Sando's All Sports (NBA, AFL, NRL)

[rohan22no]

k guys, have recently gone on a splurge of opening new accounts at a few different sites to be able to tail Sando's and others bets, and with that comes sign up bonuses!

I've got a freebet of $500 and another one of $100. Normal T&C's, must be bet selection of odds over 1.50 etc.

Options -
Hedge like a nit
All in on a footy game this weekend
Other?

What do I do SBR?

[Vinnie Paz]

Where in the hell did you get a FREE BET of $500????

[RedDevil89]

Rohan I really like the warriors -3.5 this week!

[Emerson]

Luxbet offer $500 bonus

[Dr.Gonzo]

k guys, have recently gone on a splurge of opening new accounts at a few different sites to be able to tail Sando's and others bets, and with that comes sign up bonuses!

I've got a freebet of $500 and another one of $100. Normal T&C's, must be bet selection of odds over 1.50 etc.

Options -
Hedge like a nit
All in on a footy game this weekend
Other?

What do I do SBR?

If you have a freebet you lose the stake and only get the winnings, so if you care about EV you'll back something at longer odds.

$100 at 2.00 = $100 (You give up 50%)
$100 at 10.00 = $900 (You give up around 11%)

See how much more you gain from the longer odds. The more comfortable you are the wider you can go in the market.

[OZnBa Fan]

Hey Oz, thought Id chip in on this one. Sportsbet did something similar to me going back 2 years ago, I was having a crazy run in the NBA, I spoke to their customer service team and the answer they game me was "your account is being evaluated" so I basically withdrew my entire bankroll (which took 4 weeks) and been using Centrebet as my main book. Recently Ive also been using bet365 which gives heaps of markets for WNBA. Funny part is sportsbet rang me earlier this year and asked why I was no longer using my account, and what they could do in order for me to come back to sportsbet. I was given a $200 free bet, which Ive used to build a small bankroll. I find sportsbet average for US sports but god for some of the AFL markets, especialy 1-39 markets. I haven't had any other problems with any other books since. One of my theories in bankroll management is you want to look like an eager / novice gambler. When I build my bank roll up I withdraw the whole lot, and a week later make a couple of deposits back into the account as a sufficient starting point to go again.

Yer I just let me bankroll to build up I don't withdraw I just leave it... Looks like my sportsbet days are numbered.. I'm the same I use bet365 a fair bit but like u said sportsbet are pretty good for afl

[rohan22no]

If you have a freebet you lose the stake and only get the winnings, so if you care about EV you'll back something at longer odds.

$100 at 2.00 = $100 (You give up 50%)
$100 at 10.00 = $900 (You give up around 11%)

See how much more you gain from the longer odds. The more comfortable you are the wider you can go in the market.

Thanks for the advice, I still can't quite get my head around how it works out to be more +EV betting on something with longer odds, but you're right. Time to gamboool it up...

[davopnz]

from iasbet....our payments team have advised they can lodge a trace, please note this may take 6-8 weeks and you are also liable for the cost of $76 if the funds are found in your account

[davopnz]

now im out of pocket over $200 for 6-8 weeks. what a nightmare

[hawley]

from iasbet....our payments team have advised they can lodge a trace, please note this may take 6-8 weeks and you are also liable for the cost of $76 if the funds are found in your account

But you are only liable for the cost if the funds are found in your account?

[davopnz]

correct which it definitely isn't but this is such a bs...$225 is a lot of money to me

[benrama]

Sportsbet are scum, but you just have to know how to make it look like you are a fish. Bet strange amounts (like $203.14) go a crazy parlay (15 teamer or something) bet a small amount on a random horse race in South Africa. I'm sure I'm flagged as a sucker waiting to be parted from his money - just the way I like it.

It is a disgrace though, in a way this is why I want this industry properly regulated.

[Lilfatbum]

Iasbet... What a joke...

[Cobra Kai]

k guys, have recently gone on a splurge of opening new accounts at a few different sites to be able to tail Sando's and others bets, and with that comes sign up bonuses!

I've got a freebet of $500 and another one of $100. Normal T&C's, must be bet selection of odds over 1.50 etc.

Options -
Hedge like a nit
All in on a footy game this weekend
Other?

What do I do SBR?

I also just signed up to luxbet, I'm thinking about putting it on Australia in the second test. Rain doesn't look like it will be a factor. Hopefully hedge at least $500 during live betting.

[davopnz]

my bank said 6-8 weeks for a trace is a joke(which is what i thought) and now have told me to get evidence that they have actually sent the money

[trigga50]

Is IAS Bet linked with Sportsbet? site is exactly the same just in different colours ...

