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  • Enkhbat
    SBR MVP
    • 04-18-11
    • 3145

    #141
    Nice changes
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    • PanamaBrad
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 03-22-11
      • 717

      #142
      Originally posted by bracerman
      Being in exactly the same situation I second this. One of the main reasons i’ve been playing less at SBR, although the new format sounds really good! Bodog was great, really unfortunate that option was removed.
      Many of the international players have no options in the store. YET, SBR prize structure says BTC awarded to the top finishers. Now, how is it that they can pay out BTC to international players from the tournament final BUT can't offer that in the store? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever UNLESS you just want to limit your exposure to paying out international players.
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      • Mannyfan
        SBR Sharp
        • 03-18-15
        • 262

        #143
        I think Genie is trying to help me, but she has been looking at this for more than a month. Something broke for sure
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        • katstale
          SBR MVP
          • 02-07-07
          • 3924

          #144
          Originally posted by PanamaBrad
          Many of the international players have no options in the store. YET, SBR prize structure says BTC awarded to the top finishers. Now, how is it that they can pay out BTC to international players from the tournament final BUT can't offer that in the store? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever UNLESS you just want to limit your exposure to paying out international players.
          In Panama, screwing/stiffing Gringos is considered an Olympic sport. I bet I have said "no tourista" 10,000 times over the last 13 years, but they still try. Not sure if Costa culture is the same way, but it probably is. Having said that, I didn't notice any of them running SBR. So, I am always perplexed as to why SBR has chosen to go down this path. I have been unable to use points EVER, but still played with them and occasionally helped out others who could actually use them. I held out hope that eventually someone in authority would put something in the store for us. Bottomline is its SBR's ball, bat and backyard. So they can make the rules and change them and move the goalposts etc etc whenever they want to. I can hear them singing.... nah na nah nah, nah na nah nah, hey hey hey goodbye
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          • SBR Drew
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 01-08-18
            • 7351

            #145
            Tables now using 1k chips...opinions?
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            • Crusherrr
              SBR MVP
              • 06-27-16
              • 3653

              #146
              Originally posted by SBR Drew
              Tables now using 1k chips...opinions?
              For the lightning series this is fine. In other series I'd keep the 1500. The point of this series is quick, shorthanded, "lightning" poker. It's good you guys are trying new things.
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              • bobbywaves
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 05-06-08
                • 13280

                #147
                Originally posted by SBR Drew
                Tables now using 1k chips...opinions?
                Just when I thought poker changes couldn't get any worse, now this.

                Starting stack should be increased, not decreased.

                It's easy to set up a poll, why are changes implemented without a vote?
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                • franklee168
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 03-06-11
                  • 5544

                  #148
                  1000 chips should be accompanied with a bump in prize money. Maybe adding 500 points to the total prize pool. This should satisfy most. Thanks Drew.
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                  • SBR Drew
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 01-08-18
                    • 7351

                    #149
                    Originally posted by bobbywaves
                    Just when I thought poker changes couldn't get any worse, now this.

                    Starting stack should be increased, not decreased.

                    It's easy to set up a poll, why are changes implemented without a vote?
                    Sounds good Ill vote first.
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                    • blankoblanco
                      SBR MVP
                      • 11-18-11
                      • 3499

                      #150
                      Fits with the lightning theme and it's only a month, I'm cool with it. Gamble gamble
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                      • bobbywaves
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 05-06-08
                        • 13280

                        #151
                        Originally posted by blankoblanco
                        Fits with the lightning theme and it's only a month, I'm cool with it. Gamble gamble
                        That's the problem. Lower starting stack is more "gamble," removing the skill from poker.

                        Why stop at 1000, why not lower the starting chips to 100? Where does this insanity stop?
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                        • bobbywaves
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 05-06-08
                          • 13280

                          #152
                          Originally posted by SBR Drew
                          Sounds good Ill vote first.
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                          • SBR Drew
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 01-08-18
                            • 7351

                            #153
                            Abraham Lincoln

                            “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't …” … please all the people all of the time” (Poet John Lydgate as made famous by Abraham Lincoln).

