Breaking News: Gunfire Inside Pulse Orlando Nightclub

**JIBBBY** · 06-13-16, 08:19 PM

^^ Twiz - How about 2016.. Muslim Muslim Muslim.. Only gonna get worse... No telling how many 100's have been stopped by Homeland security either in 2016....

We see what holy wars go on in the Middle East and it's finally spilling over into the Western Countries.. Is what it is.. Need fight it..

**jtoler** · 06-13-16, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Kermit

Well let's hear it already. What do you think happened?

Thats neither here nor there Kerm. What's important is to think...critically.

**jtoler** · 06-13-16, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by Kermit

One girl that supposedly worked there claimed there was more than one gunman, but other witnesses who survived said that Omar did all of the shooting. And some guy claimed that when he ran out the back door admitted that he barricaded it.

How do you know what everyone saw or said, how are you able to respond to that so quickly with an open and closed answer. Ive asked you before have you ever worked for the media why did you ignore me. Tell me you repair hapless vehicles.

**Twiz** · 06-13-16, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

^^ Twiz - How about 2016.. Muslim Muslim Muslim.. Only gonna get worse...

Muslim muslim muslim. Three. 178 times where 4 or more people were shot this year. 3/178=1.68%. Muslims account for ~1.7% of US population. Weird how that works...

Stop. Or it will get worse.

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

How do you know what everyone saw or said, how are you able to respond to that so quickly with an open and closed answer. Ive asked you before have you ever worked for the media why did you ignore me. Tell me you repair hapless vehicles.

Considering that I have never worked for the media, I don't know why I would have ever ignored that question from you.

**The Kraken** · 06-13-16, 08:37 PM

I think this bears repeating

The issue here is NOT gun control
The issue here is NOT Muslims
The issue here is HATE SPEECH protected by the first amendment

Until we can address this as a hate crime and discuss the teachings and propagation of hatred towards gays in America, we will learn nothing and nothing will change

**chico2663** · 06-13-16, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Twiz

This thread offers the least productive, most insultingly absent-minded discourse I've ever witnessed. And I only read two or three pages.

Politics aside, look at the top 20-50 deadliest shootings in United States history. Notice how few came between 1994-2004. Look at a graph of countries: guns per 100 people on X, gun deaths per 100,000 people on Y. One country should stick out from the regression line. Look at a graph of US states: % houses owning guns on X, gun deaths per 100,000 on Y. You will notice a strong correlation. You will also notice states like oklahoma, missouri, louisiana, alabama, arkansas, tennessee, south carolina, and georgia as outliers above the regression line. Say what you will about what those states have in common. You will notice how states like new york, massachusetts, new hampshire, washington, maine, and oregon sit well below the regression line. Say what you will about what those states have in common.

It is proven that talking politics polarizes opinions. So I'll refrain for the most part. But in a forum where NUMBERS are so relevant, I struggle to see how anyone could argue that more guns are the solution to preventing (mass) gun violence. Or that bigger guns are the solution. And if you're not part of the solution.....

Hate breeds hate. This thread is overwhelming evidence of that idea.

1994 clinton passed assault weapons ban. 2004 bush refused to resign it.

**TheSideBet** · 06-13-16, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

News is talking about he used gay dating apps.

Looks like a closet gay who hated himself and raged.

Also hearing now that the man arrested in LA going to the parade is a bisexual and that the police had to correct their statement he was going there to do harm. He reportedly was looking for someone to ride with him, a date, still odd about the weapons but initial reports said it was an arsenal and filled with explosives but we now know it was three weapons and a 5 gallon bucket of something but not explosives ready to blow.

**d2bets** · 06-13-16, 09:09 PM

The issue is that the media inspires this stuff and it only takes one person here and there. Impossible to stop. It's just reality. All you can is be vigilant.

**Auto Donk** · 06-13-16, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Even though I'm not in favor of completely banning all guns in the US that gun ban would certainly reduce lethal shooting crimes over time that's for sure.. Automatic weapons certainly need to be banned in the US period.. They serve no practical purpose in society. They do the most damage to innocent civilians in drive byes or club shootings like this. You can't hunt with them, can't really defend your home with them either.. GET RID OF THEM!!!!

I live in California and we have some of the strictest gun laws in the Country.. Very hard to get an AK or AR here, and if you are caught with one you are doing hard time..

I believe every State should implement these California gun laws.. Can only help while still keeping normal gun owners like myself reasonably happy..

http://www.shouselaw.com/pc12280.html

I.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

handgun control's "magic" worked on you, jibby.... AUTOMATIC WEAPONS ARE BANNED ALREADY..... ONLY a semi-automatic weapon is legal.....

HCI, years ago, made a deliberate attempt to confuse the masses of non-gun owning city dwellers on the difference between an automatic weapon such as an m-16, and a semiautomatic weapon such as an ar-15 or mini-14.....

