No Pennies For Elderly & Disabled But Tax Breaks For The Rich?

[Andy117]

If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.A liberal will delete it because he's "offended."

Conservatives aren't nearly as flexible with what they'll permit as you'd like to think. They're for bans on gambling, marijuana and a bunch of other things. They're just as likely to silence or prohibit things they dislike as liberals are.

[Andy117]

Not his job to save the auto industry which he never did. He spent tax payers money to save union jobs from a corporation losing money for several years. That's what banks are for. If GM went under, then Ford (who remained profitable) and others would benefit. Free market. I love GM vehicles btw and have owned a couple. Do you think Obama would have bailed out GM if it wasn't a Union shop?

The demise of GM and Chrysler would have been devastating to this country. Unemployment would have been even worse and from what I've heard the suppliers that GM use would have also gone under, this would have severely harmed Ford as they use those same suppliers as well.

[lyon804]

Half of all workers dont pay any income tax at all. They get back the same or more than what they pay in.

The other half is paying all the income tax and amazingly its the half that doesnt pay anything that is always saying the other half needs to start paying its fair share.

I agree there shouldnt be big tax cute for the mega rich when we have a 14 trillion dollar deficit, and I certainly agree the estate tax neds to be reinstated and at far lower than the 10 million dollar cutoff.

but really its hard to get on board with all these people who are always crying about how the poor man is so victimized.

We have a 14 trillion dollar debt because this has become such a welfare state. It seems like evryone I know is on "the programs".

I know one girl ( and I swear to god this is true ), she works at mcdonalds making minimum wage, she has 4 or 5 kids all different daddies, she gets section 8 free rent of $1100 a month ( I dont pay $1100 a month ), she gets food stamps, she gets welfare check, she gets WIC, she gets her electric bill paid, she pays in $20 or $30 a check in income tax and then gets back $8000 at the end of the year using the earned income tax credit for having a boatlaod of kids, she leaves her kids with her mom while she is working, and the gov't PAYS her mom for watching the kids.

Now I make about 40K, time I pay all my taxes I bring hom maybe 28 K. I dont have cable, she does. I have a cheap cell phone, she has 2 cellphones and the one I was looking at the other day is 100 times better than mine, she has better transportation than me, she spends more at the grocery than me, she always has weed money, I dont, she always has cigs, i dont smoke.

I have never been on food stamps, welfare, unemployment, etc. I am not complaing, I am proud of that, but its real hard for me to feel sorry for these "poor poor people that arent getting enough handouts from the govt"

couldn't agree more with this post.

[lyon804]

Why is it that you idiots think any criticism of the liberal ethic carries with it some inherent endorsement of the GOP?

Sure Republicans are scumbags. If they are politicians surely they are scumbags. All politicians are scumbags.

But I'm talking about civilians here man. OK. And liberals see the world differently. They admit as much. They don't see things in black and white, but "varying shades of gray."

And sure, some times context matters, but not all the time. And liberals think it matters all the time.

Example:

Conservatives like to say there's right, and there's wrong. With few exceptions. Liberals think there are lots of exceptions. And this is why is conservatives think affirmative action is stupid and counterproductive, and liberals think it's a good idea. It's why conservatives don't blame society or racism for the majority of struggles faced by today's black Americans, but liberals do.

Conservatives say if you're going to take an easy job, not work hard at it, and fail to show any initiative, you're not going to go anywhere in life. And that's your fault. And if you're going to spend your free time drinking and doing drugs, having countless sexual encounters and fathering out of wedlock children, well, then that's your fault. And it's your responsibility. And if you end up broke and in jail, and your kids do the same, then that's your fault, and your responsibility. But that's not what a liberal believes, no. No, not at all. It's a cultural thing. It's not their fault, that's how they're raised. We can't blame them for that says the liberals. Except, of course, when that culture also teaches them that dog-fighting is cool.

Michael Vick's situation is a perfect example of the situational ethics of liberals. Liberals think blacks are dumb helpless incompetent morons who can't learn from their mistakes, and this cultural mentality, a by-product of our racist society is why they can't learn right from wrong, IE: not to do drugs, steal, rob, rape, murder, etc. It's not their fault they don't know right from wrong. They can't help it.

But then Mike Vick goes and raises him some pit-bulls to put them in a ring and fight other dogs, because you know it's the thing to do, it's a part of his culture. And when they don't do well in the ring, he tortures them. Did the liberals excuse that? F*CK NO. And why not? Because liberals love animals more than they love pretending they care about helping black people. And when a black guy starts mutilating animals, is there a grey area? NOPE. "That's wrong! It's just wrong!" all the liberals said. OHHHHHHHHHHHHH, so now when they screw up in a way that offends your sensibilities, they are capable of knowing right from wrong?

