UFC Fight Night: Bader vs. Saint Preux (August 16, 2014)

[getlucky2win]

when i went to amsterdam around 2005 they had stores that sold shrooms and peyote. at the counter there was a pile of powder. guy said it was like herbal speed or sum sht. and we could have a free line! they had all different kinds of "natural" x and othr stuff like that. we did the hawaiin shrooms as they were the strongest. had a gr8 time

[Sacrelicious]

For what it is worth, and my opinion is rather biased here on many levels, there does exist a particular molecule commonly viewed as a "psychedelic", which I disagree with - it is more of a literal key, I don't even think of it as a drug. This being DMT, it is pretty goddamn impossible to deny this stuff or dismiss it's effect as some strange effect from the brain being perturbed or to dismiss it as something that stoner's do to make patterns on the wall they can look at. Most of the common psychedelics are quite powerful, but if you are someone who has done psychedelics and never really "gotten anything" out of it, I would suggest a proper dosage of this via the correct method of administration (hint: it isn't smoking).

This stuff, seemingly literally, transport's your consciousness to any number of alternate "dimensions" (I'm not even entirely sure this term works, and quite frankly, I don't think we have one) where what you experience is shocking, mind blowing, ego shattering and profoundly life changing. It is literally the most profound experience a human being can have in their life. And, most interesting, it is all experienced in what is a rather "lucid" and "sober" state of mind, if those words can even be ascribed to it.

Truly astonishing.

[JIBBBY]

I knew a guy who "didn't" manage to smuggle an assault weapon into another country by just mailing it there. You'd be surprised how bad law enforcement is at almost everything.

I just "didn't" have my nef whom is a professional body builder living in Mississippi mail me a bottle of liquid Anavar PED.. It comes in a clear liquid form which is a digestible steroid and was sent in a none label bottle.. As I just turned 46 years old now I fully endorse and understand that the use of certain PED's are a blessing as the Test levels start to drop naturally... Great steroid that is relatively none toxic to the liver, and you don't have to shoot it up either..

I feel and look more like 30 years old again on it..... Then again I never really looked my age or felt it because of my good diet and the fact that I work out daily to stay healthy..

Anyways, standard mail delivery is not screened very well in the States or around the world...

[MD]

Anyways, standard mail delivery is not screened very well in the States or around the world...

Correct. There's no efficient customs in the world. Not a single one. Even the high-sec areas like Australia suck a fat dick at keeping illegal shit out of their country. The only reason I don't order drugs to my house (other than it being illegal, I never break the law boys ) is because I know someone who will order them to their house and then sell them to me for just 5% of the order value (hypothetically, I'm lying, illegal, etc.). That should tell you how little risk is involved here.

[Bumdeal]

Even if they find something in your parcel you will typically just receive a "love letter". Over a certain amount and you get a controlled delivery, then you have problems

[Das Jax]

So... back to the non-junkie world... does anyone else think the odds for this card are eerily right on the money? I'm sitting here trying to cap this card and time and time again I find that the lines are right where I think they should be and I'm unable to choose a side that yields any value. It's incredibly frustrating.

[JIBBBY]

So... back to the non-junkie world... does anyone else think the odds for this card are eerily right on the money? I'm sitting here trying to cap this card and time and time again I find that the lines are right where I think they should be and I'm unable to choose a side that yields any value. It's incredibly frustrating.

Couple fights I don't see the odds being spot on..

I personally think Ryan Bader should be more like a -225 line favorite, Formiga and Tim Boetsch could be a little closer to even odds as well.. Sara McMann -285 is probably too generous.

[Lee Jones]

Vince is gonna pick Bader apart

[Wilbo86]

So... back to the non-junkie world... does anyone else think the odds for this card are eerily right on the money? I'm sitting here trying to cap this card and time and time again I find that the lines are right where I think they should be and I'm unable to choose a side that yields any value. It's incredibly frustrating.

I see heaps of value on Pearson, especially at Pinnacle at the moment. The fact that the line hasn't moved that much is making me doubt myself though.

[MarkWoodstick]

I see heaps of value on Pearson, especially at Pinnacle at the moment. The fact that the line hasn't moved that much is making me doubt myself though.

