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Minet you have been on the run before so you know the deal
London is a license to get caught by US Authorities
Mexico City, Columbia and Dominican Rep the safest but you need connections with locals that hang in the upper hillsComment -
Never and I mean never go to Dominican republic,its North Philadelphia with palm trees
and three times as dangerous if your outside the gringo torista zones
Mexico isn't bad but a blonde Italian chippie from Boston will stick out with the local officials
If worse came to worse they can hide her out at the smoke shop out side of MontrealComment -
Well he's not a US citizen and has no business in the US. I don't think there is a way he could be a tax evader in the US if he wanted to. If he owes Canadian taxes that would be news to me.
The two count indictment is pretty week. It would have been a one count'er except for the creativity of the Justice Dept's constantly redefined meaning of money laundering to now include Bodog paying winning players.Comment -
Oh....he's not a US citizen? Well, then....fukk him anyway.
I'm certainly not interested in defending some foreigner that has broken the laws of my country.
And for all you saying why would he ever want to set foot in the US again? Wait till he needs a root canal while living in the UK.
In case you haven't noticed, they're not real big on dental hygiene over there.Comment -
I'll presume you mean any online book, and not "any" book, as there are plenty of books in the U.S. that legally take wagers. You know there's a place called Vegas that takes wagers on everything. It is 100% legal, and the state of Nevada also offers legal prostitution. If you're there, you can cash winning tickets as soon as the event is concluded, so you don't have to wait or pay any withdrawal fees, and then you can go legally get a happy (or should I say happier) ending after you cash.Comment -
Vegas only place to bet legally
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The arrest warrants have been issued for Ayre and the three others. The steps go, arrest warrants, determine where they are, put together a request to the foreign government for their provisional arrest, send it through the State Department, the foreign countries arrest them, they stay in jail until the extradition hearing, the hearing is held, they are ordered extradited, they appeal, the appeal is denied, they are extradited. Probably takes two to five years before they hit US soil.
In Ayre's case, he is in a hopeless spot. He is flaunting them, he has Becky demeaning the prosecutors and the law, and he is still carrying on online gaming in the US. Bovada, you can wipe your ass with that in terms of how effective a shield that is going to be for him.Comment -
The U.S. Government is a scam, and is not by the people for the people. It is by the wealthy and powerful for the wealthy and powerful. They also run the biggest ponzi scheme ever known, called social security. The politicians still give themselves pay raises, even after the public votes against. That one in Massachusetts years back really was the bell being tolled of how meaningless a citizen's vote really is. Politicians vote for healthcare for the public that they and their families would never use, they trade stock on inside info, they sell out to lobbyists merely for personal unethical gains, etc. etc. etc.
As has happened throught history, a revolution is inevitable. So they all have their golden parachutes ready, and a decadent Dubai destination all built and waiting for them with open arms. The United States is being run into the ground, and the wealthy and powerful are bleeding every cent they can while they can. The mighty military will fold as their leaders who sent them to meaningless places to put their lives on the line, come back (if they survive) to live homeless on the streets.
Hands down the worst run facility by far when I worked for a medical supply company procurring prescriptions, was when I had to call a V.A. hospital. I called public hospitals, private hospitals, doctor offices, clinics, home health organizations, etc. The only facility I called and always hit a dead end when trying to locate the customer's physician for approving a certificate of medical necessity (needed for the customer's order to be covered by insurance), was the V.A. And when I'd call the vet back to let them know I couldn't locate their physician to fulfill the order on the product they need (or would at least help them be, feel and live better), the vet would say that's how they are and that they can never get through either. And I'd call and speak to or leave countless messages at the nurse's station, medical records dept, front desk, admin, and you name it. They, and they're the only ones, just don't respond.
So yea, forget border patrol, rounding up and deporting violent illegal immigrants, securing our schools, and stopping the oil companies from bleeding the consumer at the pump (even though it's the people's oil that the oil company's are permitted to extract from the people's land via leases). If the oil company can make an extra buck by shipping the oil to China, while at the same time sacrificing the whole domestic economy, they don't even think twice while they forget who's oil it is. Not to mention that the price of gas is not based on suppy and demand, but on a smoke and mirror manipulated speculation of what maybe down the road will happen to oil. As far as I'm concerned, homeland security should be rounding up the oil tycoons who pilfer our oil during soaring gas prices then export it from the U.S, and execute them all for committing blatant treason. Instead, on a country founded by life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, homeland security chooses to waste countless resources on shutting down a site offering entertainment to consenting adults.
Anyway, I too really like your post Dane, and forgive my rant, as my passion for the people is steaming.
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Not exactly true either. Last time I took a day cruise on the Palm Beach Princess, they took sports wagers. Thus, there our countless cruise ships where you can legally gamble to your hearts content too. Now you might say though you're leaving a U.S. port, you're not actually gambling on U.S. soil, as the ship has to be like 2 miles offshore. Still, it's not like you have to cruise to Costa Rica. In fact, it's like only 45 minutes after they leave port, that the tables, slots and sportsbook take action. If I leave a U.S. port to go on a 5 hour cruise, that will then return to that same U.S. port, it's pretty much legal U.S. gambling to me.
The only problem I had with betting a game on the cruise however, is that you usually couldn't cash a winning ticket on the same cruise. Ship left port at 7 PM, gambling by 8 PM, gambling shut down about 11 PM, and back at port at midnight. You'd get a nice dinner buffet as you head out, and nice breakfast buffet as you head back. Just if your game didn't end prior to the cut off, you'd have to book another cruise on the next or on another day to cash a winning ticket.
