GOD

[Snoman]

God doesn't give people heart attacks, sin has allowed hiv, cancers, heart attacks, zika viruses, and all kinds of other problems into the world.. People sin, on a major level has allowed this, not God...

Why do you believe that these things aren't a byproduct or a result of random chance and evolution of situations from having 7+ billion instances of humans on this planet, and are instead the designed product of a system created by a singular omnipotent being?

[BigDofBA]

Regardless we pray to God,

and I did answer " the why did God do this " stuff...some pages back

God doesn't give people heart attacks, sin has allowed hiv, cancers, heart attacks, zika viruses, and all kinds of other problems into the world.. People sin, on a major level has allowed this, not God...

if everyone turned to God and really lived by Him, we would live in a dream land... So peaceful, no killings, and cancers... No big problems, there will still be problems because mans flesh is just sinful by nature, and there would be consequences but to the level it is now, just look at the shape the worlds in compared to 100 years ago, with lgbtq people, autism, zika, suicide, murder, rape sickness this is satan on the attack, and the only counter is God..

So God is so powerful he can perform miracles so we give him all the credit when something good happens but when something bad happens it isn't his fault?

And I respect your calm demeanor in this conversation Brainfreeze. We can disagree but I still respect you.

[BigDofBA]

So when innocent children get murdered in Connecticuit or in the Middle East it's Sin's fault?

There are horrible people in this world that never get punished for anything.

Why do innocent children get punished? Why did God let people in South Carolina get murderd while they were worshipping him?

Like I said, if you're ill you goto the doctor. You don't wait for God to heal you. If you wait, your chances of getting better are worse.

[brainfreeze]

So God is so powerful he can perform miracles so we give him all the credit when something good happens but when something bad happens it isn't his fault?

And I respect your calm demeanor in this conversation Brainfreeze. We can disagree but I still respect you.

Thank you, and I respect you to BigD. It's ok to disagree, we aren't always going to accept everything we hear right away, sometimes we have to just go about our life and think about it all, God has His way of showing up in our lives at the perfect time, when we need Him the most.

to answer, God doesn't know sin, He reacts around it, that it be His footstool. He told us, Do not bite off that tree of knowledge of good and evil!! Then He knew we were so He relayed the consequence " the day you do, you will surely die "! Then Eve got fooled by satan believing one of his lies, saying " surely you won't die "..

Then sin crept in, Cain and Abel ... Abel just believed in God and did what he did by faith of God, that it all was His anyway, Cain thought it was " him " working hard and bringing gifts to God, which to God wasn't acceptable, Cain got jealous because of Abels acceptance to God, and murdered him..

God being the loving God He is, didn't look to kill Cain, just banished him further out then they already were ( out of the garden of Eden ) ..

The moral of it is, the flesh wants to be prideful of the abilities God has granted, when God is the sole reason for these talents and abilities.. Rather if your just a good worker, smart knowing 20 languages, or throwing a ball, etc... They are talents given, that we exercise to make better and complete. They are gifts from Him, and us realizing this, and giving it back is acceptable and loved by Him... The day we say look at what " I did ", for you God is the day it's no good...

But sin crept in with prideful liar lucifer, he's a very powerful fallen angel, and has power, principalities, and dominion in this world.. with many others under him.. This is a war, for souls.. And more sin = more death, and we can blame God or place it correctly on ourself ( for all the sin ) and lucifer for showing us said sin..

[maggiethebestdog]

Regardless we pray to God,

and I did answer " the why did God do this " stuff...some pages back

God doesn't give people heart attacks, sin has allowed hiv, cancers, heart attacks, zika viruses, and all kinds of other problems into the world.. People sin, on a major level has allowed this, not God...

if everyone turned to God and really lived by Him, we would live in a dream land... So peaceful, no killings, and cancers... No big problems, there will still be problems because mans flesh is just sinful by nature, and there would be consequences but to the level it is now, just look at the shape the worlds in compared to 100 years ago, with lgbtq people, autism, zika, suicide, murder, rape sickness this is satan on the attack, and the only counter is God..

