) for information that confirms the position and the full procedure.

If you encounter further difficulty, an alternative is to try the regulator for your area, the Malta Gaming Authority (info.mga@mga.org.mt)

I have put your submission below in case it is helpful to you later.

Kind regards

so my next move will be Ecogra.

It sounds like that person at least cared enough to think about it properly.

If it was me, I would reply and thank them and say you will do as they advise and also say something like "I think if a responsible Betfair manager could just see this they would be able to determine if there was obvious wrong doing by their agent. If you can even informally pass it on to someone in the right position I would be grateful".

[Foxx]

Given the circumstances you cite, in my view this fraud may be more a matter your local police authorities rather than Betfair or ADR.

[yellowstorm21]

this is what they answered from IBAS

Thank you for your October 6 submission.

Unfortunately we are now unable to help on this occasion. IBAS is no longer providing ADR services to Betfair’s customers outside of the United Kingdom.

You should instead now contact eCOGRA, who have taken on this role, please see https://www.ecogra.org/srs/dispute.php

Given the circumstances you cite, in my view this fraud may be more a matter your local police authorities rather than Betfair or ADR.

However, you may also visit the Betfair website and search for the “Complaints Procedure” (or “Terms and Conditions”) for information that confirms the position and the full procedure.

If you encounter further difficulty, an alternative is to try the regulator for your area, the Malta Gaming Authority (info.mga@mga.org.mt)

I have put your submission below in case it is helpful to you later.

Kind regards

so my next move will be Ecogra.

[Camma23]

Your PS3838 won't be full volume if you win here.

When this will happen, I'll move back to molly who has already half volumes by default . Any broker out there offering ps3838 full volume same as my old Pinna?

Did you also invest in Terra Luna and Celsius? Good APR there tbh, you should look into it.

Nope

Was the KYC just a utility bill and ID, or did they want you to send bank statements and the whole POW stuff too?

So far just ID and bill

[Alfie White]

yes, I still use mollybet platform but needed a ps3838 with full volumes (not half cutted like other brokers).
Why you say unreliable? I honestly read good things about them overally

Did you also invest in Terra Luna and Celsius? Good APR there tbh, you should look into it.

[Frank]

yes, I still use mollybet platform but needed a ps3838 with full volumes (not half cutted like other brokers).
Why you say unreliable? I honestly read good things about them overally

Your PS3838 won't be full volume if you win here.

[bookie]

At my first withdrawal request, they asked me KYC. So this broker is no-KYC just untill you won't win and won't ask for a withdrawal?

"Hello sir, upon verification your account will go through the kyc process as required by our partnered books. We will send you the kyc details into your registered email address. Once kyc has been completed, we can proceed with your withdrawal request."

Was the KYC just a utility bill and ID, or did they want you to send bank statements and the whole POW stuff too?

[Camma23]

Didn't you use Mollybet platforms before? Why on earth would you use some random unreliable agent?

yes, I still use mollybet platform but needed a ps3838 with full volumes (not half cutted like other brokers).
Why you say unreliable? I honestly read good things about them overally

[Alfie White]

Didn't you use Mollybet platforms before? Why on earth would you use some random unreliable agent?

[Camma23]

At my first withdrawal request, they asked me KYC. So this broker is no-KYC just untill you won't win and won't ask for a withdrawal?

"Hello sir, upon verification your account will go through the kyc process as required by our partnered books. We will send you the kyc details into your registered email address. Once kyc has been completed, we can proceed with your withdrawal request."

[yellowstorm21]

IBAS will actually deal with anyone from anywhere now.

I would try submitting to their system as well if you can get through the process without an account number.

We just want someone to get your issue in front of a mid level manager in Betfair.

My claim was successfully submitted to IBAS, without an account number, so I am waiting for their reply. I will inform you as soon as I have news.

[Optional]

Yes, I have already noted Ecogra as one of my next moves, because IBAS , refers only to UK residents and gambling operators.
I really thank you for all your replies, your advice is more than important and gives me hope that somehow , somewhere, somebody will deal properly with my issue. Until now, Orbit (via BIA), Pollytrading(operators of BIA) and Betfair avoided to assist me, providing excuses and avoiding to take responsibility of this scam. I will come up, if I have any news.

IBAS will actually deal with anyone from anywhere now.

I would try submitting to their system as well if you can get through the process without an account number.

We just want someone to get your issue in front of a mid level manager in Betfair.

