Trump Tax Plan

**RoyBacon** · 05-11-17, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by khicks26

If you want economic activity, put money in the hands of people that spend it. Middle Class & Poor.

Dude you have to first create economic activity by lowering taxes and eliminating regulation. How can you put money in their hands without growing the economy? Take more from the rich and business and give it to the poor? That would further weaken the economy.

Using sound strategy for growing the economy is so fundamental to both the left and right. Countries that over taxed so they could spend more on welfare were forced to borrow heavily when their economy slowed. The result was complete collapse and much of the welfare was cut in return for bailouts. Sound familiar?

It surprises me the left does not realize they will have nothing to offer if economic activity does not increase and we have to drastically cut or eliminate much of the social spending. How could a Dem be elected if he can't promise to spend money?

**chico2663** · 05-11-17, 11:44 PM

it was tried under w and we about went under

**guitarjosh** · 05-12-17, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

Your logic still carries no weight, you just don't understand it. Now your making shit up.

Neither is paying SS to people that have paid in.

It wasn't all that great here either, just a little better. Westward expansion had a lot to do with that.

Carter, Reagan, both Bushes, were better than FDR? LOL

What about sales tax, property tax, & all the other tax's middle class & poor people pay in greater numbers than the 1%. I never said just income tax. I said overall tax's.

I don;t hate rich people. I hate greedy people & wealth hoarders. Like I said we have been over this before, I'm just repeating myself here.

My logic is fine, the problem is that your definition of racism is constructed to say blacks can't be racist. Using your logic, no group without power and influence can be racist, like the Nazis in 1920s Germany, but we would also have to say that the left wing white liberals that want to punish whites for centuries of oppression are racist because they're white and have political power, even though you're also saying that whites can't be oppressed. Which is it? Can only whites be racist because they have power, or is a situation where groups of white people want to oppress a group of white people but can't due to their lack of political power?

FDR never intended for SS to be a retirement plan, in fact for the first decade or so most people didn't live long enough to get SS, they were expected by FDR to work if they needed the money. The issue I have is that able bodied people are being paid to not produce, and that people are given an unlimited amount of money regardless of what they put in. Scientists are saying that the first person to live to 150 is already alive, are they supposed to get SS at 65 and live for 85 years after putting 40 years into SS?

Use your head, it was vastly better. By 1910 the city with the 6th largest collection of native born German speakers on the planet was Chicago. You're really claiming that all those Germans who didn't even know how to speak english flocked to Chicago because it was "just a little better" than Germany? The reality is that the average income in America around 1900 was double what it was in Germany, which is why all those Germans would move here, then send for their friends and family to join them. Are you telling my you think millions of Americans would move to China if it was "just a little better"? You liberals are always claiming what a utopia the Scandinavian countries are, why aren't left wing Americans flocking there? It's because it's not good enough to move to another country. Westward expansion had little to do with it, as the vast majority of the population still lives in the Great Lakes and East Coast regions, while the west is sparsely populated. They moved to the population centers to get factory jobs.

My argument was that the average person then had a higher standard of living than they did when FDR was president.

So you're claiming that a middle class person pays more in sales tax and property tax than a rich person? The rich person will spend more money buying things, meaning they'll pay more for sales tax, and they'll probably own a more expensive home(s).

How does one become rich if they don't hoard their wealth?

Originally posted by khicks26

Bottom line as always Josh, the Rich 1% will have a lot more to worry about than paying tax's if shit keeps going like its going. They better stop taking so much out & giving nothing back. They need to start making it a level playing field or they are going to have a pitchfork stuck in their ass. Some rich people will even tell you that.

Just like FDR saved Capitalism, someone is going to have to do it again. It sure the Hell isn't Trump.

The whole reason they're able to take so much out is because they put in so much. Are you surprised a neurosurgeon makes more than a burger flipper at Wendy's? You can't see it has something to do with the fact that the neurosurgeon contributes much more to society than a burger flipper? The problem isn't rich person greed, what causes great disparities is the government

FDR didn't save capitalism at all, we didn't have capitalism then. The cost for credit back then was set the way it is now, by central planners, the exact same way the communists set the price for their goods.

Originally posted by khicks26

Here Josh, take it from one of the rich people you love so much.

I believe she said that around the time she and her husband were on trial for not paying taxes. Thanks for proving my point.

**brooks85** · 05-12-17, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

The only utopia is for those in the 1%. Who are living an unnatural way of life.

But the 100 year thing is correct & why the New Deal failed. We never got rid of those people.

Your problem is, you want to be one of those people.

