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[tristello]

BetInAsia: A bank transfer DISAPPEARED

This is my nightmare with BetInAsia:

I have been an honest customer for many months, and I had no prob with them till now.
2 weeks ago I decided to deposit EUR 2025 and, as usual, I sent a bank transfer to the IBAN indicated on their site.
They mailed to me that in 2-5 working days my money will be in my account.
Now two weeks passed , and my money is DISAPPEARED.
They refuse to transfer the money to my account or to send back the money to my bank.
I have all proof that money was sent and arrived to their bank.
I have chatted and mailed one thousand times, but always the same answer:
“we have big trafic, as soon as our bank will notify us your money we will transfer it to your account. We are not responsable for third part (the bank) behaviour”.
Are you joking? What the bank you choose does is under your complete responsability, you have choosen them, not me.
So I write this post hoping that someone can help me to recover my money (it is a very big amount of money for me). Someone has the contact of a betinasia manager? Chatting with young people of the support is totally unuseful, the say what their boss tell them to say: wait wait wait your money is safe. But I know that my money is not safe, my money is DISAPPEARED, and we are not speaking about betting on fixed match or arbitrage…. IT IS A BANK TRANSFER THAT DISAPPEARED AT ALL
I am destroyed…. Ty for reading my post and please be aware of sending money to this broker….

[Shifty]

What's the deal with 4casters.io? They take your info and put you on a waiting list? You can't look at their prices or liquidity? Doesn't smell right.

Someone I respect told me they've had payout issues. Never considered them after that.

[bookie]

What's the deal with 4casters.io? They take your info and put you on a waiting list? You can't look at their prices or liquidity? Doesn't smell right.

[Optional]

Did something change regarding Americans (idk, new law or something)? Seems like a year ago there were multiple places that at least looked the other way.

20+ US states enacting laws that are enforcable to regulate sports betting is one big thing that has changed.

Unless you are a 100% non-American and never want to go there or to any country that is a close ally of them, then you probably don't want to just ignore all those state's laws like brokers used to.

[GipRock]

4casters.io

very good for US sports, you may need an agent for it

[MeanPeopleSuck]

Dont even try it. Any broker accepting US bettors is a red flag already.

Did something change regarding Americans (idk, new law or something)? Seems like a year ago there were multiple places that at least looked the other way.

[ouzoun]

Dont even try it. Any broker accepting US bettors is a red flag already.

[Optional]

Well welcome back but I don't think you are that easy to forget

There are others around here that still use brokers. I'll leave any tips and recommendations to them.

[MeanPeopleSuck]

Hey, awesome to see you again, Optional! Before I posted I figured the line on 'will Opti be the first to reply?' was even money.

Quick follow-up: if I did chance OrbitX, any recommendations on which bet broker to approach and/or which country my VPN should be out of? I can't remember exactly -- gettin' old, I figure -- but are there maybe a couple brokers with "Asia" in their names or something(?)

In any case, thanks very much and again, great to hear from you! (I figured the line of 'will anyone at SBR remember me?' at No -200, so you're an odds defying phenom!)

[Optional]

A lot of weird problem reports with OrbitX since you were last around here MPS.

Too many people have had their accounts drained and OrbitX actively covers it up and does not help them at all.

On my personal Balck List now. Never to be trusted again.

[MeanPeopleSuck]

Bet Broker Recommendations for a US based player?

Hi, guys. I'm an American looking for a bet broker to access Betfair's white label exchange (is it still Orbitx?)

I think I've got two questions:

1. Do any brokers allow US players? If not, are there any VPN workarounds that can get me hooked up with someone? (For my last account at odsy88, I had to represent as VPN-Canadian).

2. Are any brokers these days getting decent reviews from players, or flip side, are there any I should absolutely avoid?

Thanks very much for your time!

[ArAnah]

Maybe PS3838 only has agents who did not do stuff like that.

thanks for info, and I wanna ask you , where you find them ?

[Optional]

can't say for certain, but it seems like they have a different kind of white lable deal. As far as I know, when using Ps3838, the brokers have the options to either offer full Pinnacle limits to their customers (but take 50% risk themselves), or offer 50% limits only (with pinnacle taking full risk). Most opt for the latter.

That second option doesn't seem to exist on Piwi, so I guess the agent needs to take risk, meaning a winning account always causes losses for them.

I think the forced risk share came about when brokers were diverting losing accounts to a platform taking all the risk and leaving winners on the official platform with shared or no broker risk.

Maybe PS3838 only has agents who did not do stuff like that.

[infotimbo]

Didn't realize they operated so differently. I was up a decent number on ps3838, but since they switched to piwi I'm in the red overall. Guess I need to start looking for a new broker as having access to pinnacle is pretty vital.

can't say for certain, but it seems like they have a different kind of white lable deal. As far as I know, when using Ps3838, the brokers have the options to either offer full Pinnacle limits to their customers (but take 50% risk themselves), or offer 50% limits only (with pinnacle taking full risk). Most opt for the latter.

That second option doesn't seem to exist on Piwi, so I guess the agent needs to take risk, meaning a winning account always causes losses for them.

[weeminer]

The thing is, for big majority of betting agencies, winning less than 10k but say in the 5-8k range is considered a big amount. On average I am sure US bettors are considered big players compared to Europeans, and probably most of their customers are from Europe. But I wouldn't complain if they did pay the winnings.

