Fairlay currently stealing my btc, 6 figures

**Optional** · 08-09-19, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Just read the trollbox at Fairlay for the first time. Surprising that Fairlay went PUBLIC with it. They must of noticed the HEAT they were getting? This could be make or break for FAIRLAY now.

Naturally, degen will be pissed off if Fairlay keeps his funds. But, on the other side of the coin.... once the results are posted publicly... and Fairlay has decided to hold onto the player's funds. It's ALL OVER FOR THEM.

This is a REAL DUMB move (business wise) to steal player's funds away. Don't know how they would sweep it under the rug? Would they even risk it? Very weird.

It did not destroy them last time they pulled this.

They threatened the last person they had under double secret investigation with reporting to authorities and all sorts of BS.

Then they just stole the money and never explained.

Originally posted by degen1

This makes less and less sense to me, regardless of who the third party is or what this is, the deposit should be either given back to me and my account frozen fine or be given to a third party. I can see that the coin is still in Fairlay custody

Are they threatening to call police or other authorities on you yet?

This is NOT how anti-money laundering issues go down in other jurisdictions. The bookmaker MUST keep their mouth shut and say nothing if Fairlay claim to be following international AML guidelines.

They clearly are not doing that.

There is another Bitcoin book out there who lost their asses to the OP and could be this mysterious "third party"...

Smelling like the same Fairlay attempt at stealing as last time.

Feel free to share this opinion on other forums the same way Fairlay asked users to share their lame excuse.

**degen1** · 08-09-19, 04:59 PM

For my dear friend little Kona, my small guess was what Optional said re: other sports book. But I don’t know why fairlay would listen, and I did everything by the rules on that book as well

**littlekona** · 08-09-19, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by degen1

For my dear friend little Kona, my small guess was what Optional said re: other sports book. But I don’t know why fairlay would listen, and I did everything by the rules on that book as well

then you have nothing to worry about....What is this other book that was your small guess?

If that is the case too I would side with you as if you scammed another book that's between you and them..
Will be interesting when full details come out here.....

**Ant23** · 08-09-19, 08:57 PM

Grab your

as the plot thickens.............

**DontTailMe** · 08-09-19, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Optional

It did not destroy them last time they pulled this.

They threatened the last person they had under double secret investigation with reporting to authorities and all sorts of BS.

Then they just stole the money and never explained.

Are they threatening to call police or other authorities on you yet?

This is NOT how anti-money laundering issues go down in other jurisdictions. The bookmaker MUST keep their mouth shut and say nothing if Fairlay claim to be following international AML guidelines.

They clearly are not doing that.

There is another Bitcoin book out there who lost their asses to the OP and could be this mysterious "third party"...

Smelling like the same Fairlay attempt at stealing as last time.

Feel free to share this opinion on other forums the same way Fairlay asked users to share their lame excuse.

Okay, now this has my attention.

Can someone link to the first instance of Fairlay stealing a large amount under the guise of anti-money laundering? I’d love to review that story.

**raiders72001** · 08-09-19, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

Okay, now this has my attention.

Can someone link to the first instance of Fairlay stealing a large amount under the guise of anti-money laundering? I’d love to review that story.

Hello,
I am trying to withdraw 1.2 BTC for over 4 months now. They are using same argument iven after I have made KYC verification with them - "money laundering" (they called it mixing as well) because I used to deposit and withdraw without play - I has been playing with them before without any problems until this happened. They denied to send money back to my bitcoin address from which it has been depositted, they just steal the money! they are not licensed anywhere! RED FLAG, DO NOT PLAY HERE!!!!

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...irlay-com.html

**raiders72001** · 08-09-19, 11:05 PM

Short story, Fairlay said that betg was washing money and wanted a selfie video. betg said just return my money or let me play there and make bets. Fairlay said, "no" and confiscated betg's money.

**raiders72001** · 08-09-19, 11:08 PM

I have also made 50+ btc withdraws before untill this happened... yes I have been trying surebetting but odds were changing very fast so last 10-20 withdrawals I have deposited and cashed out without play... before I was betting without surebets and it worked without problems... I have sent them KYC after few months of denying it but finally I have made this step but unfortunately they said that "it's too late, then that my docs are fake, they wanted movie with me holding pictures which was another excuse and just "too much for me" I realized that they have 100 of excuses because they think it was "money laundering" which is huge missunderstanding and final excuse to not pay me - they collected my "laundering" deposit to the pocket and they are fine with it. I will open complaint tomorrow but I have tried everything for few months and they do not want to pay they wanted me to prove from where I have money in btc which is impossible to prove I couldn't find 1 of 100's transfer which they wanted, money were legit 100% I am just sportsbettor.