Is there a way to see how much action is coming in on a certain MMA line? The line might not be moving because there is action coming in on Maynard. I know Jibby said hes on Maynard.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Why does one think they need to take psychadelics and see geometric patterns to see the flaws in oneself? pretty sure you can do that already with deep thought. iv'e never smoked a ciggarette nevermind do any drugs like that, i woudent be against trying it, but i was just wondering why some people (not saying you) act all high and mighty around others that havent done psychadelics.

Because it raises your awareness & give's you the ability to look at everything from a new & objective perspective. You did not have to tell anyone that you have never taken any type of psychedelic. It is very obvious to all who have. And comparing a poisonous man made cigarette to a psychedelic (mushrooms) is embarrassingly ignorant. There is much wisdom that can be attained through psychedelics. However, it does not happen automatically. I really don't know if you would gain anything besides laughing & having a great time from psychedelics. The first couple of trips tend to be very humorous for a multiplicity of reason's.

[brooks85]

I remember last year I read sometime you fools were talking about how college was a scam and you're better off betting sports. Now, it's how tripping is some kind of enlightening experience haha.

[MarkWoodstick]

I remember last year I read sometime you fools were talking about how college was a scam and you're better off betting sports. Now, it's how tripping is some kind of enlightening experience haha.

Your avatar is awesome bro

[Wilbo86]

Is there a way to see how much action is coming in on a certain MMA line? The line might not be moving because there is action coming in on Maynard. I know Jibby said hes on Maynard.

No way of seeing a quantitative figure for the action, only way to tell would be from line movement. The fact that the line isn't moving means there isn't much of a differential, which is exactly whats confusing me.

Jibby is a line mover though, maybe he's on one side and everyone else is on the other.

[MD]

No way of seeing a quantitative figure for the action, only way to tell would be from line movement. The fact that the line isn't moving means there isn't much of a differential, which is exactly whats confusing me.

Jibby is a line mover though, maybe he's on one side and everyone else is on the other.

I can't imagine that being in any way confusing.

[JIBBBY]

No way of seeing a quantitative figure for the action, only way to tell would be from line movement. The fact that the line isn't moving means there isn't much of a differential, which is exactly whats confusing me.

Jibby is a line mover though, maybe he's on one side and everyone else is on the other.

Yeah right.. LOL..

Anyways, I'm on Maynard because he's back to training hard, with a new camp, new location and has turned it up as of late.. Even though this article link below is in reference to him fighting Camoes, this long read breaks down where Maynard is currently at with his life and training..

This all might be good enough to get past Ross Pearson in my mind..

I think anyone betting on Ross Pearson should read this full article first.. The Bully should be back to his old self..

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2152064-gray-maynard-back-to-basics-and-looking-for-redemption-at-ufc-fight-night-47

[Wilbo86]

I can't imagine that being in any way confusing.

Seeriously? You don't see pearson being a much clearer favourite?

[firekillex]

not going to lie every declining fighter always has some huge long story how theyre finally at the peak of there career after so many losses, they found a new camp, new motivation, blah blah blah. You cant get rid of the stats that maynard has been kod/tkod in his last few fights against fighters who typically dont knock people out.... and hes barely even an active fighter, i think his time is done tbh. Pearson isnt an A level fighter by no means, it is a close fight, but i see pearsons movement and accuracy playing the big roll in this fight. Only way i see Maynard winning is by wrastle fckin him for 3 rounds but i dont even think he could do that anymore. Pearson also has a lot of motivation going into this fight, being screwed over last fight probably lit a fire under his ass and he should come out swinging


fight is a close one but i might put some big $ on pearson

[MD]

Seeriously? You don't see pearson being a much clearer favourite?

I didn't say that. It makes no sense to me whatsoever that you could handicap fights and then be "confused" when the public disagrees with you (especially over such a ridiculously small timeframe, where we don't even know where the public money is going to go yet). If you have an edge, you're not always going to agree with the public. If my confidence in my handicapping was based on how other people are betting, I would consider quitting gambling.