But we have gone from slavery, to feudalism, to capitalism. What's Next?

wrong, lying will not save you here khicks. You can't just make up bullshit and then expect everyone to believe it. Doesn't work that way. You have been doing it for years.

**brooks85** · 05-12-17, 07:00 AM

Khicks, You should watch the documentary about those monkeys in Japan that bathe in hot springs. Only certain monkeys are allowed in the water while the others sit on the border and freeze their ass off. It is the most simplest form of a class system in nature and it's completely natural.

You can bitch, moan, bitch, lie, make up BS and keep voting for a con man like bernie but your pursuit against nature will never win.

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by brooks85

Khicks, You should watch the documentary about those monkeys in Japan that bathe in hot springs. Only certain monkeys are allowed in the water while the others sit on the border and freeze their ass off. It is the most simplest form of a class system in nature and it's completely natural.

You can bitch, moan, bitch, lie, make up BS and keep voting for a con man like bernie but your pursuit against nature will never win.

So your saying, your like a monkey?

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by brooks85

wrong, lying will not save you here khicks. You can't just make up bullshit and then expect everyone to believe it. Doesn't work that way. You have been doing it for years.

Your monkey comparison makes sense now.

Most great wealth involves a great theft or is inherited.

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by guitarjosh

My logic is fine, the problem is that your definition of racism is constructed to say blacks can't be racist. Using your logic, no group without power and influence can be racist, like the Nazis in 1920s Germany, but we would also have to say that the left wing white liberals that want to punish whites for centuries of oppression are racist because they're white and have political power, even though you're also saying that whites can't be oppressed. Which is it? Can only whites be racist because they have power, or is a situation where groups of white people want to oppress a group of white people but can't due to their lack of political power?

Correct.

The Nazi comparison doesn't work because. At the time German culture had a dislike for Jews. Not just the Nazi's.

They would be more like the KKK in America. Far right extremist.

As for the rest of your babble. You guys just love to play the victim. Something the Nazi's did also.

**brooks85** · 05-12-17, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

Your monkey comparison makes sense now.

Most great wealth involves a great theft or is inherited.

lol again why you're nothing but comedic fodder khicks. You say something makes sense then you follow it up with something that proves you do no get it. Life in a rut; your life story.

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by brooks85

lol again why you're nothing but comedic fodder khicks. You say something makes sense then you follow it up with something that proves you do no get it. Life in a rut; your life story.

Sorry Brooks, this reply has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Its how you would say a non-response.

It also means I WIN, you have nothing but insults & nothing to disprove my statement.

This reply of yours is meant to make your small mind feel better. LOL

**brooks85** · 05-12-17, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

Sorry Brooks, this reply has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Its how you would say a non-response.

It also means I WIN, you have nothing but insults & nothing to disprove my statement.

This reply of yours is meant to make your small mind feel better. LOL

lol copying me, your normal clockwork khicks routine, isn't going to save you here khicks.

every page consist of you getting your ass kicked by me and others. lol you even called for help and help said you were wrong. It's pathetic you can't accept it alice.

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by brooks85

lol copying me, your normal clockwork khicks routine, isn't going to save you here khicks.

every page consist of you getting your ass kicked by me and others. lol you even called for help and help said you were wrong. It's pathetic you can't accept it alice.

Another non-response. Maybe you are a monkey.

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by brooks85

lol copying me, your normal clockwork khicks routine, isn't going to save you here khicks.

every page consist of you getting your ass kicked by me and others. lol you even called for help and help said you were wrong. It's pathetic you can't accept it alice.

Also I'm not copying you. Just making you eat your words.

**brooks85** · 05-12-17, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

Also I'm not copying you. Just making you eat your words.

lying isn't going to help you.

lol... it's not working. You can't even beat the most basic, natural, example of a class system. Your desperation is very obvious, as always.

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by guitarjosh

FDR never intended for SS to be a retirement plan, in fact for the first decade or so most people didn't live long enough to get SS, they were expected by FDR to work if they needed the money. The issue I have is that able bodied people are being paid to not produce, and that people are given an unlimited amount of money regardless of what they put in. Scientists are saying that the first person to live to 150 is already alive, are they supposed to get SS at 65 and live for 85 years after putting 40 years into SS?

I agree its not a retirement plan. Its to keep the old from dying in the street.

When SS started anyone over 65 got a check. To say most people didn't collect is wrong.

But its OK for people that invest & don't work to get a check?

You can't hold up one person living to 150 & say something works for all. Everyone is different.