[sando]

Sportsbet

2* Matt Scott Over 125.5 Metres ($1.75) - cash it
1* Corey Parker Over Metres 135.5 ($1.88) - cash it
1* Chris McQueen Under 70.5 Metres ($1.88) - loser
0.5* Johnathon Thurston Over 12.5 Tackles ($1.88) - cash it

Luxbet

1.5* Tamou (v Woods) Most Supercoach points ($1.87) - cash it
1.5* Farrah (v Smith) Most Supercoach points ($1.73) - loser
1.5* Bird (v Thaiday) - most run metres ($1.87) - cash it
1.5* Pearce (v Cronk) - most tackles ($1.87) - cash it
1* Tamou (v Myles) - most run metres ($1.87) - cash it
1* Aaron Woods Under 110.5 metres ($1.87) - cash it
1* James McManus Over 4.5 tackles ($1.87) - loser
1* Michael Jennings Under 19.5 tackles ($1.80) - loser
0.5* Chris McQueen Over 20.5 tackles ($1.87) - cash it
0.5* Greg Bird Over 1 Offloads ($2.00) - loser
0.5* Corey Parker Over 2.5 Offloads ($1.87) - loser
0.5* Brett Morris Over 5.5 Tackles ($1.87) - loser
0.5* Greg Bird Over 90.5 Metres ($1.87) - cash it
0.5* Greg Inglis Over 53.5 Supercoach points ($1.87) - loser

Once again hitting the big plays and missing on most of the speculative little 0.5 unit plays. Once again cut into profit margins by not just playing the strongest plays. Betting on those two offload props was definitely getting carried away. I've never bet an offload prop in my life. Anyway - the end result was still achieved.

I'm expecting to make 2-4 units from this group of bets.

Net result - Finished with about 4 units profit (approximately).

[sando]

Is IAS Bet linked with Sportsbet? site is exactly the same just in different colours ...

Yes. International All Sports (IAS) is identical in markets offered, prices and lay-out to Sportsbet. They are both owned by Paddy as Sportingbet and Centrebet are both owned by William Hill. IAS is more focused on racing than Sportsbet. Before they were bought out by Paddy, IAS built a big reputation in the racing industry.

[Shazzadude]

Wow the Aussie books sound horrible as far as funds release and bet restricting goes. The NZ TAB rip you off on juice, but at least you can get your money next working day at the latest, and they don't put blocks on you either.

[hawley]

Davo did you deposit with a DC? I have just resolved this issue myself.

I deposited using my CC but my withdrawal bounced back because they said it was a DC. This took around 2 weeks to end up back in my account.

[s2230011]

Tamou and Myles both ran 88 Meteres

What a frustrating game yesterday ?? Hoe many schoolboy errors did NSW do?
Lets hope the Souths halves can deliver next year.

I think we need to find space for Dugan and Hayne in the side. We need to find a way to give the Jennings Morris side more early ball. I think the Woods experiment is over. Also 4 forwards on the bench from now on.

[the tross]

my bank said 6-8 weeks for a trace is a joke(which is what i thought) and now have told me to get evidence that they have actually sent the money

Dav, its standard practice for businesses to penetrate over you no matter what the situation. these fuckrs did the same to me with regards to making me go thru hoops to withdraw my money years ago. I ended up playing my BR down to zero instead like a fool. Put all your correspondance with iasbet in emails(legal documents). Detail names times dates after evey call and send the email to the person you spoke to and make sure they correspond via email to you .Be polite and respectful AT ALL TIMES and you will learn a valuable life lesson in the process. Be a total pain in the arse to these people by wasting their time with this.

[benrama]

Tamou and Myles both ran 88 Meteres

What a frustrating game yesterday ?? Hoe many schoolboy errors did NSW do?
Lets hope the Souths halves can deliver next year.

I think we need to find space for Dugan and Hayne in the side. We need to find a way to give the Jennings Morris side more early ball. I think the Woods experiment is over. Also 4 forwards on the bench from now on.

Yea saw that, 88 metres each, what are the odds! Dugan had a great game, NSW loses nothing with him at fullback. I'm not sure about what to do with Hayne, I'm not a big fan of just "fitting in" a player in a spot he's not a specialist in playing, it rarely works out well. Hayne may remain injury prone and it may be a moot point anyway.

Morris' brothers had a huge game, definitely justified their place - I think I've been converted to fans of theirs. With Gallen, Woods is irrelevant, and I'd put Fifita in the starting side. Forwards are not the problem for NSW, we can beat QLD there for years to come IMO.