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                            • pavyracer
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 04-12-07
                              • 82839

                              #154
                              Drew the faster you make the tourneys the better. If we can cut down from 90 minutes to 60 minutes by lowering the starting chips to 1000 I'm all for it.
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                              • 5mike5
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 09-21-11
                                • 52020

                                #155
                                Originally posted by franklee168
                                1000 chips should be accompanied with a bump in prize money. Maybe adding 500 points to the total prize pool. This should satisfy most. Thanks drew.
                                this would satisfy all the people. and that still not even what it use be for the dailies payouts

                                Like the changes for qualifying.
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                                • OldschoolGambler
                                  SBR Sharp
                                  • 09-30-13
                                  • 402

                                  #156
                                  Originally posted by 5mike5
                                  this would satisfy all the people. and that still not even what it use be for the dailies payouts

                                  Like the changes for qualifying.
                                  This and "Pay all the people all the time" would be nice
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                                  • OVAKUL
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 09-16-17
                                    • 1541

                                    #157
                                    Originally posted by pavyracer
                                    Drew the faster you make the tourneys the better. If we can cut down from 90 minutes to 60 minutes by lowering the starting chips to 1000 I'm all for it.
                                    this
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                                    • 5mike5
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 09-21-11
                                      • 52020

                                      #158
                                      3pm was over before the break with 30 entered. Pretty good
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                                      • ArunSh
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 09-24-07
                                        • 6801

                                        #159
                                        As I stated earlier, 1000 chips makes it less skill but makes the tournaments much faster on the whole, and I personally like that. Sure, higher variance in the short-term, but in the long-term results should not change much.

                                        And having to devote less time per day to the dailies is nice, will save everyone time in the long run which I like - it isn't always easy to devote an hour and a half on a daily basis to such an event. An hour is quite a bit better, again why not save everyone 30 minutes or so per day? I do have a feeling that the tourneys being an hour instead of an hour and a half will likely encourage more to participate as it's less of an overall daily commitment.

                                        In any case, whether your initial reaction is to agree or disagree with the changes, I think everyone should at least give them a fair chance, try the new format for a couple weeks, so you can at least express a more informed opinion. Who knows, maybe in a few weeks, I will feel similarly to some others that these changes are terrible and will want to go back to the old format. But again, I want to give it a fair try before jumping to such a conclusion.
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                                        • bonzaii
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 07-07-17
                                          • 5000

                                          #160
                                          Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                          ballot closed
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                                          • bonzaii
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 07-07-17
                                            • 5000

                                            #161
                                            Idea perfecta SBR. Mantenga las ideas ducles, humedas y fresca que vienen
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                                            • Krashman
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 07-24-09
                                              • 3749

                                              #162
                                              Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                              Why stop at 1000, why not lower the starting chips to 100? Where does this insanity stop?
                                              All in tournaments.

                                              Everybody automatically all in every hand until there is a winner.
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                                              • bobbywaves
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 05-06-08
                                                • 13280

                                                #163
                                                Originally posted by bonzaii
                                                Mantenga las ideas ducles, humedas y fresca que vienen por votacion.
                                                English translation: Keep cool, wet & fresh ideas coming via vote.
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                                                • bobbywaves
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 05-06-08
                                                  • 13280

                                                  #164
                                                  Originally posted by Krashman
                                                  All in tournaments.

                                                  Everybody automatically all in every hand until there is a winner.
                                                  More all ins, less actual poker play.

                                                  That's basically what's been implemented here, without even voting on it first.
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                                                  • franklee168
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 03-06-11
                                                    • 5544

                                                    #165
                                                    Originally posted by Krashman
                                                    All in tournaments.

                                                    Everybody automatically all in every hand until there is a winner.
                                                    Pokerstars races back in the day!
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                                                    • GUMMO77
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 08-23-10
                                                      • 9294

                                                      #166
                                                      Man, people just want to flip and not actually play poker, eh?
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                                                      • blankoblanco
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 11-18-11
                                                        • 3499

                                                        #167
                                                        Probably more that some people don't want to spend over an hour to maybe win pocket change

                                                        I wouldn't bother with the tourneys if I didn't enjoy poker, but given the low stakes, a tourney every weekday gets pretty old at least for me. If the stakes were higher it'd be a different story
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                                                        • Optional
                                                          Administrator
                                                          • 06-10-10
                                                          • 61574

                                                          #168
                                                          Originally posted by GUMMO77
                                                          Man, people just want to flip and not actually play poker, eh?
                                                          Helps with beating the bots
                                                          .
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                                                          • GUMMO77
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 08-23-10
                                                            • 9294

                                                            #169
                                                            Originally posted by blankoblanco
                                                            Probably more that some people don't want to spend over an hour to maybe win pocket change

                                                            I wouldn't bother with the tourneys if I didn't enjoy poker, but given the low stakes, a tourney every weekday gets pretty old at least for me. If the stakes were higher it'd be a different story
                                                            It's not really poker with the structure like this, it's hitting hands, which is much different than actual poker.