Holy crap. Just when I think the crazy meter couldn't go any higher, you post this??? You can not be reasoned with because you are insane. I know a lot of religious people that would cringe at yours and Bobby's posts. They are very good people that just believe something I don't.
They are not insane like you guys. When you post crazy you will be shot down. You have not proven anything except you are delusional cult members. You are a big part of the reason people hate one another so much. Your dark age view of life would be funny if it wasn't responsible for so much harm. I really hope their is a judgement day by something I am not aware of at this time. I will get a high grade because although far from perfect, I walk the walk. You will face the most hideous punishment available if one exists. You will be the one in for a rude awakening, not myself.

[JIBBBY]

The Islamic God creates panic and all they wanna do is sink the Titanic... ..

Choose your God carefully... Worship the God of peace and love and you can't go wrong I say...

[brainfreeze]

I will get a high grade because although far from perfect, I walk the walk.

Only walk you are walking without God, is to a cliff for the damned. You are blessed with another day to think about which way you are headed, I'd beg of you to reconsider, turn around and follow Him. If not, stop talking then, you don't like my post, move around... This is a thread about God, not personal attacks.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

So God is so powerful he can perform miracles so we give him all the credit when something good happens but when something bad happens it isn't his fault?

Religious peeps never want to hold God... *wait for it*... ACCOUNTABLE -- they're always being a God apologist. Always something else to explain the bad things. How convenient.

"satan on the attack"... as freezer writes above. But, but, but... wait?... didn't God create Satan?

God is the Father of all spirits including Satan's: Eph 2:2

So... let's not blame God for one lil ol fallen archangel that pulled a Sarah Palin and went rogue, oh no; after all, that was HIS choice, not God's. But, but, but... why didn't omnipotent God destroy Satan then, so Satan couldn't wreak havoc on all God's other innocent children for eons and eons? I mean, we know God has no trouble killing evil to restore the proper order -- he has the Great Flood and Sodom and Gomorrah (among other things) on his illustrious resume, after all. Wouldn't it have been the ultimate loving gesture to protect innocents from evil if you actually had the power to do so? Isn't it actually a profound dereliction (of the highest order) that you allow Satan to continue to exist when you... 1) were the one responsible for creating him and 2) in fact, possess the power to stop him.

Let's get real, men... friggin STAR WARS has a better overall GOOD/EVIL storyline.

[brainfreeze]

Why do you believe that these things aren't a byproduct or a result of random chance and evolution of situations from having 7+ billion instances of humans on this planet, and are instead the designed product of a system created by a singular omnipotent being?

Well snoman, I do believe it could be a byproduct but not by random chances, I believe it's fornication, abortions, iniquity, murder, pedophiles, abduction, and so on.. that has caused this, then to add the ease of getting to food, shelter, and water these days... We've let it thrive, and becoming more acceptable to sin, we are being washed by the tv, movies, " stars ", politicians, and other hidden sources to be comfortable with people " the way they are " ... So what if they're gay right? So what if this one likes to kill people right? So what if this one likes little boys, right...?!?

It's getting out of control, and the more acceptable we become to immorality, the worse it will get guaranteed.

[brainfreeze]

Religious peeps never want to hold God... *wait for it*... ACCOUNTABLE -- they're always being a God apologist. Always something else to explain the bad things. How convenient.

"satan on the attack"... as freezer writes above. But, but, but... wait?... didn't God create Satan?

God is the Father of all spirits including Satan's: Eph 2:2

So... let's not blame God for one lil ol fallen archangel that pulled a Sarah Palin and went rogue, oh no; after all, that was HIS choice, not God's. But, but, but... why didn't omnipotent God destroy Satan then, so Satan couldn't wreak havoc on all God's other innocent children for eons and eons? I mean, we know God has no trouble killing evil to restore the proper order -- he has the Great Flood and Sodom and Gomorrah (among other things) on his illustrious resume, after all. Wouldn't it have been the ultimate loving gesture to protect innocents from evil if you actually had the power to do so? Isn't it actually a profound dereliction (of the highest order) that you allow Satan to continue to exist when you... 1) were the one responsible for creating him and 2) in fact, possess the power to stop him.