[JIBBBY]

not going to lie every declining fighter always has some huge long story how theyre finally at the peak of there career after so many losses, they found a new camp, new motivation, blah blah blah. You cant get rid of the stats that maynard has been kod/tkod in his last few fights against fighters who typically dont knock people out.... and hes barely even an active fighter, i think his time is done tbh. Pearson isnt an A level fighter by no means, it is a close fight, but i see pearsons movement and accuracy playing the big roll in this fight. Only way i see Maynard winning is by wrastle fckin him for 3 rounds but i dont even think he could do that anymore. Pearson also has a lot of motivation going into this fight, being screwed over last fight probably lit a fire under his ass and he should come out swinging


fight is a close one but i might put some big $ on pearson

Maybe but a really big and hard life change like this from a talented fighter that's been losing lately usually produces some very good results.. Change was needed and he did just that... At 35 Maynard might have a few more good fights left in him.. If he does this would be one of them....

This card has alot of evenly matched fights.. I think any of them can go one way or the other!!!! I'm on the fence on so many of these fights with this card and that's not usually the case.. Just gonna play the odds with value mostly and see what sticks.. Alot of dog plays for me on this card.. Prop plays as well...

Sara Mcmann is probably the only fight on this card that I really feel confident about...

[MD]

I think anyone betting on Ross Pearson should read this full article first.. The Bully should be back to his old self..
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...fight-night-47

Yeah bro, he's really motivated.

[Wilbo86]

I didn't say that. It makes no sense to me whatsoever that you could handicap fights and then be "confused" when the public disagrees with you (especially over such a ridiculously small timeframe, where we don't even know where the public money is going to go yet). If you have an edge, you're not always going to agree with the public. If my confidence in my handicapping was based on how other people are betting, I would consider quitting gambling.

I don't disagree with any of that, this one just seems too obvious. All I'm saying is beating line movement is reassuring.

[MD]

I don't disagree with any of that, this one just seems too obvious. All I'm saying is beating line movement is reassuring.

Don't overestimate people. GSP decisioned a thousand men in a row, and GSP/Hendricks goes distance still closed at +130. Lines are selectively sharp; for every dumb line I see, there's one that makes perfect sense but that I thought would be much different.

For the record, I like Pearson, but I'm not sure how much. Here's a question for you: what do we know for sure about Gray Maynard from his previous two losses, other than that his chin is likely significantly deteriorated?

I asked myself that question a few times, and each time I got less confident in Pearson. Who knows how he'll look if he chooses to wrestle.

[firekillex]

OSP
Pearson
Boetsch

take the + money on closely matched fights all day

maybe parlay mcmann+jordan


i think pearsons constant movement will be to much for maynard to get a hold of him for 3 rounds anyways, maybe take 1 round but i seen Pearson with the tko or 3 round UD, feel bad for the guy, even tho he got his win pay last fight he completely dominated diego. Thats a match they shouldve done, diego vs maynard

[Vaughany]

Yeah bro, he's really motivated.

Is motivated Bully as good as motivated Baby Jay tho?

[MD]

Is motivated Bully as good as motivated Baby Jay tho?

No, but BJ using his Queensbury Rules stance would have his way with Ross Pearson. It'd be like fighting a lamp pole with fists.

[Wilbo86]

Don't overestimate people. GSP decisioned a thousand men in a row, and GSP/Hendricks goes distance still closed at +130. Lines are selectively sharp; for every dumb line I see, there's one that makes perfect sense but that I thought would be much different.

For the record, I like Pearson, but I'm not sure how much. Here's a question for you: what do we know for sure about Gray Maynard from his previous two losses, other than that his chin is likely significantly deteriorated?

I asked myself that question a few times, and each time I got less confident in Pearson. Who knows how he'll look if he chooses to wrestle.

The age differential, the evident chin deterioration against guys that aren't heavy hitters (starting with frankie a lonng loonnng time ago) and having fought 3 times in 2 years is enough for me to bet the current line heavily. If I'm wrong I'll go out on my shield.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Don't overestimate people. GSP decisioned a thousand men in a row, and GSP/Hendricks goes distance still closed at +130. Lines are selectively sharp; for every dumb line I see, there's one that makes perfect sense but that I thought would be much different.

For the record, I like Pearson, but I'm not sure how much. Here's a question for you: what do we know for sure about Gray Maynard from his previous two losses, other than that his chin is likely significantly deteriorated?

I asked myself that question a few times, and each time I got less confident in Pearson. Who knows how he'll look if he chooses to wrestle.

He is no longer with AKA & will use his wrestling much more in his upcoming fight with Pearson. I believe Maynard will win via Decision.