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**littlekona** · 08-09-19, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Short story, Fairlay said that betg was washing money and wanted a selfie video. betg said just return my money or let me play there and make bets. Fairlay said, "no" and confiscated betg's money.

He also said he had no camera for a video and did not comply to any reasonable requests....even though some may say Farlay was in wrong the same folks will agree BETG was a scammer

**DontTailMe** · 08-09-19, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...irlay-com.html

Thanks.

So my read is:

1) Betg was almost definitely washing coin (I mean, he threw out every excuse but the kitchen sink).

2) Even assuming #1 is correct, what right does Fairlay have to keep the money? What damages do they have which require such compensation? Return money and close account -> boom, no more problem.

**raiders72001** · 08-09-19, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

He also said he had no camera for a video and did not comply to any reasonable requests....even though some may say Farlay was in wrong the same folks will agree BETG was a scammer

Fairlay was the scammer. Fairlay tells betg you're a money washer, send us a video of yourself. Of course betg isn't going to send a video.

**raiders72001** · 08-09-19, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

Thanks.

So my read is:

1) Betg was almost definitely washing coin (I mean, he threw out every excuse but the kitchen sink).

2) Even assuming #1 is correct, what right does Fairlay have to keep the money? What damages do they have which require such compensation? Return money and close account -> boom, no more problem.

agree 100%.

**Legions36** · 08-10-19, 07:33 AM

Finally a rating for this book to start off with, F and blacklist. Since when does arbing some bets at an exchange scamming? I can understand for reasons normal books looking into things like this(which they never take it this far) but a btc to btc book has the nerve to make these claims is an outright scam or scam in the making.
But I can say its not all the books fault either, how can people make such a huge deposit amounts at places like this...

**TwitchySeal** · 08-10-19, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by degen1

For my dear friend little Kona, my small guess was what Optional said re: other sports book. But I don’t know why fairlay would listen, and I did everything by the rules on that book as well

How did you scam other books?

**EVPlus** · 08-10-19, 09:26 AM

Damn it...

What bothers me the most is they use this "third-party" line. This gives them carte blanche to use a similar excuse in the future to ANYONE.

It might be time for me to rename it Unfairlay and move on.

**degen1** · 08-10-19, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by TwitchySeal

How did you scam other books?

I didn’t, he was just speculating/saying if I did. No one has ever suspected me of scamming, I got limited for winnings and that’s the extent of it.

**Texans365** · 08-10-19, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by EVPlus

Damn it...

What bothers me the most is they use this "third-party" line. This gives them carte blanche to use a similar excuse in the future to ANYONE.

It might be time for me to rename it Unfairlay and move on.

Agree. Bitcoin is designed for DIRECT payment processing, without any 3rd-party involved. This is the main advantage of BTC. Fairlay (BTC exclusive exchange) knows it better than anyone else.
Claiming third-party investigations, reviews, kyc procedures, etc., is complete BS.

**eaglesfan371** · 08-10-19, 01:48 PM

As a Fairlay fan for several years, this is giving Fairlay a bad rep. My $300-$500 bets are small compared to the amount seized in both cases but still, it isn't right. One time, okay, not right but one case out of 100s, okay...second time though, this is inexcusable.

**raiders72001** · 08-10-19, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by Texans365

Agree. Bitcoin is designed for DIRECT payment processing, without any 3rd-party involved. This is the main advantage of BTC. Fairlay (BTC exclusive exchange) knows it better than anyone else.
Claiming third-party investigations, reviews, kyc procedures, etc., is complete BS.

The above nails it. We play with BTC so as not to be bothered.

**degen1** · 08-12-19, 10:26 AM

Fairlay asked me to give a response on their behalf which I am giving in good faith in hopes of resolving this faster and somewhat amicably.

They say my account was flagged “based on credible information provided by a third party.” They claim "Of course no third party has the ability to flag accounts directly."

Fairlay says that they guarantee that my entire deposit will be returned to me, a law enforcement agency or an address determined by a court or law enforcement agency when the investigation of my case is completed which shall be no later than December 31st 2019. So by the end of the year they say they will no longer be in posession of my frozen funds.

It’s not the most encouraging information given that I may have to wait 6 months and still don’t know what’s going on, but there it is

**Optional** · 08-12-19, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by degen1

Fairlay asked me to give a response on their behalf which I am giving in good faith in hopes of resolving this faster and somewhat amicably.

They say my account was flagged based on credible information provided by a third party. They claim "Of course no third party has the ability to flag accounts directly."

Fairlay says that they guarantee that my entire deposit will be returned to me, a law enforcement agency or an address determined by a court or law enforcement agency when the investigation of my case is completed which shall be no later than December 31st 2019. So by the end of the year they say they will no longer be in posession of my frozen funds.

It’s not the most encouraging information given that I may have to wait 6 months and still don’t know what’s going on, but there it is

That is not exactly clear to me.