[benrama]

Once again hitting the big plays and missing on most of the speculative little 0.5 unit plays. Once again cut into profit margins by not just playing the strongest plays. Betting on those two offload props was definitely getting carried away. I've never bet an offload prop in my life. Anyway - the end result was still achieved.

Net result - Finished with about 4 units profit (approximately).

Great work mate, keep those props coming, softest markets in NRL, I think I'm like 70% for them for the year, including tailing you and s22.

[davopnz]

Davo did you deposit with a DC? I have just resolved this issue myself.

I deposited using my CC but my withdrawal bounced back because they said it was a DC. This took around 2 weeks to end up back in my account.

I deposited with CC, what is a DC? i withdrew using the bank deposit method as thats the only option they offer to NZ residents

[hawley]

I deposited with CC, what is a DC? i withdrew using the bank deposit method as thats the only option they offer to NZ residents

D ebit card..The forum automatically changes it to DC.

If you were withdrawing to bank account then it's slightly different to mine. Good luck sorting the pricks out

[OZnBa Fan]

North melbourne vs Carlton

North melb half time ML 5* $1.80 (bet365)

Will do write up when I get home as I'm only on my mobile, jumping the gun now as I think the line will move in favour of north melb once teams are realeased

[Dr.Gonzo]

Thanks for the advice, I still can't quite get my head around how it works out to be more +EV betting on something with longer odds, but you're right. Time to gamboool it up...

I'll expand upon my example so you understand.

The following example would be true with real money:

If you bet $100 at 1.50 you collect $150 for a $50 profit.

If you bet $100 at 2.00 you collect $200 for a $100 profit.

If you bet $100 at 10.00 you collect $1,000 for a $900 profit.

When you use a freebet you only collect the profit, you do not get the original stake ($100 in this example) back. The longer the odds the less value is lost from not having the original stake returned.

You can agree that if you were to bet $100 at 2.00 and only collected $100, had you bet returned, if you won it would be a terrible wager. Whilst if you were to bet $100 at 10.00 and only collected $900, it's much closer to the true return.

If $500 is a lot of money to you, you can sacrifice EV for a higher probability of a win, but you must realize what you are doing.

[benrama]

North melbourne vs Carlton

North melb half time ML 5* $1.80 (bet365)

Will do write up when I get home as I'm only on my mobile, jumping the gun now as I think the line will move in favour of north melb once teams are realeased

Mate I fking love this play, been eyeing it off all week - along with the full game ML too. I've watched all of Carlton's recent games and they are really not in a good place right now, one of the worst forward lines in the comp. Also looking at North TT, and North 39+.

[rohan22no]

Thanks Gonzo, great explanation.

[OZnBa Fan]

Mate I fking love this play, been eyeing it off all week - along with the full game ML too. I've watched all of Carlton's recent games and they are really not in a good place right now, one of the worst forward lines in the comp. Also looking at North TT, and North 39+.

I have a good stat to back this play up..

[the tross]

Got on before you heavyweights moved the lines.

[Coopertrooper]

Those that like NM half time, you can take -1.5 instead of the half time leader and get $1.90, pretty good value for just 1 more point. NM at the Quarter Time line has been crunched at a few books.

[sando]

S2230011 & Benny. Fox Sports have Tamou 94m & Myles 90m. The books go off official NRL match stats, however obviously they are wrong on this one as Luxbet have already paid out on Tamou (as anyone who tailed can also confirm). The rest were all clear winners or losers. That one prop was the only one in dispute.

On a side note imagine how much money you could make on props if you simply were part of the coaching staff or close to one of the players. For example if you knew that team A was going to hammer team B's fullback under the high ball all night, well then you would be very interested in prop markets available on team B's fullback. Simply knowing (or correctly deducing) a team's game plan allow's you to beat the markets set by the books, irrelevant of the inherent value in said markets that may or may not be present? Of course how long you could pump such small betting markets without drawing attention from your books is another concept entirely.

[Hawke]

Free bet?

Okay.

So, say you have $100 free bet with luxbet and you put it on $3 odds (for a $200 profit as obviously you don't get back the stake).

Can you not simply bet against that option on another book at say $1.40 odds or whatever they may be.

$100 (free bet) = $200 profit

or

$150 (regular books) = $60 profit.

Thus, either way you are guaranteed a profit no? Either up $50 on luxbet or a free $60 on your regular book?

And you simply keep making accounts on luxbet to get the deal.

Am I missing something?