[JIBBBY]

No thread on this event tonight.. You guys gonna check and bet this? Lines are up on 5D now...

CES XXV event tonight.. http://www.mma-core.com/videos/CES_Makes_its_AXS_TV_Debut_August_8th_wi th_CES_XXV/10073968?from=main

http://www.mass-mma.com/2014/08/05/c...event-preview/

Gonna try Felix -120 in the main event.. Small stuff.. Just gambling to gamble tonight..

[marzwoody]

Because it raises your awareness & give's you the ability to look at everything from a new & objective perspective. You did not have to tell anyone that you have never taken any type of psychedelic. It is very obvious to all who have. And comparing a poisonous man made cigarette to a psychedelic (mushrooms) is embarrassingly ignorant. There is much wisdom that can be attained through psychedelics. However, it does not happen automatically. I really don't know if you would gain anything besides laughing & having a great time from psychedelics. The first couple of trips tend to be very humorous for a multiplicity of reason's.

I never compared a ciggarete to a psychadelic. what i said was i never even smoked a ciggarette.

Don't act high and mighty when 98% of your posts are trolling and trying to get into altercations with people over the internet. was that all part of your enlightenment with psychadelics?

If you were looking at things objectively im pretty sure you would realize you cant go a single post without coming across snarky and condescending.

Hypocrisy at its best.

[marzwoody]

And ron paul ive met people before who have taken psychadelics and they have asked me if i have taken any before. so please stop talking out your arse. when you act like a 12 year old on a forum then try to drop some knowledge you just end up embarrassing yourself.

[brooks85]

Your avatar is awesome bro

lol you ever watch that squidbillies show?

[JIBBBY]

Here is your bleacher report full coverage of the event for what ever it is worth... With vids... I thought this report delivers anyways....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2157303-bader-vs-st-preux-a-complete-guide-to-full-ufc-fight-night-47-card

[JIBBBY]

I'm gonna really attack these prelims all week as this is our next big event!!!

Lets start with this first prelim fight... Gonna cap and type as I go.. Read if you want it's gonna get long.. This is what it takes...

+130 Noland Ticeman (4-1) vs -170 Frankie Saenz (8-2)

We can see Ticeman fighting in this youtube vid. This is his most recent fight... He's the dude running around and away the entire fight in the black shorts and eventually does get the decision victory..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkVnyuwLnaM This is the guy he was fighting in that youtube vid below.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Adriano-Goncalves-102395 Both not that impressive...

What you see is what you get pretty much I think with this guy in this vid.. This chump can move and has some what decent striking..

His win/loss breakdown - http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nolan-Ticman-72084 What jumps out to me the most is he's been inactive for 2 years now and I don't know why?... Hmmmm? His other 3 wins are against C and D level fighters from what I can tell..

Training camp info suspect...

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Now let's take a closer look at Frankie Saenz -170.. First off his (8-2) record should be (8-1) as one of those losses was by DQ, knee'ing a downed opponent... He's on a 4 fight win streak now (Became king of the cage champ at fly weight) in 2013.. His one valid loss was by KO in the 1st round which does concern me a little.. That KO was 3 years ago and 6 fights ago though. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nolan-Ticman-72084 ..

Still sounds like his star is shining from all the current reads I found.. This is one of the better ones..

http://www.mmaweekly.com/winning-king-of-the-cage-belt-is-latest-step-along-frankie-saenzs-road-to-the-top

Let's see him in action in his last fight... Ooooops... No youtube vids on this guy..

I can't post up the vid to this forum for his last fight.. Sorry fellas, it's a private account..... He looks solid to me, well rounded and more like a B level fighter.. He will be the aggressor in this one for sure... He's a wrestler first...

Training camp info legit...

His twitter seems positive too... https://twitter.com/FrankieSaenz

Conclusion.. Frankie Seanz at the -170 seems like the call..

No play for the over 2 1/2 rounds at -190 for me.. Might go the distance if Ticeman is running, elusive and on his horse or he could get steam rolled.. IDK? Saenz should get a decision win though in this one if I had to guess..

Gonna place after weigh ins.. Hope the line doesn't move up...

CAPPED!!!! (2 hours spent for this one fight)

[Vaughany]

More importantly, is his knickname "The Diceman" Ticeman? or "The Nice Man" Ticeman?