Let's get real, men... friggin STAR WARS has a better overall GOOD/EVIL storyline.

you sound like you know a little bit of the bible biter, that's a start anyway.. What about the part where God will destroy lucifer? he will be cast into the lake of fire, he has but a short time left, and that time is actually getting very short as we speak...

The Angels had a choice bite, some chose to follow lucifer, some stayed faithful to God. Choices bite, now man has a choice as well, we are born with free will. These things on earth will try us, consequences of sin even. We can't let this determine our fate. We are men, and we should stand up and do right by God, living for Him, and walking behind His example Jesus Christ.. and setting good examples for our families and children .. Being a blessing and not a curse.

[Snoman]

Well snoman, I do believe it could be a byproduct but not by random chances, I believe it's fornication, abortions, iniquity, murder, pedophiles, abduction, and so on.. that has caused this...

Okay, with that stated, explain HOW those things you listed has the effect of causing negative events to occur?

[BigDofBA]

I went to the eye doctor to get contacts because my vision is bad.

God created me but it's not his fault my vision is bad.

I went to the doctor to correct my
Vision. Praise God I can see well again.

See how silly that sounds? This is the type of logic religious people use.

[brainfreeze]

Okay, with that stated, explain HOW those things you listed has the effect of causing negative events to occur?

Through the hearts of man, I could give a hundred different storylines for this, but the thing we have to start with, is the corrupt flesh of man, and the iniquity that is conceived in the heart, and then into action. The wages of sin is death.

[BigDofBA]

Through the hearts of man, I could give a hundred different storylines for this, but the thing we have to start with, is the corrupt flesh of man, and the iniquity that is conceived in the heart, and then into action. The wages of sin is death.

There is proof of why people die and none of it is sin.

When Children were murdered in Newtown what exactly did they do to deserve it? Was it sin that killed them?

If God exists that means he created the psycho that killed all of those kids. Why would God do that?

If you were a child that survived Newtown would you grow up thanking God you didn't die? If so, do you thank him that others died? You can't really thank God in that situation because God didn't save everyone. I highly doubt the families of the victims are thanking God for his actions.

Why would God allow his own people to be murdered when they were worshipping him in Charleston?

If you're correct that means that God made us imperfect for his own entertainment and he also created a bunch of horrible things that he makes he human race live through in agony.

[bobbywaves]

Our life expectancy would be 6 yrs old if it wasn't for science. The fact you don't acknowledge that shows how ignorant you really are.

Noah, Adam, Seth, Enosh, Cainan, Jared, & Methuselah, all lived over 900 years. Yet you want us to believe without science, we wouldn't live past 6 years old?

This clearly demonstrates your ignorance.

[brainfreeze]

There is proof of why people die and none of it is sin.

When Children were murdered in Newtown what exactly did they do to deserve it? Was it sin that killed them?

If God exists that means he created the psycho that killed all of those kids. Why would God do that?

If you were a child that survived Newtown would you grow up thanking God you didn't die? If so, do you thank him that others died? You can't really thank God in that situation because God didn't save everyone. I highly doubt the families of the victims are thanking God for his actions.

Why would God allow his own people to be murdered when they were worshipping him in Charleston?

If you're correct that means that God made us imperfect for his own entertainment and he also created a bunch of horrible things that he makes he human race live through in agony.

I'm not here to explain certain cases, and certain people's children. This is Gods to deal with, not mine. I'm sure those children are still growing in heaven, and I'm sure they are thanking and praising God in this very moment. The one that did survive should still thank God regardless..