                                                            And I get that people don't want to waste the extra half an hour, but for me personally I would rather play a game of skill than a luck-box (more so now than in the past) tournament.
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                                                            • GUMMO77
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 08-23-10
                                                              • 9294

                                                              #170
                                                              Originally posted by Optional
                                                              Helps with beating the bots
                                                              I have my people working on this
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                                                              • ArunSh
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 09-24-07
                                                                • 6801

                                                                #171
                                                                Originally posted by blankoblanco
                                                                Probably more that some people don't want to spend over an hour to maybe win pocket change

                                                                I wouldn't bother with the tourneys if I didn't enjoy poker, but given the low stakes, a tourney every weekday gets pretty old at least for me. If the stakes were higher it'd be a different story

                                                                Exactly right. Of course in a way it's best if skill is the largest element in terms of who makes it. But it's not quite that simple. Sure if each tournament went say four hours cause the stacks were super deep, and blinds went up very slowly that would be more skill intensive in the long-term. But assuming the payouts are same, no one on the site would play pretty much if the tourneys took four hours! So there is a line between making it reasonably skill intensive while making the tourneys so tedious/long that people don't want to devote time to play them on a daily basis. And where exactly is that line best placed? No way to know for sure, but they want to try something else and see if it works. As I said, I think everyone should give it a try for a couple weeks before immediately denouncing it.

                                                                An idea for the future Drew. I highly doubt this would be done, but it would be interesting - kind of based on the format of the World Cup Finals in past.

                                                                Instead of three tourneys per day, twelve tourneys per day - one starting at every hour from say 11 AM EST to 10 PM EST (or something of that sort). Each person can only play one tourney per day still, and each tournament is maximum 10 players (a single sit n go essentially, and 120 people total would be able to play each day which I think would be enough). Each tournament pays out 200 points total (so still 2400 total for the day as it is currently), say Top 3 in each with payout 100-60-40 (just like a regular sit-n-go which pays out Top 3).

                                                                I think this format could be interesting for two reasons: one that the wide variety of starting times would make it easier for people to play, compared to having exactly three starting times, none of which might work for some folks. And second, since each tournament would always be a one table tournament, it would be much shorter than a thirty to forty person multi-table tournament (whether the starting stack is 1500 or 1000, certainly shorter than its counterpart with three to four times as many people).

                                                                Anyway, just an idea. Am curious what others think about this. If they do this type of format with 1500 starting chips, it might appease those who feel like 1000 chips doesn't provide enough play while also satisfying those who feel that playing for at least an hour, generally an hour and a half if you get really deep, is too long. Perhaps could satisfy both sides!
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                                                                • mpaschal34
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 02-04-13
                                                                  • 12087

                                                                  #172
                                                                  Originally posted by SBR Drew
                                                                  Tables now using 1k chips...opinions?
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                                                                  • tradeout
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 01-01-14
                                                                    • 2541

                                                                    #173
                                                                    Originally posted by SBR Drew
                                                                    Abraham Lincoln

                                                                    “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't …” … please all the people all of the time” (Poet John Lydgate as made famous by Abraham Lincoln).

                                                                    tremendous quote
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                                                                    • Stryder
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 03-10-14
                                                                      • 668

                                                                      #174
                                                                      I really like the new "lightning" format. Makes poker really exciting

                                                                      Also think that ArunSh's ideas sound pretty cool!
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                                                                      • bonzaii
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 07-07-17
                                                                        • 5000

                                                                        #175
                                                                        Originally posted by blankoblanco
                                                                        Probably more that some people don't want to spend over an hour to maybe win pocket change

                                                                        I wouldn't bother with the tourneys if I didn't enjoy poker, but given the low stakes, a tourney every weekday gets pretty old at least for me. If the stakes were higher it'd be a different story
                                                                        I think we should make it a 10 max 10,000 starting stack with 25 mins levels for the dailies.
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