It's the worst form of hypocrisy. And yeah, conservatives are hypocrites too. But when a conservative is a hypocrite, it's generally on the individual level and doesn't involve asking the government to sanction it.

See the difference?

Madcap.. maybe the post of the year right here. It is quite obvious you have a high intellect not seen in a gambling forum very often. Off the charts stuff and well articulated.

[ttwarrior1]

ive never had any tax cut, so bush tax cuts dont apply to me

[wtf]

great posting madcap

I truly think voting should be an earned right, not GIVEN

this right can be earned by one of the following ;

paying taxes
being in the military
etc...

being in school DOES NOT ENTITLE one to vote

[King Mayan]

You don't really want to know what I think. You are good guy PP, but I do believe in the survival of the fittest. I do believe in conservative values. I do believe in working for what is yours. I believe in earning it. I believe in the free market enterprise. I belive in economics. I agree that no system is perfect. My ideals I will admit are not perfect, but it is the best system for the masses. Trickle down economics works better than trickle up poverty. None are perfect, again let's make that clear. When you continue to rob from the haves to give to the have nots you create more job loss and deportation of jobs because the wealthy are not into throwing there money away to the incompetent ass government. Right now in America is as low as I have ever seen it. The little guy is behind the eight ball with all the government taxes and government regulations. I know this because I am an employer and it's not worth it for me to hire anybody else right now. I rather keep what I got rather than pay somebody else and pay government employment taxes and healthcare. The government is putting business at a competetive disadvantage and you probably don't see it because you get your little check on Friday rather the company made money or lost money. I'm sorry, there will always be poor and needy. As I mentioned above some people are just lemons. Some lemons win the lottery and end up broke again in 10 yrs. Some are destined for failure. Most get what they want out of live. Most liberals would rather complain, moan and groan about whoa is me, and what the government ought to being doing for them rather than staking there own claim in this world and taking what is their's. We all make choices in life, some make choices to take chances and create for themsleves, and some are willing to wait and see what the government will do for them.

So what part of the armed services are you in??? Cuz u didn't earn your freedom, by taking your daddies money right??? hypocrites

[itchypickle]

So what part of the armed services are you in??? Cuz u didn't earn your freedom, by taking your daddies money right??? hypocrites

That's a pretty ridiculous claim since majority of people who go down range...do it so that not everyone has too....not for a right to brag about who has/hasn't earned anything. Just saying.

[King Mayan]

That's a pretty ridiculous claim since majority of people who go down range...do it so that not everyone has too....not for a right to brag about who has/hasn't earned anything. Just saying.

Well bro... He says he earned everything he has by himself... And that poor people should not get help... Well his ass got help from all the service men that died for his ass to get daddies money!!!

[Grandmaster B]

Well bro... He says he earned everything he has by himself... And that poor people should not get help... Well his ass got help from all the service men that died for his ass to get daddies money!!!

Oh wow

[Grandmaster B]

If poor people are infertile who are the Republicans going to recruit to fight their wars? Because rich people don't send their own kids to fight their own wars.

[rkelly110]

What kills me with these guys who have their own business', who preach survival of the fittest,
make your own way in the world etc. Why do you have employees, tell 'em to go make their
own way in life and quit sponging off you for a paycheck.

You guys are the lucky ones, show some appreciation and give back to who gave you that
opportunity. Be it the govt, community, customers, your employees or your daddy.

You guys need to get off your high horses, because like it or not, there's always going to be
people who are less than you. Deal with it, get over it.

If the govt needs to keep people from poverty so be it. They have longer range visions
than tomorrow.

[itchypickle]

Well bro... He says he earned everything he has by himself... And that poor people should not get help... Well his ass got help from all the service men that died for his ass to get daddies money!!!

Sorry but I just can't follow the whole link that you're drawing. Growing up poor and staying poor are two separate issues. I've known quite a few people who grew up with financial support from family only to be worse off than those who didn't have the same advantage simply because they didn't grasp the whole work/strive issue and were not able to either maintain the money they were given, or produce more. I guess where you lose me is with the idea that anyone who's a little better off financially had billionaire parents and full trust accounts.
Regarding the military issue, it's more of a touchy subject for me. It's your option to play the bragging rights argument...I'll stay away from that dialogue since it's not based on any reasoning I carry from my own time CONUS or down range.

[BeatingBaseball]

So what part of the armed services are you in??? Cuz u didn't earn your freedom, by taking your daddies money right??? hypocrites

I have great appreciation and respect for your service, King. But I have to say - reading your posts - that you seem to be obsessed with this "daddy's money" thing. Could you really think that everyone who has anything got it from their parents? And for those who did have successful, responsible parents who provided for their family -isn't that a good thing? What's with all the resentment? I'm not a psychiatrist - but I have to ask - Did your own father somehow do you wrong? And if you came up short in that area - wouldn't it be better to just take a lesson from it, try to do better for your own kids and not waste your energy on resentment?