God did not create that psycho, it sounds like he was on a boat load of mental drugs, to try to stable him yet the doctor in his care was banging other patients and taking advantage (sin) so, who do we blame? A negligent Doctor, or the kid that supposedly did the act? http://www.newstimes.com/policerepor...th-7295601.php

God allows all to live, and God told us, beginning with first man ( original sin ) that we are all born with, do not eat off that tree!! You will die!! .. We have a chance at eternal life, it's a decision of the heart that every man & woman will have to make.

[Snoman]

At some point it starts feeling like banging your head against a wall trying to reason with someone who's arbitrarily just decided to believe something...

[PittsburghPlayer]

There is proof of why people die and none of it is sin.

When Children were murdered in Newtown what exactly did they do to deserve it? Was it sin that killed them?

If God exists that means he created the psycho that killed all of those kids. Why would God do that?

If you were a child that survived Newtown would you grow up thanking God you didn't die? If so, do you thank him that others died? You can't really thank God in that situation because God didn't save everyone. I highly doubt the families of the victims are thanking God for his actions.

Why would God allow his own people to be murdered when they were worshipping him in Charleston?

If you're correct that means that God made us imperfect for his own entertainment and he also created a bunch of horrible things that he makes he human race live through in agony.

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[maggiethebestdog]

Noah, Adam, Seth, Enosh, Cainan, Jared, & Methuselah, all lived over 900 years. Yet you want us to believe without science, we wouldn't live past 6 years old?

This clearly demonstrates your ignorance.

Holy crap. Somehow that proves I am ignorant??? You do realize that nothing in the bible is fact, right?? If you believe something like that is true and don't require facts, then ignorant would not begin to describe you.

[brainfreeze]

Where are those " rocks are billions of years old " guys ..

ever heard of this find?

http://www.creationevidence.org/disp...n_artifact.php

I'm waiting on " logical " talk with a supposed 400 million year old rock rapped around a iron hammer that can't be made today, found in Texas.

[maggiethebestdog]

Only walk you are walking without God, is to a cliff for the damned. You are blessed with another day to think about which way you are headed, I'd beg of you to reconsider, turn around and follow Him. If not, stop talking then, you don't like my post, move around... This is a thread about God, not personal attacks.

In the bible, God murders around 25 million people. He also commands followers to murder certain groups of people. They don't do that because they would go to jail the rest of their lives. You don't even know what the bible commands you to do. Funny how you think that you live by this book, but never do the dirty deeds you are commanded to in it to save your own tail. If your God does exist, you will fair much worse than I because I never said I lived by the word of God and only followed him on the easy stuff. Judgment and intolerance are the easy ways. You won't get your hands dirty for the cause. I will stand toe to toe with you that day. You are screwed.

[BigDofBA]

In the bible, God murders around 25 million people. He also commands followers to murder certain groups of people. They don't do that because they would go to jail the rest of their lives. You don't even know what the bible commands you to do. Funny how you think that you live by this book, but never do the dirty deeds you are commanded to in it to save your own tail. If your God does exist, you will fair much worse than I because I never said I lived by the word of God and only followed him on the easy stuff. Judgment and intolerance are the easy ways. You won't get your hands dirty for the cause. I will stand toe to toe with you that day. You are screwed.

Thanks again for bringing some common sense to this topic.

[brainfreeze]

Thanks again for bringing some common sense to this topic.

I can't help but shake my head at the comment ... He's talking Old Testament wars and David battling Goliath type of stuff... Where the Hebrew tribes were called to do what God wanted, for them to have success and stay alive. Are they just supposed to fall over and die while there women are being raped and town being pillaged? ...

Anyways, there's a difference in defending in war, and going out murdering. What type of " killing " does matter.

The New Testament, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is what I live by, btw... It says to bless those who curse you and pray for those who despitful use you. Love God with all your heart, mind, and soul. Love your neighbor as your self, .. So I'd love for this guy maggiethebestdog to find the verse ( in the New Testament ) that calls for murder,

its just bad understanding...

[bobbywaves]

I went to the eye doctor to get contacts because my vision is bad.

God created me but it's not his fault my vision is bad.