**DwightShrute** · 06-13-16, 09:28 PM

**KRIT** · 06-13-16, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Twiz

This thread offers the least productive, most insultingly absent-minded discourse I've ever witnessed. And I only read two or three pages.

Politics aside, look at the top 20-50 deadliest shootings in United States history. Notice how few came between 1994-2004. Look at a graph of countries: guns per 100 people on X, gun deaths per 100,000 people on Y. One country should stick out from the regression line. Look at a graph of US states: % houses owning guns on X, gun deaths per 100,000 on Y. You will notice a strong correlation. You will also notice states like oklahoma, missouri, louisiana, alabama, arkansas, tennessee, south carolina, and georgia as outliers above the regression line. Say what you will about what those states have in common. You will notice how states like new york, massachusetts, new hampshire, washington, maine, and oregon sit well below the regression line. Say what you will about what those states have in common.

It is proven that talking politics polarizes opinions. So I'll refrain for the most part. But in a forum where NUMBERS are so relevant, I struggle to see how anyone could argue that more guns are the solution to preventing (mass) gun violence. Or that bigger guns are the solution. And if you're not part of the solution.....

Hate breeds hate. This thread is overwhelming evidence of that idea.

Originally posted by Twiz

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Of these instances, FOUR involved a muslim shooter.

This guy gets it. And finally someone who is actually using facts, not just spewin their subjective opinion.

**habitualwinning** · 06-13-16, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by itchypickle

Heard interview with one of the survivors from his hospital bed earlier. He said as he was on ground shot in the back a cop crawled to him while gun fight was going on and grabbed him and pulled him out after talking to him that it was gonna be okay. All the time spent railing on police for all being racist killers ....then when needed they still do the job. Good to hear and I bet it's just eating away at the SJWs and BLM movement that a white cop is being made a hero for saving a gay Latino in middle of a gun fight.

That's cool cause American cops killed over 1200 U.S. Citizens in 2015. So tell that cop to go ahead and save 1199 more people this year to balance that out and then get back to us. That's probably the only save that cop has ever made in his career. There are firefighters in this country who make saves every single month throughout their decades long careers. You wanna talk about real heroes or cowards that harass and murder American citizens for a living?

**brooks85** · 06-13-16, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Twiz

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Of these instances, FOUR involved a muslim shooter.

falling for the typical liberal agenda, by this same logic obama has deported more immigrants than bush. The caveat is the definition of the word "deport" and "mass shooting."

The term "mass shooting" is completely out of context here. Comparing street crime in Chicago where 4 or more people are shot to radical islam is asinine. Stop or it will get worse.

Do you hear Obama talking about Chicago? No you don't because taking away guns from law abiding citizens made it worse.

**habitualwinning** · 06-13-16, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

I just can't see how this guy was able to get into this club with one of those? Mind boggling...

Probably cause the security guard the club had was a coward and inept. I heard on NBC the other day that he was an off duty cop. Go figure. Another example of American police failing the American public.

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by habitualwinning

That's cool cause American cops killed over 1200 U.S. Citizens in 2015.

Were they all innocent civilians?

High paid Doctors killed more innocent civilians than that in 2015.

**cashmoneyholla** · 06-13-16, 10:19 PM

I just looked through all the victims names . Was there not one white person killed ?

**TheMoneyShot** · 06-13-16, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by opie1988

Personally I'm having a hard time comprehending how one guy shot 100 people, with 50% of them being kill shots.

I just can't get it. Were these people seriously just sitting there waiting to be shot?

On top of this... what is the actual capacity of the gay club?

I wonder what the estimate is on the amount that actually escaped?

Sounds like there were 500+ people in this club. I find it hard believe.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say maybe 200 people were inside this club at once.

So only 50% got out unscathed? Only 50% got out?? Number seems awfully low.

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by habitualwinning

Probably cause the security guard the club had was a coward and inept. I heard on NBC the other day that he was an off duty cop. Go figure. Another example of American police failing the American public.

I heard on the news that the security guard exchanged gunfire with the shooter.

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

On top of this... what is the actual capacity of the gay club?

I wonder what the estimate is on the amount that actually escaped?

Sounds like there were 500+ people in this club. I find it hard believe.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say maybe 200 people were inside this club at once.

So only 50% got out unscathed? Only 50% got out?? Number seems awfully low.

Said around 300 people inside at the time of the shooting. If you look at the layout of this club, with the shooter at the main entrance firing upon everyone inside, there wasn't many places to exit from. Not to mention many people were killed or wounded before anyone else even knew what was happening. Plus the guy had people trapped in areas in the club for 3 hours.