Also probably the amount was won on a short timeframe and the broker got scared the player would quickly win 5 figures.

I'd be pretty surprised if this was the case. I've had low six figure swings (both + and -) using brokers, and never had any issues or hints of limiting previous to this. My single game limit on piwi is 10k euro, so I doubt 5-8k means much to them.

yeah, it's common practice at piwi247 at least that winning players immediately get the boot, while I never heard about it happening on ps3838

Didn't realize they operated so differently. I was up a decent number on ps3838, but since they switched to piwi I'm in the red overall. Guess I need to start looking for a new broker as having access to pinnacle is pretty vital.

[Swaggy P]

Is Pinnacle still regarded as the number 1 sportsbook in the world? Or is there another one now?

[infotimbo]

It's also likely IMO that Piwi247 was the one limiting, not Pinnacle.

yeah, it's common practice at piwi247 at least that winning players immediately get the boot, while I never heard about it happening on ps3838

[Poisec]

It's also likely IMO that Piwi247 was the one limiting, not Pinnacle.

[Poisec]

Friend of mine that I got to sign up for Piwi247 was just limited on his sports (pinnacle) account to 1 cent. I thought brokers generally don't limit?

It's a bit strange as he hasn't won very much (<10k)

The thing is, for big majority of betting agencies, winning less than 10k but say in the 5-8k range is considered a big amount. On average I am sure US bettors are considered big players compared to Europeans, and probably most of their customers are from Europe. But I wouldn't complain if they did pay the winnings.

Also probably the amount was won on a short timeframe and the broker got scared the player would quickly win 5 figures.

[Optional]

We almost need a sub forum for the constant flow of agent problems now.

There is no such thing as a "reputable" Pinny broker allowing USA players from regulated states. And AFAIK Pinny do not want brokers openly bypassing those laws in those states themselves.

That could be part of the reason why your account was limited.

[weeminer]

Piwi247 - Limited on pinnacle

Friend of mine that I got to sign up for Piwi247 was just limited on his sports (pinnacle) account to 1 cent. I thought brokers generally don't limit?

It's a bit strange as he hasn't won very much (<10k), and I've personally had no problems with them. When he asked them about it, they gave him some generic response like "Our game provider decided to limit your max bet. Sorry."

Happen to anyone else? What's another reputable broker to use for pinnacle if located in the US?

[Optional]

I think Isle of Man is a respectable licensor and regulator.

Nothing near like Curacao.

[Alfie White]

Isle of Man License is exactly the same like Curacao, still low value license.

You are clueless lol.

[Maikiti]

Isle of Man License is exactly the same like Curacao, still low value license. Sportmarket Pro is exactly the same as the PremiumGoal and BIA Black, very little difference, but on 90% same. The main reason of existence of betting brokers is to give you loophole access to bookies were you cannot open account personally.

[Namtambo]

Sorry! Other question, when I'm using SportMarket Pro to bet which is submitted to bookmaker(like pin88) is bet ID or my user name plus bet ID?

this is what's currently available for a random NBA market:

[Namtambo]

Many thanks and noted

this is what's currently available for a random NBA market:

[infotimbo]

Can I bet NBA/MLB more than 40k per day for 4 bets using Sportmarket Pro?

this is what's currently available for a random NBA market:

[Namtambo]

According to this comment, Can I bet NBA/MLB more than 40k per day for 4 bets using Sportmarket Pro?

The Sportmarket Pro (or generally Mollybet kind of-) platform is a massive plus indeed. It makes betting 10 times more comfortable, and you won't find that outside the agents.

[littlekona]

if you wager on horses a Agent account is a dream come true with the exchange options for many. bottom line its a decent option and the more the better

[infotimbo]

The Sportmarket Pro (or generally Mollybet kind of-) platform is a massive plus indeed. It makes betting 10 times more comfortable, and you won't find that outside the agents.

[Alfie White]

AC88 is obsolete, you should use Sportmarket - there you can see the real benefits with 10+ bookmakers and they have proper licensing under their belt.

[infotimbo]

How do they help with getting around jusisdictional laws? If the bookie asks for KYC documents, does the broker provide them?

That certainly WOULD be a value-add but I find it crazy that they can build a business just around people wanting to get around those.

what's so crazy about it? Bookies like Pinnacle or Betfair aren't accessible from many/most countries anymore, so an agent gives you the possibility to still do so. That's imo the main reason for most people to use them. And it's a very valid one.

If you're happy with what else you have access to, sure, no need to use an agent.

[Optional]

I already think you should avoid using them, so I am not going to argue with you about why you should. Just gave you my opinion.

[wakle]

How do they help with getting around jusisdictional laws? If the bookie asks for KYC documents, does the broker provide them?

That certainly WOULD be a value-add but I find it crazy that they can build a business just around people wanting to get around those.

Feel like most TOCs also say you can't use middlemen though, so you're like double-breaking TOC... do any brokers offer any sort of guarantees against account closure? I'd imagine they have some sort of predictable pattern to how they open accounts and if they ever got caught, their whole web of broker accounts might get closed, losing their customers a ton of money.

[Optional]

Transfer funds between books without having to withdraw/deposit is part of it.

But mostly it's to get around jurisdictional laws. Or to get around being booted by the bookmaker directly.

I think most of them do KYC now just to protect themselves from you making multiple accounts, not for the proper reasons.