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by brooks85

lying isn't going to help you.

lol... it's not working. You can't even beat the most basic, natural, example of a class system. Your desperation is very obvious, as always.

Brooks your comparing yourself to a monkey. Please tell me how you won?

You can't have it both ways. On one hand you say we are like monkeys. On the other you say we can be rich & not live like monkeys.

Your thinking is flawed as always. But in your small monkey mind I'm sure you will think you won something.

**Thor4140** · 05-12-17, 10:30 AM

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0BS5amEq7Fc

Are u guys retarded trump is trolling the fuk out of you guys

Fired comey because he was on to him

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Is anyone else laughing with this retard? What he should do is put up all those little yellow guys when he explains he is a union card holder but votes for the same people who are trying to take his job. Trump is trolling people uh huh. Anyone who is a union card holder and votes republican shouldn't be telling others they are being trolled. This guy might be dumber than Brooks but that might be a reach. "Hey guys i am against abortion, im for owning as many guns and types i want, i am against anything pro for the environment and i am a hard core Democrat." Fukin simpleton.

**brooks85** · 05-12-17, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

Brooks your comparing yourself to a monkey. Please tell me how you won?

You can't have it both ways. On one hand you say we are like monkeys. On the other you say we can be rich & not live like monkeys.

Your thinking is flawed as always. But in your small monkey mind I'm sure you will think you won something.

Originally posted by brooks85

lol again why you're nothing but comedic fodder khicks. You say something makes sense then you follow it up with something that proves you do no get it. Life in a rut; your life story.

lol you just can't help but bury yourself

**RoyBacon** · 05-12-17, 10:39 AM

chico can I use you as an example? I'll try to be nice.

The guys on here with their wage equality non sense are probably in the camp of not being smart enough to know A) how important it is to increase economic activity and B) have no idea how to increase economic growth

But chico you are familiar with JFK's plan and later adopted by Reagan. W's plan of temporarily lowering personal taxes was helpful stimulus but that's not even close to enough to fire up growth similar to Reagan's 3-5% growth rate.

Both the left and right need this growth or soon we will have austerity type programs that see spending slashed and taxes sky rocket. Work with me here to educate your peeps to not be afraid of seeing the rich get richer. Not to be afraid of growing the economy in way that wages rise. Join us chico on making our country great again.

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by brooks85

lol you just can't help but bury yourself

Your the one who wants to live like a dirty monkey. I guess you win again brooks. LOL

Your a dirty monkey.

When I grow up I want to be a dirty monkey.

**brooks85** · 05-12-17, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

Your the one who wants to live like a dirty monkey. I guess you win again brooks. LOL

Your a dirty monkey.

When I grow up I want to be a dirty monkey.

lol so easy to get you to turn into a child, another reason no one takes anything you say seriously. This thread proves it, strange why you even post on this forum still other than you must enjoy being embarrassed like rkelly admitted.

"black people can't be racist in USA"... lol penetrating moron

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 10:46 AM

Brooks just had a new baby girl. Congratulations

I'm sure she will have her spot in the Hot Spring's

You fuking idiot.

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by brooks85

lol so easy to get you to turn into a child, another reason no one takes anything you say seriously. This thread proves it, strange why you even post on this forum still other than you must enjoy being embarrassed like rkelly admitted.

"black people can't be racist in USA"... lol penetrating moron

non-response.

**chico2663** · 05-12-17, 10:48 AM

congrats brooks. I only thought you liked sheep?

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 10:48 AM

Have to go stain a deck.

Fuk off Brooks. You small mind monkey. LOSER

**brooks85** · 05-12-17, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by khicks26

Have to go stain a deck.

Fuk off Brooks. You small mind monkey. LOSER

that is what is good about craigs list, can find cheap labor like you to do things not worth my time. lol you make this so easy, that and your desperation clockwork khicks

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

that is what is good about craigs list, can find cheap labor like you to do things not worth my time. lol you make this so easy, that and your desperation clockwork khicks

The deck is mine & I also build it. Something a monkey like you would never be able to do.

But I have no doubt that in your little human to monkey hot springs scenario. You would act just like a monkey.

This explains the way you post. Irrational, angry, pig headed. Just like a monkey. Because that's how you were trained to think in every educational system you have been in.

Your a systems manger monkey. Now you know what Zappa was talking about.

Suck it Brooks, you fuking LOSER.

**BarstoolProphet** · 05-12-17, 12:46 PM

Just stopping by. To help out my brothers in arms. Looks like you guys have it under control.

Back over to the other thread ,,to take my lumps.

**khicks26** · 05-12-17, 12:46 PM

Nothing new here. Brooks the clown getting his ASS KICKED as always.