**opie1988** · 06-13-16, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by habitualwinning

That's cool cause American cops killed over 1200 U.S. Citizens in 2015. So tell that cop to go ahead and save 1199 more people this year to balance that out and then get back to us. That's probably the only save that cop has ever made in his career. There are firefighters in this country who make saves every single month throughout their decades long careers. You wanna talk about real heroes or cowards that harass and murder American citizens for a living?

You sound like an ignorant bitch. How many of those US citizens were
truly innocent victims? And don't throw out any bullshit names like Michael Brown or some other thug that had it coming.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 06-13-16, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Twiz

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Of these instances, FOUR involved a muslim shooter.

and we have more guns than people in Texas and still can't stop these mentally ill sickos.

**King Mayan** · 06-13-16, 11:24 PM

Well now we know that homo wasn't an ISIS member... He was a disgruntled closet homo that happened to be Muslim...

I'm bet he was an SBR member too

fits the profile

**ACoochy** · 06-13-16, 11:25 PM

What did the Muslim say in the gay bar??

Shots for everyone....

Too soon??

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by King Mayan

Well now we know that homo wasn't an ISIS member... He was a disgruntled closet homo that happened to be Muslim...

I'm bet he was an SBR member too

fits the profile

He may have been queer, but the FBI wasn't monitoring him for that.

**JIBBBY** · 06-13-16, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Twiz

Muslim muslim muslim. Three. 178 times where 4 or more people were shot this year. 3/178=1.68%. Muslims account for ~1.7% of US population. Weird how that works...

Stop. Or it will get worse.

I guess you forgot 9/11 too.. 5000 innocent dead.. Muslim...

Yep, extreme Islam is no threat to America and it's citizens.. What was I thinking? I love extreme Muslims, we should help all the Syrian Muslim refugees as well.. Move them all in right next to you...

**sneakerhead** · 06-13-16, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

falling for the typical liberal agenda, by this same logic obama has deported more immigrants than bush. The caveat is the definition of the word "deport" and "mass shooting."

The term "mass shooting" is completely out of context here. Comparing street crime in Chicago where 4 or more people are shot to radical islam is asinine. Stop or it will get worse.

Do you hear Obama talking about Chicago? No you don't because taking away guns from law abiding citizens made it worse.

God how stupid are some of you guys really?
Wtf do you guys need an AR15 for? Durrr cuz it's Fokin amurica!!!!
You can protect your homes with a damn BB gun, get a .22 if you wanna feel manly

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 11:37 PM

And for some of the people claiming this was a hoax, here is a list of the dead with profiles about each of them including where they worked. One guy worked at a children's television show in Orlando, so I am sure if he never existed, someone that worked at that show would question this.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-victims-profiles/

**sneakerhead** · 06-13-16, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

I guess you forgot 9/11 too.. 5000 innocent dead.. Muslim...

316,000 dead from guns since 9/11 to 2013. Add another 33,000 since

**d2bets** · 06-13-16, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Kermit

And for some of the people claiming this was a hoax, here is a list of the dead with profiles about each of them including where they worked. One guy worked at a children's television show in Orlando, so I am sure if he never existed, someone that worked at that show would question this.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-victims-profiles/

There is always somebody with their false flag bullshit.

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by sneakerhead

316,000 dead from guns since 9/11 to 2013. Add another 33,000 since

The only way to get rid of guns permanently is by a penalty of instant death to anyone who is caught with one.

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

There is always somebody with their false flag bullshit.

There are already plenty of lost souls preaching that this was a hoax based on a video of a fatigued mother crying and a cop walking into a live feed and smiling at another cop.

**jtoler** · 06-13-16, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by Kermit

And for some of the people claiming this was a hoax, here is a list of the dead with profiles about each of them including where they worked. One guy worked at a children's television show in Orlando, so I am sure if he never existed, someone that worked at that show would question this.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-victims-profiles/

Got any pics of them dead, or pics of the gunman dead?

**sneakerhead** · 06-13-16, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Kermit

The only way to get rid of guns permanently is by a penalty of instant death to anyone who is caught with one.

Csnt ban guns, but sure can stop selling semi automatic assault rifles.
I mean come on.... Some of these rules in the southern states are just bullshit, you don't have to be a liberal or conservative, put the political shit aside for once. Sure don't ban guns, too late for that.
Make it harder at least, read up on how easy it is in Florida to get an assault rifle compared to handgun.
More guns can't be the solution, same continued shit isn't the solution. Sure ban the Muslims, you will reduce the yearly killings from what 13,000 to 12,900?

**Kermit** · 06-13-16, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by sneakerhead

God how stupid are some of you guys really?
Wtf do you guys need an AR15 for? Durrr cuz it's Fokin amurica!!!!
You can protect your homes with a damn BB gun, get a .22 if you wanna feel manly

If a 250 pound man breaks into your home and attacks your 125 pound wife with a baseball bat, would you rather have her defend herself from being killed with another baseball bat, a BB gun, or a Glock?