[yellowstorm21]

Also work through this page. There are a bunch of little hard to see links in the text to watch out for.

https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Dispute.Resolution/

You will also find links to Ecogra and IBAS on this page https://support.betfair.com/app/answ...ints-procedure They may well brush you off once they do realize it's a third party relationship, but submit your complaint saying fake bets placed in my Betfair account and give them the bet ID number only and don't explain much else apart from Betfair support refused to look into it for you. As the point of your complaint, ask them to encourage Betfair to at least address the problem and check it properly. Keep the request simple and easy for the ADR agent to just do immediately before having to reply to you. Keep the number of words you use as few as possible and laser focused on what you want out of them. Hopefully the ADR agent asks Betfair for more info and it gets in front of a higher level manager. That is all you really want from submitting a dispute with those agencies.


You will get someone in there who will care enough to want to know why you think this has happened eventually I think.

Yes, I have already noted Ecogra as one of my next moves, because IBAS , refers only to UK residents and gambling operators.
I really thank you for all your replies, your advice is more than important and gives me hope that somehow , somewhere, somebody will deal properly with my issue. Until now, Orbit (via BIA), Pollytrading(operators of BIA) and Betfair avoided to assist me, providing excuses and avoiding to take responsibility of this scam. I will come up, if I have any news.

[Optional]

Also work through this page. There are a bunch of little hard to see links in the text to watch out for.

https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Dispute.Resolution/

You will also find links to Ecogra and IBAS on this page https://support.betfair.com/app/answ...ints-procedure They may well brush you off once they do realize it's a third party relationship, but submit your complaint saying fake bets placed in my Betfair account and give them the bet ID number only and don't explain much else apart from Betfair support refused to look into it for you. As the point of your complaint, ask them to encourage Betfair to at least address the problem and check it properly. Keep the request simple and easy for the ADR agent to just do immediately before having to reply to you. Keep the number of words you use as few as possible and laser focused on what you want out of them. Hopefully the ADR agent asks Betfair for more info and it gets in front of a higher level manager. That is all you really want from submitting a dispute with those agencies.


You will get someone in there who will care enough to want to know why you think this has happened eventually I think.

[Optional]

"Betfair's agent OrbitX and Fake Bets Scam" should be the key words you use across industry forums to get PR working for you.

Keep the focus on the main 4 points; Betfair, OrbitX, Fake Bets and Scam. (dont try to explain BIA part. Does not matter and muddies the water)

Hammer the point that a Fake Bet was entered on your account. That's the key issue they need to explain or fix.

And embed your images so they can be seen and dont need a click.

[yellowstorm21]

The odds disparity in the "My Bet" and "My Account" section definitely should raise some eye brows.

Good luck yellowstorm in your quest for a resolution.

Thanks Foxx for your reply. Of course there is something strange and suspicious with the odds disparity at "my bet" and "my account" section. Please give some time to take a look what BIA replied to me when I raised this issue...

Kindly take into consideration that this is all the information that we have received from the related side, who have given a final confirmation that there is no possibility for any of the funds to be retrieved.

Orbit confirmed that the betting pattern was changed, but bets were in line, so no fund passing was displayed. Unfortunately, they could not retrieve any funds and sent us a final confirmation today.

Funny ha? just trying to avoid responsibilities...they rely on my agreement to their terms and conditions, but this doesn't mean that I have to tolerate my account being robbed!

[Foxx]

The odds disparity in the "My Bet" and "My Account" section definitely should raise some eye brows.

Good luck yellowstorm in your quest for a resolution.

[yellowstorm21]

Maybe ask them where you can escalate your dispute to.

I wish I could do something myself for you but they won't deal with third parties.

thanks a lot my friend

[Optional]

Maybe ask them where you can escalate your dispute to.

I wish I could do something myself for you but they won't deal with third parties.

[yellowstorm21]

Maybe try approaching them with the bet ID and just saying a fake bet was placed on account and here is the ID. Not trying to explain anything about third parties. Thye can find out everything about where you play from the bet ID. And if they try to brush you off again insist that the fake bet was made on their platform through their partner/agent and Betfair need to take at least some responsibility to check what is going on.

I'm not sure why you are getting the brush off. But be assured they can help if they decide to. And a Betfair B2B rep reaching out to Orbit will get world record type attention.

Thanks again for your reply. I will give them the bet ID, the problem with them is that when I start the live chat with one of betfair's agents, before anything else, they are asking for my username , so I am obliged to tell them that I use Orbit via BIA, because I do not have any account at Betfair...and then their answer is that they have no access to 3rd party's accounts. But for sure, I will give a try to start the conversation with them by giving them the fake bet's ID.