I went to the doctor to correct my
Vision. Praise God I can see well again.

See how silly that sounds? This is the type of logic religious people use.

What about multiple doctors telling many patients they have less than a month to live, but then they miraculously go on to live full lives? This scenario happens often.

Since you dismiss the healing power of God, the only logical conclusion is these doctors are uneducated idiots, trying to scare people to death with their false prognosis.

See how silly that sounds? This is the type of logic Atheists use.

[maggiethebestdog]

I can't help but shake my head at the comment ... He's talking Old Testament wars and David battling Goliath type of stuff... Where the Hebrew tribes were called to do what God wanted, for them to have success and stay alive. Are they just supposed to fall over and die while there women are being raped and town being pillaged? ...

Anyways, there's a difference in defending in war, and going out murdering. What type of " killing " does matter.

The New Testament, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is what I live by, btw... It says to bless those who curse you and pray for those who despitful use you. Love God with all your heart, mind, and soul. Love your neighbor as your self, .. So I'd love for this guy maggiethebestdog to find the verse ( in the New Testament ) that calls for murder,

its just bad understanding...

Oh, I see. You only want to follow the parts of the Bible that aren't hideous. That is the majority of it. So when you see God on judgment day you can explain to him why you cherry picked his words and commands to suit your own needs. Explain to him why you ignored his command to kill the innocent people he wanted you to kill. The homosexuals and people working on Sunday to name 2. Explain to him how the Old Testament is not to be followed and how you never even followed the New Testament. I'm sure he won't have a problem with that. You got the judgment and intolerance down well, now we just have to get you to go to the extreme so you can go to heaven for eternity. You aren't willing to go to jail to follow your God, but you think you will live in eternity with him??? You are the one with the misunderstanding. God will explain it to in full if you are too stupid to listen to me.

[bobbywaves]

Somehow that proves I am ignorant???

Absolutely proves it. You stated, "our life expectancy would be 6 yrs old if it wasn't for science."

Do you realize the average caveman lived to be 25?

How much science do you think was going on back then?

[BigDofBA]

What about multiple doctors telling a patients they have less than a month to live, but then they miraculously go on to live full lives? This scenario happens often.

Since you dismiss the healing power of God, the only logical conclusion is these doctors are uneducated idiots, scaring people to death with their false prognosis.

See how silly that sounds? This is the type of logic Atheists use.

People do make recoveries but you can't prove its because of God.

Religious people cherry pick. If something good happens all praise is to God. If something bad happens it's not god's fault.

If God existed and had such great powers why would they get sick in the first place? Does God just like to watch people suffer?

[maggiethebestdog]

Absolutely proves it. You stated, "our life expectancy would be 6 yrs old if it wasn't for science."

Do you realize the average caveman lived to be 25?

How much science do you think was going on back then?

Wow. So you know how long the average caveman lived??? Wow, you are way smarter than I am. Are you serious?? I guess you missed that thing about the polio disease that was wiping out kids until a vaccine was produced to combat it. Same thing with chicken pox and a lot of other deadly diseases contracted by kids in the past. The kids in the Sudan, who are the victims of genocide, another religious inspired initiative, and are cut off from medicine and food, live to around 6. You and I would both be dead a long time ago if it weren't for the vaccinations we got when we were young kids. The fact you don't get that is quite stupid. The fact you don't understand that caveman ate and began science by discovering fire proves how out of touch with reality you really are.

[bobbywaves]

People do make recoveries but you can't prove its because of God.

People make miraculous recoveries as well, you can't disprove it's God.

Since these patients should be dead according to intelligent doctors & science, your argument is shot down. Only a higher power could save these individuals.

If God existed and had such great powers why would they get sick in the first place? Does God just like to watch people suffer?

Sickness can be a challenging topic. We think that a good and loving God would not allow sickness, and yet we know that sickness exists. We can begin to believe that sickness is the result of a person's sin. While that may sometimes be the case, sickness is often just a result of living in a fallen world. So why does God allow this?