Time to grow up little man.

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**brooks85** · 05-12-17, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by khicks26

The deck is mine & I also build it. Something a monkey like you would never be able to do.

But I have no doubt that in your little human to monkey hot springs scenario. You would act just like a monkey.

This explains the way you post. Irrational, angry, pig headed. Just like a monkey. Because that's how you were trained to think in every educational system you have been in.

Your a systems manger monkey. Now you know what Zappa was talking about.

Suck it Brooks, you fuking LOSER.

lol a month after I moved into my house I built a deck for my neighbor. Your desperate pysche is wrong again

**BarstoolProphet** · 05-12-17, 02:09 PM

for ur neighbor? Thats right decks are not as mobile next to your van.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/23-dreamy-photos-people-living-171508942.html

sorry Brooks ,,you left open a door.

**guitarjosh** · 05-12-17, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by khicks26

Correct.

The Nazi comparison doesn't work because. At the time German culture had a dislike for Jews. Not just the Nazi's.

They would be more like the KKK in America. Far right extremist.

As for the rest of your babble. You guys just love to play the victim. Something the Nazi's did also.

At the time the German culture didn't have a widespread dislike for Jews, but let's say you're correct. There is a huge gap between a dislike and trying to exterminate a group of people. If the Nazis never gained power in Germany, their power peaked in the 1920s, there would have never been the Holocaust, because the Nazis didn't have the power and influence to cause it. Again, using your definition, they weren't racist.

I didn't play the victim at all.

Originally posted by khicks26

I agree its not a retirement plan. Its to keep the old from dying in the street.

When SS started anyone over 65 got a check. To say most people didn't collect is wrong.

But its OK for people that invest & don't work to get a check?

You can't hold up one person living to 150 & say something works for all. Everyone is different.

They won't be dying in the street if SS didn't exist! You're telling me you wouldn't help your elderly friends and family if they can't support themselves in any way? You're telling me no old person can work? My mom is a 70 year old retired elementary school teacher, but she can still work if she had to. Most people back then didn't collect, the average life expectancy was 58.

Not everyone who invests makes money, and again, you're only looking at one side of the equation. Someone who buys a truck might not drive it, but the person who drives it didn't pay for it. Both sides are able to make money.

Life expectancy is on an upward trajectory, and the age to get SS has never been raised. You can't do this forever.

**rkelly110** · 05-12-17, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by guitarjosh

At the time the German culture didn't have a widespread dislike for Jews, but let's say you're correct. There is a huge gap between a dislike and trying to exterminate a group of people. If the Nazis never gained power in Germany, their power peaked in the 1920s, there would have never been the Holocaust, because the Nazis didn't have the power and influence to cause it. Again, using your definition, they weren't racist.

I didn't play the victim at all.

They won't be dying in the street if SS didn't exist! You're telling me you wouldn't help your elderly friends and family if they can't support themselves in any way? You're telling me no old person can work? My mom is a 70 year old retired elementary school teacher, but she can still work if she had to. Most people back then didn't collect, the average life expectancy was 58.

Not everyone who invests makes money, and again, you're only looking at one side of the equation. Someone who buys a truck might not drive it, but the person who drives it didn't pay for it. Both sides are able to make money.

Life expectancy is on an upward trajectory, and the age to get SS has never been raised. You can't do this forever.

Your mother and I thank you and your employer for donating to our retirement fund.

**chico2663** · 05-12-17, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by guitarjosh

At the time the German culture didn't have a widespread dislike for Jews, but let's say you're correct. There is a huge gap between a dislike and trying to exterminate a group of people. If the Nazis never gained power in Germany, their power peaked in the 1920s, there would have never been the Holocaust, because the Nazis didn't have the power and influence to cause it. Again, using your definition, they weren't racist.

I didn't play the victim at all.

They won't be dying in the street if SS didn't exist! You're telling me you wouldn't help your elderly friends and family if they can't support themselves in any way? You're telling me no old person can work? My mom is a 70 year old retired elementary school teacher, but she can still work if she had to. Most people back then didn't collect, the average life expectancy was 58.

Not everyone who invests makes money, and again, you're only looking at one side of the equation. Someone who buys a truck might not drive it, but the person who drives it didn't pay for it. Both sides are able to make money.

Life expectancy is on an upward trajectory, and the age to get SS has never been raised. You can't do this forever.

I guess you really don't know your history. The jews controlled most things in germany that time. The economy was shit and the germans blamed it on the jews. That is why when the jews were discriminated on the regular germans rooted it on.