**Ant23** · 08-12-19, 11:03 AM

FEDS......I hate em

**littlekona** · 08-12-19, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by degen1

Fairlay asked me to give a response on their behalf which I am giving in good faith in hopes of resolving this faster and somewhat amicably.

They say my account was flagged based on credible information provided by a third party. They claim "Of course no third party has the ability to flag accounts directly."

Fairlay says that they guarantee that my entire deposit will be returned to me, a law enforcement agency or an address determined by a court or law enforcement agency when the investigation of my case is completed which shall be no later than December 31st 2019. So by the end of the year they say they will no longer be in posession of my frozen funds.

It’s not the most encouraging information given that I may have to wait 6 months and still don’t know what’s going on, but there it is

seems too long for an investigation unless there are court dates involved....if there are legal filings you should be able to find through court record searches....this third party who it is will be interesting to find out....Intriguing case

**bookie** · 08-12-19, 12:23 PM

Glad to hear Fairlay is working with you in some way minimal way. You've got all our attention. Keep us posted and good luck to you and Fairlay in getting this mess cleaned up--and eventually made transparent to all of us who now see ourselves as concerned parties.

**degen1** · 08-12-19, 01:15 PM

Thank you for support, this has been very helpful and therapeutic. I will keep posted, hoping for a speedy and positive outcome, but beginning to become skeptical

**degen1** · 08-12-19, 01:32 PM

Does anyone actually know whatever ended up happening to betg lol

**raiders72001** · 08-12-19, 01:41 PM

Prior to your last deposit, did Fairlay have your personal information?

**raiders72001** · 08-12-19, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

seems too long for an investigation unless there are court dates involved....if there are legal filings you should be able to find through court record searches....this third party who it is will be interesting to find out....Intriguing case

Something isn't right. I think that degen1 would be a party if the courts were involved since he has claims to the funds. The court can't confiscate his money without giving him a chance to speak.

**littlekona** · 08-12-19, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by degen1

Does anyone actually know whatever ended up happening to betg lol

he just disappeared as I was on other forum with him too and he is not there either for over year + Maybe he finally complied and got the coin and disappeared like some do here or maybe he got in some trouble...He was moving big BTC around washing so obvious criminal activity

**littlekona** · 08-12-19, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Something isn't right. I think that degen1 would be a party if the courts were involved since he has claims to the funds. The court can't confiscate his money without giving him a chance to speak.

Yea I agree this is very strange case....I am not sure how courts can be involved with the jurisdiction issues. Also not sure how it can be feds like some say. eaglesfan had a few good guesses about possible hack or stolen btc....btc is traceable so its feasible it could be traced to Fairlay and then to OP....WHo knows for sure but something very serious was flagged somehow and will be interesting to find out what and how

**raiders72001** · 08-12-19, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

Yea I agree this is very strange case....I am not sure how courts can be involved with the jurisdiction issues. Also not sure how it can be feds like some say. eaglesfan had a few good guesses about possible hack or stolen btc....btc is traceable so its feasible it could be traced to Fairlay and then to OP....WHo knows for sure but something very serious was flagged somehow and will be interesting to find out what and how

You keep saying that BTC is traceable. Most people that don't want their money traced will make it so it's not traced. The Binance hacker is running his coins through mixers now.

degen1 made his last deposit to Fairlay from an exchange. If the coins were marked as tainted, they would have been frozen at the exchange, if in a regulated jurisdiction, not Fairlay.

**littlekona** · 08-12-19, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

You keep saying that BTC is traceable. Most people that don't want their money traced will make it so it's not traced. The Binance hacker is running his coins through mixers now. degen1 made his last deposit to Fairlay from an exchange.

unless they are bad at being criminals.......Some time ago someone posted a site that traced BTC I was looking for the post and couldn't find. I remember someone posted I thought maybe a year+ or so ago....do u remember ?

**DontTailMe** · 08-12-19, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

seems too long for an investigation unless there are court dates involved....if there are legal filings you should be able to find through court record searches....this third party who it is will be interesting to find out....Intriguing case

I find it hard to believe a sportsbook would finally give back that amount of coin, after a very public affair, without getting credit for it.

**raiders72001** · 08-12-19, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

unless they are bad at being criminals.......Some time ago someone posted a site that traced BTC I was looking for the post and couldn't find. I remember someone posted I thought maybe a year+ or so ago....do u remember ?

clain.io is one site that traces transactions. Even so, after so many levels it becomes impossible or you can trade it in for a privacy coin. Marked coins would have been frozen at an exchange if authorities were involved and someone would have been charged with a crime.

**raiders72001** · 08-12-19, 03:35 PM

If there's a court order, then Fairlay should show degen1. If there isn't a court order, then degen1 should be paid now.