(John 9) describes Jesus healing a man who had been blind since birth. Jesus' disciples asked if the man's blindness was caused by his sin or that of his parents. Jesus replied, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned … but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life" (John 9:3 NIV). In this case, God allowed sickness in order that His glory might be shown.

If we trust in the sovereignty of God and the goodness of God, we know that nothing happens outside of His will (Matthew 10:29; Ephesians 1:11; Job 42:2), and we also know that everything He does is motivated by love (1 John 4:8; Luke 18:19). Therefore sickness must sometimes fit into His will and into His loving nature. This is not to say that God is the cause of sickness. As mentioned, sometimes sickness is just a natural result of living in a world marred by sin. At times sickness can also be an attack of Satan (Matthew 17:14-18; Luke 13:10-16). Sickness could be used to test and refine our faith, as Job's trials were. Sickness could also be a form of discipline, a tangible demonstration of imperfect life that leads us to greater dependence on and obedience to God (see Psalm 119:65-72).

An important thing to remember is that God's ways are not our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9). Often we do not understand exactly why God allows things to happen or causes things to happen a certain way. But we do know God and can trust in His character. He is for us (Romans 8:31-32). We also "know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose." (Romans 8:28). Even in a sickness we may not understand, we can trust that in God's timing the sickness will be redeemed. God will work it into His good purpose for our lives and for His glory.

One caveat. This truth is often not particularly comforting to someone in the grips of an illness. Yes, God knows His purpose in the sickness and that things will turn out for our good and His glory, but that purpose is not always evident to us. We legitimately go through times of questioning God and feelings of pain. God is not offended when we pour out our hearts to Him. We are allowed to approach God with our sicknesses, to request healing, and to share our hurt with Him. Look at the Psalms! We can be viscerally honest with God while still trusting in His goodness and faithfulness. God is not hardened to our emotions (John 11:35; Psalm 56:8); He cares for us and invites us to give our struggles over to Him (1 Peter 5:7).

[maggiethebestdog]

Why do you keep quoting a book you do not follow??? God is watching you.

[BigDofBA]

People make miraculous recoveries as well, you can't disprove it's God.

Since these patients should be dead according to intelligent doctors & science, your argument is shot down. Only a higher power could save these individuals.

For every so called "miracle" there is the case of a tragic death at a young age for whatever reason. Hell, Kimbo Slice just died young.

Weird things happen in life. Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean God did it. Man couldn't figure out why anything happened in the beginning so they just made up reasons and gave God credit. As man progresses they continue to eliminate God as the reason for things happening.

There are plane crashes when some people die and some people survive. God has just about as much to do with the people surviving as the people that die....nothing.

Obviously we don't agree. You're biased in you're thinking and I need proof to believe something. I ask questions and you just answer with another question.

You give all credit to God when something good happens and don't fault him when something bad happens. You elect to quote good pieces of scripture while ignoring pieces of scripture that teach hate, racism, and intolerance of fell man.

You can't prove a negative. I can't prove the Tooth Fairy or Santa Clause don't exist either.

[brainfreeze]

Oh, I see. You only want to follow the parts of the Bible that aren't hideous. That is the majority of it. So when you see God on judgment day you can explain to him why you cherry picked his words and commands to suit your own needs. Explain to him why you ignored his command to kill the innocent people he wanted you to kill. The homosexuals and people working on Sunday to name 2. Explain to him how the Old Testament is not to be followed and how you never even followed the New Testament. I'm sure he won't have a problem with that. You got the judgment and intolerance down well, now we just have to get you to go to the extreme so you can go to heaven for eternity. You aren't willing to go to jail to follow your God, but you think you will live in eternity with him??? You are the one with the misunderstanding. God will explain it to in full if you are too stupid to listen to me.

I hate to laugh, but your funny... Know what your talking about, if you're going to speak on any of this. That's the old law, old mosaic law, with 613 laws to be exact.. Jesus came to FULFILL the law, didn't He heal a man on the sabbath?