[Optional]

Maybe try approaching them with the bet ID and just saying a fake bet was placed on account and here is the ID. Not trying to explain anything about third parties. Thye can find out everything about where you play from the bet ID. And if they try to brush you off again insist that the fake bet was made on their platform through their partner/agent and Betfair need to take at least some responsibility to check what is going on.

I'm not sure why you are getting the brush off. But be assured they can help if they decide to. And a Betfair B2B rep reaching out to Orbit will get world record type attention.

[yellowstorm21]

Whoa, this is DARK, but confirms that there is some foul play happening.

yellow, given the nature of your replies, I can't quite agree with Opti in terms of you handling this badly - if you speak with them the same way you speak here, there is not much more you can do. Especially if you have given a very clear explanation on what happened and that you are exposed from all ends.

Why this is a problem - BF is giving their API to OX and OX has made their own whitelabel where all the accounts created are placing bets through that one account. There are several problems here - bet ID is different; OX might be taking position on your bets so your bet might not be 1/1 matched against some other BF player, but rather in some other split (80/20, 60/40 etc) so it might be a bit complicated to locate your bet; privacy issues, BF can't really "trust" on what is happening to 3rd party, since the OX is the owner of the account where the bet has been placed... These are only few things that come to mind from the top of my head.

Now, you may try what Opti said, but with a different approach - contact them via escalations @ betfair com email, make a simple, clear and elaborate explanation on what happened, attach screenshots of your OX account with the bets in question and ask them to try and find who is responsible for this. This is your best bet, I am fairly certain that BIA won't do anything to assist you properly.

gl

I really appreciate your time Alfie . Thanks again for your useful explanation about how OX possible matches the bets. Believe me , all the 3 times I have contacted with Betfair's customer support via their live chat , I was more than polite and tried to explain them what happened. But as they told me, they do not have anything to do with Orbit, who is a third party. So, thank you, an e mail to that escalations@betfair.com will be my next move. I have no intention to give up on it..

[jjgold]

Sports Market the best
BetinAsia Second

90% of these companies business is The Molly Bet Platform (Broker software with multiple books on the screen) not individual accounts

[Limited]

Yes, I know about "add markets button" Last week I was testing there have been some WTA/ATP maybe smaller tournaments and games HDP have not been available, maybe that is not the case with every tournament then.

[Alfie White]

Hm, I am now looking at the Today's ATP Tokyo there are Games / Set HDP, 1st / 2nd Set winner, Total Games; for Basketball you are correct, there are few markets missing (like Team Total you said), but overall for those, other, markets I use that PS3838 account you mentioned and I am satisfied overall.

Can be that you didn't add all the markets for sports? There is a button on the platform saying "Add Markets", maybe that is the issue for you? Still, I agree with you, it is not perfect, but it suits my trading activities.

[Limited]

So far as I know,

SM PRO only covers main lines in sports and mostly soccer. IE in tennis not even games HDP are included. No props, no team totals.... Coverage on US sports is quite poor too.

PRIVATE BOOKIES ACCOUNTS, only ps3838 which is Pin clone is possible at the moment i was told by their CS few days ago.

Said that, they are probably one of the most safe brokers, If you are a high roller (skype betting) or mostly in soccer and you can't access original Pinnacle, they can be useful.

Alfie, feel free to correct me, if I said something wrong.

[Alfie White]

I am mainly using SM for my trading and can't recommend them enough, top shelf in every aspect.

[Alfie White]

this happened to me 3 years ago. after all that was said and done. it was a BIA employee that stole the money. ultimately they refunded my money.

Whoa, this is DARK, but confirms that there is some foul play happening.

yellow, given the nature of your replies, I can't quite agree with Opti in terms of you handling this badly - if you speak with them the same way you speak here, there is not much more you can do. Especially if you have given a very clear explanation on what happened and that you are exposed from all ends.

Why this is a problem - BF is giving their API to OX and OX has made their own whitelabel where all the accounts created are placing bets through that one account. There are several problems here - bet ID is different; OX might be taking position on your bets so your bet might not be 1/1 matched against some other BF player, but rather in some other split (80/20, 60/40 etc) so it might be a bit complicated to locate your bet; privacy issues, BF can't really "trust" on what is happening to 3rd party, since the OX is the owner of the account where the bet has been placed... These are only few things that come to mind from the top of my head.

Now, you may try what Opti said, but with a different approach - contact them via escalations @ betfair com email, make a simple, clear and elaborate explanation on what happened, attach screenshots of your OX account with the bets in question and ask them to try and find who is responsible for this. This is your best bet, I am fairly certain that BIA won't do anything to assist you properly.

gl