[TexansFan]

I'm thinking King Mayan was molested by his daddy growing up. The man has some serious issues with his father.

[itchypickle]

I'm thinking King Mayan was molested by his daddy growing up. The man has some serious issues with his father.

Considering you've got the Globe n Anchor in your Avatar...thought I'd ask you for your opinion...Mayan referred to himself as an "ex Marine" the other night.....which struck me odd as prior service Army.....sound normal to you?
I can't think of any who call themselves that after they ETS can you?

[pavyracer]

The only defense Republicans have when presented with facts and opinions they don't agree with is to attack the character of the poster rather than attack the argument. And this is why they are worms which are spineless creatures.

[DwightShrute]

The only defense Republicans have when presented with facts and opinions they don't agree with is to attack the character of the poster rather than attack the argument. And this is why they are worms which are spineless creatures.

both sides do it. my guess is the left does it much more here

[itchypickle]

The only defense Republicans have when presented with facts and opinions they don't agree with is to attack the character of the poster rather than attack the argument. And this is why they are worms which are spineless creatures.

You're right, republicans are assholes for the most part glad I'm NOT one.

[BeatingBaseball]

The only defense Republicans have when presented with facts and opinions they don't agree with is to attack the character of the poster rather than attack the argument. And this is why they are worms which are spineless creatures.

1 - You should really try to educate youself on the actual definitions of and distinctions between Republicans, neo-conservatives and traditional conservatives.

2 - It is not necessary for traditional conservatives to either attack or argue. Human history, if you are at all familiar with it, makes the argument for us.

3 - Realize that we are only trying to listen to, understand and communicate with you liberals/leftists - and it's generally best accomplished by trying to identify the root of your mental illness or deficiency.

[TexansFan]

Considering you've got the Globe n Anchor in your Avatar...thought I'd ask you for your opinion...Mayan referred to himself as an "ex Marine" the other night.....which struck me odd as prior service Army.....sound normal to you?
I can't think of any who call themselves that after they ETS can you?

A lot of people call themselves "former Marines," which is more appropriate I believe. Like the slogan says, "Once a Marine always a Marine."

[TexansFan]

I laugh at the people who really think there's a difference between the political parties, those people are really the most brain-washed of all. Once elected, do any of you really think the politicians care what's best for anyone but themselves?

That's what's wrong with arguing over politics on the internet, you all sound like retards. The Republicans call us names, the Democrats call us names, etc....

[King Mayan]

Sorry but I just can't follow the whole link that you're drawing. Growing up poor and staying poor are two separate issues. I've known quite a few people who grew up with financial support from family only to be worse off than those who didn't have the same advantage simply because they didn't grasp the whole work/strive issue and were not able to either maintain the money they were given, or produce more. I guess where you lose me is with the idea that anyone who's a little better off financially had billionaire parents and full trust accounts.
Regarding the military issue, it's more of a touchy subject for me. It's your option to play the bragging rights argument...I'll stay away from that dialogue since it's not based on any reasoning I carry from my own time CONUS or down range.

I'm not bragging wannabe army brat... What I'm saying stop being a hypocrite... Most repubs didn't get their wealth by themselves their daddy hooked them with a no worries education and the proceeded to get them a job with one of his networking connects.. Simple shit bro... Once you walk in a poor babies shoes you willl how hard it's to become wealthy.. Now I'm not saying it's impossible but it you have to be lucky and a crazy hard worker..

[King Mayan]

I'm thinking King Mayan was molested by his daddy growing up. The man has some serious issues with his father.

Bahahahaha 1. I'm not a female.. No daddy issues.. 2. my dad was the coolest motherfukker around... But seeing your from Texas I can tell your one of those daddy leechers!!! 0311 riffleman here!! You?? Nurse?? Cook??

[lyon804]

1 - You should really try to educate youself on the actual definitions of and distinctions between Republicans, neo-conservatives and traditional conservatives.

2 - It is not necessary for traditional conservatives to either attack or argue. Human history, if you are at all familiar with it, makes the argument for us.

3 - Realize that we are only trying to listen to, understand and communicate with you liberals/leftists - and it's generally best accomplished by trying to identify the root of your mental illness or deficiency.

Hit the nail on the head with this post

[Grandmaster B]

Bahahahaha 1. I'm not a female.. No daddy issues.. 2. my dad was the coolest motherfukker around... But seeing your from Texas I can tell your one of those daddy leechers!!! 0311 riffleman here!! You?? Nurse?? Cook??