Should I be sacrificing doves to, from your confused perspective?

[BigDofBA]

Brainfreeze, you bring a nice perspective and I like reading what you have to say but can you explain some of these things to me?


If the Bible is accurate, then the earth is not billions of years old. However, with the Hubble's Law, we have learned otherwise. The universe is billions of years old and is expanding. This means the Bible is not accurate does it not?

If people could walk on water and live to be 900, why did God quit allowing those things to happen? If it was possible back then and God was controlling it, why would he have any reason to stop?

Do you really just think it's a coincidence? I don't believe anyone has ever lived to be 900 because I've never seen, known, or talked to anyone that has done that. Neither has anyone on this planet. Same with walking on water and some of the other things that happened in the Bible.

This leads me to believe the Bible is fiction. It seems like a collection of fables, some good, on how one should live their life.

I just explained above my thought process. Do you think my thinking is crazy or logical?

[bobbywaves]

Wow. So you know how long the average caveman lived???

Yes, common knowledge.

Wow, you are way smarter than I am.

Apparently.

Are you serious??

Dead serious.

I guess you missed that thing about the polio disease that was wiping out kids until a vaccine was produced to combat it. Same thing with chicken pox and a lot of other deadly diseases contracted by kids in the past. The kids in the Sudan, who are the victims of genocide, another religious inspired initiative, and are cut off from medicine and food, live to around 6. You and I would both be dead a long time ago if it weren't for the vaccinations we got when we were young kids. The fact you don't get that is quite stupid. The fact you don't understand that caveman ate and began science by discovering fire proves how out of touch with reality you really are.

Yet the average caveman somehow lived 25 years, without vaccinations & modern medicine. According to you, their average life span should have been 6 years.

[brainfreeze]

Brainfreeze, you bring a nice perspective and I like reading what you have to say but can you explain some of these things to me?


If the Bible is accurate, then the earth is not billions of years old. However, with the Hubble's Law, we have learned otherwise. The universe is billions of years old and is expanding. This means the Bible is not accurate does it not?

If people could walk on water and live to be 900, why did God quit allowing those things to happen? If it was possible back then and God was controlling it, why would he have any reason to stop?

Do you really just think it's a coincidence? I don't believe anyone has ever lived to be 900 because I've never seen, known, or talked to anyone that has done that. Neither has anyone on this planet. Same with walking on water and some of the other things that happened in the Bible.

This leads me to believe the Bible is fiction. It seems like a collection of fables, some good, on how one should live their life.

I just explained above my thought process. Do you think my thinking is crazy or logical?

Ok, let's start like this, we had to start somewhere right? We are at 7 billion people now, we were at 5 billion some 50 years or so ago.. And so on and so on... If we could go back far enough we would be at 2 Adam then Eve, then Cain, Abel, and Seth ... Now, one must have knowledge that when Cain was banished, he settled outside of Israel, in the land of Canaan. As he got older he got familar with other offspring of Eve, so now he had offspring, and he wasn't right with God, and the promise wasn't established yet ( that came to Abraham and his son Isaac ) so this is where other people like Sumerians and Egyptians come from, these were a people far from God.

Then the lineage, ...and yes they lived a very long time, Adam was over 900, but the promise came through ( Abraham, his son Isaac, and his son Jacob ) these were the chosen, these were the ones who were right by God, who's heart was in the right place. Who lived and knew God was everything, and without Him we were nothing.

Why is it so hard to believe that man lived to 900? That's kind of a easy one to believe to me, the walking on water, and rising the dead ( Lazarus ) pulling gold out of a fishes mouth caught from the sea... Now this stuff can be hard to believe, I don't think you are crazy, and I understand your logic.. I kind of thought that way to, I didn't know what to believe. Once I figured you can't really trust anything mainstream, and we all need to honestly study and do our own research, not blindly follow people who think they know with whatever credentials and then them themselves turn Christian on their death bed, leading plenty astray along the way.

Your not crazy, you have just been following the world to long... Be what you were born to be, a child of God.