Though I imagine you could find someone to cash the ticket for you on the same night for a fee. Like when winning over $600 at the track, in order to cash you have to fill out a tax reporting form, in which you'd be liable for say giving 25% of the winnings to the feds. To circumvent that, there was always disabled folks in wheelchairs at the track who are in a tax exempt status, who would cash the ticket for you for 10%. So if you won $1,000, instead of giving say $250 of that to the IRS, you give the disabled person $100 and walk away with $900 free and clear. Meanwhile, the disabled person just made an easy $100 so they're extremely happy to oblige.Comment -
WTF, is my money safe or not. Someone please tell me.Comment -
To me guys it just looks like a scare tactic they are using to scare people from betting offshore at the moment. It doesn't look like Calvin is worried at all from the pics and articles i've read. In this case they haven't been offline for 1 second.Comment -
Calvin is very worried
He is not normal if he is not
Does Calvin sleep at night
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I think it's funny when we act like...oh yea he is okay as long as he doesn't step on US ground.
Bullshit, since when does the US gov care about breakig a law when they really want someone arrested...lolsComment -
Have seen this happen at least twice already with 2 totally different scenarios:
Bookmaker.com got seized, but no U.S. player to my knowledge lost one cent as they reopened @ Bookmaker.ag, as Bookmaker is a reputable House.
Beted.com got seized, and though they could have done what Bookmaker did, they absconded with all their members' cash instead. Though they claim the U.S seized their bank accounts, everyone knows that what the U.S. seized was only a tiny fraction of their holdings, as they constantly moved the money to other accounts (and their pockets) where the cash was safe. Only money in transit from the processor basically was seized. Thus Beted, and covers.com that pimped out these theives, are irreputable to say the least.
My favorite book currently is Heritagesports, who I hope changes out of a .com URL. Anyone know if that will soon happen?Comment -
I'd bet Calvin sleeps like (or better than) a baby princess and like a human being who has a billion dollars living on a tropical island, and that he is not in the least bit worried as he lives his life of opulence that all began by him swindling the Canadian stock exchange.
It's not that he's not normal. He just doesn't have conscious.Comment -
Who do you think the US Govt would be more interested in extraditing - Julian Assange or Calvin Ayre? As it stands, the chances of them ever getting Assange extradited to the US are very slim. Regardless of how powerful the US is, there are actually limits to what they can do or even what they want to do short of kidnapping. And that's not something they do in first world countries. The only time your chances are greatly reduced in a non treaty country is when you're a terrorist, a major drug lord, took your child without the other parent's permission/against a court order or committed murder (unless you're in a country like Australia, Canada, Mexico or any EU country as they won't extradite you if you can face the death penalty). I had to spend my own cash to figure out these laws for different reasons but I promise you: Myself or any other US citizen parent would have a better chance of getting extradited back to the US if we "abducted" our child according to the Hague Convention - even if we were living in a 3rd world cave - before someone in Calvin's position would in a non treaty country.Comment -
No one's money from the U.S. who is illegally gambling online with offshore sites is safe. That's just reality. As soon they have your money, your money will never be safe again until if and when you have the cash back in your possession. There's never any guarantee of or insurance against not ever getting paid, and you have no recourse when it happens that you don't.
Besides, if you gamble with these places, you're destined to lose anyway. And if you're lucky enough to win, you're destined to let it ride untl you lose. If you are one of the few who gamble for a living, you'd just move to Vegas, Canada, Europe, Costa Rica, etc. Presuming you don't gamble for a living, why worry about getting paid? As soon as you send your money offshore, you should be kissing it goodbye and don't expect any thank yous from Calvin for your deposit. I can only picture him and those like him, that secretly read the daily report of how much money they just profited, of having a huge grin on their faces as they say to themselves, "what an abundance of ignorant suckers there are out there who volunteer to bend over, grab their ankles, and spread their cheeks." Hope you at least enjoy the action.Last edited by 4seasons; 02-29-12, 02:37 PM.Comment -
Treaties are not going to matter with Ayre. America doesn't have treaties with Thailand or the Phillipines last time I looked. If they want you, they send a letter to those countries and they send you. Those countries can deport anyone as an undesirable. Where do they deport Ayre to? Canada. He'd be arrested coming off the plane, and he would be extradited.
The politics around Assange would be just too enormous to extradite him. Ayre is just your garden variety criminal. Bigger $$$, but still, a criminal, and one who is continuing to flout the law and trash talk US prosecutors.
He will end up in the US.Comment -
Hank - You're missing the point. No treaty = No letter. That's the whole point. Treaties HELP the US. No treaties = nothing unless you fall in one of those categories I said before. They don't extradite "undesirables" who are loaded unless you've broken a law there also (not a duality law... you need to have been also breaking a law in that country concurrently with your actions). Again, please read up on this. Seriously, I have. Well I did after others did for me. This Bodog investigation went on for 7 years and this is all they did. Seized a website that was deemed useless in '08 after that other guy jacked the name anyway. Show me an example of when the Philippines extradited someone to the US?
I really wish we could put bets on this stuff somewhere because even though I've never spoken a word to Calvin, I do know the laws unfortunately. I'd be willing to max out on that he won't see jail or ever even be back in the US - unless he voluntarily cuts a deal and says I'll do 6mths if you f off forever.Last edited by shari91; 02-29-12, 03:23 PM.Comment -
If you got us gov't for 50 + million in taxes they will get you
USA too strong
Now its not up to Calvin, If Justice Dpt wants him they will have him in no time
It just depends how bad they want him
We have so many ties with every Country it would be taking candy away from a baby to get him
I just think US not really worried about him right nowComment -
Lets all give a big round of applause to the Republicans enacting the UIGEA law
Thanks you guys so much for worrying about what I do with my money
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Obama's Department of Justice is f*cking you in the a$s and sticking a finger in your eye when you look back to ask for a reach around.Comment -
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