[BeatingBaseball]

Interestingly, Obama also says his father was "the coolest motherfukker around" - even wrote a book to that effect. But the uncomfortable fact is that his father totally abandoned him. Cool, huh?

What I was getting at is that people, absent a good father, are often compelled to seek a substitute - just like a woman without a good husband - and both commonly look to the government as their subsitute daddy. I'm just sayin'.

[itchypickle]

I'm not bragging wannabe army brat... What I'm saying stop being a hypocrite... Most repubs didn't get their wealth by themselves their daddy hooked them with a no worries education and the proceeded to get them a job with one of his networking connects.. Simple shit bro... Once you walk in a poor babies shoes you willl how hard it's to become wealthy.. Now I'm not saying it's impossible but it you have to be lucky and a crazy hard worker..

There is my 'wannabe' status for starters....and NO my daddy didn't get me into West Point, I went the OCS route to earn my commission...before you try that lame comeback.




So...where is your Xbox live promotion from Call of Duty or whatever you've done?

[lyon804]

No pennies for the elderly and disabled, but tax breaks for the rich

Grow up people, all this bitching,moaning and groaning you are doing is not good for anything. The damn elderly and disabled have put a massive stain on the economy as it is. Fukkers are just leeches, if you gave them 5K a month to sit at home they would need or want 6K a month. Nothing is never enough for the non-productive. The wealthy never pay enough, but you people pay nothing. America has become nothing more than a fuking welfare state, cesspool. We need people to make things happen, not bitchers whining about what they deserve or what they are not getting from the government. The government was not initially designed to be your little piggy bank.


I really enjoy reading all of your sad post about "whoa is me, the big rich man is fukking me" Sound like a bunch of whiners and complainers. The world don't need any more complainers. Get off you ass,leave the computer,pick up some cans and turn them in to recycle. Once you make enough money doing it you can buy you a buggy to push them around. A few yrs from now you might be able to afford a 1990 Ford Ranger to haul them around in. Take little steps each day to improve yourself rather than bitch about what somebody ain't doing for you.


Liberal Leftist= Party of the entitled.

[King Mayan]

There is my 'wannabe' status for starters....and NO my daddy didn't get me into West Point, I went the OCS route to earn my commission...before you try that lame comeback.




So...where is your Xbox live promotion from Call of Duty or whatever you've done?

Bahahahaha west point.... No wonder???? Poor babies shoes????

[PittsburghPlayer]

That is rich, LyonKunt, who started by slinging insults at me, suggesting anyone grow up. For a man that runs a businessyou think he would be working. No response necessary. You are the LyonKunt. Says it all.

[TexansFan]

Bahahahaha west point.... No wonder???? Poor babies shoes????

You have, along with daddy and gay issues, reading comprehension problems as well. Try reading what he said again and let's see what happens.

[itchypickle]

Bahahahaha west point.... No wonder???? Poor babies shoes????

Read what I said....I DIDN'T go to WP....I went through OCS at Benning to get the bar. Less than 5% of the West Pointers I went to IOBC and other follow on schools even halfway liked going to "school in NY" which tells you something.

[itchypickle]

You have, along with daddy and gay issues, reading comprehension problems as well. Try reading what he said again and let's see what happens.

At least SOMEONE has some attention to detail

[King Mayan]

No pennies for the elderly and disabled, but tax breaks for the rich

Grow up people, all this bitching,moaning and groaning you are doing is not good for anything. The damn elderly and disabled have put a massive stain on the economy as it is. Fukkers are just leeches, if you gave them 5K a month to sit at home they would need or want 6K a month. Nothing is never enough for the non-productive. The wealthy never pay enough, but you people pay nothing. America has become nothing more than a fuking welfare state, cesspool. We need people to make things happen, not bitchers whining about what they deserve or what they are not getting from the government. The government was not initially designed to be your little piggy bank.


I really enjoy reading all of your sad post about "whoa is me, the big rich man is fukking me" Sound like a bunch of whiners and complainers. The world don't need any more complainers. Get off you ass,leave the computer,pick up some cans and turn them in to recycle. Once you make enough money doing it you can buy you a buggy to push them around. A few yrs from now you might be able to afford a 1990 Ford Ranger to haul them around in. Take little steps each day to improve yourself rather than bitch about what somebody ain't doing for you.


Liberal Leftist= Party of the entitled.

Well Nazi supporter... The rich(not you) are getting all the money.. While the people that actually do the back breaking work can't get a minimum wage increase.. Second nobody gets 5k... Third you talking about entitled while you spoiled repubs begged your dad to give you money for business... and last I would love to see you in poor babies shoes picking up bottles.. You will probably be that lazy fuckk collecting welfare!!!