UFC Fight Night: Shogun Vs Sonnen (August 17, 2013)

**sideloaded** · 08-15-13, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Immortal is my boiii, but Pyle's grappling in theory is on another level to Brown's. Brown hasnt fought anybody during his winning streak who offered anywhere near the threat Pyle does.

wtf meng, schalke got the f-cking tie!

**Vaughany** · 08-15-13, 06:05 AM

And Story is a strange one, dude is very powerful, just perhaps lacks a clinical edge. He's fought higher-level opponents overall as well, 5 out of his last 8 have been Pyle, Hendricks, Kampmann, Thiago Alves, and Maia. Compare that to Immortal's last 8

**Vaughany** · 08-15-13, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

wtf meng, schalke got the f-cking tie!

yeah bud, their defense was terrible. Play Hamburg (who they drew to) Draw-no-bet this wknd at home to Hoffenheim to make it back!

**sideloaded** · 08-15-13, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

yeah bud, their defense was terrible. Play Hamburg (who they drew to) Draw-no-bet this wknd at home to Hoffenheim to make it back!

ok man, thanks for the tip! Got some money riding on this world championships in Russia! Betting on the bitches!

**plekz** · 08-15-13, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Matt Brown is not better than Mike Pyle in the clinch, as Mike Pyle has the muay thai experience and a very good thai clinch... get your facts straight, holmes.

Brown could have been TKO'd easily if his opponents had been there. Stephen Thompson could have finished him easily if he hadn't been the first 23 year old in history to gas after 1 leg kick.

Pyle does not have an as dynamic of a thai clinch that Brown has, nor is he anywhere near as durable, if he was you wouldnt be seeing him getting dropped left and right in fights (including the ones he's won) he's also got VERY bad habits standing as he doesnt cut angles and just backs up straight when he get's pressured.

He also had to be TALKED into even taking this fight, and on somewhat short notice and you think this is a great outlook going into the fight then you are truly to stupid to even respond to.

**Crassus** · 08-15-13, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Matt Brown is not better than Mike Pyle in the clinch, as Mike Pyle has the muay thai experience and a very good thai clinch... get your facts straight, holmes.

Brown could have been TKO'd easily if his opponents had been there. Stephen Thompson could have finished him easily if he hadn't been the first 23 year old in history to gas after 1 leg kick.

Also, I'm not betting the Pyle-Brown fight but Pyle definitely has a better ground game than anyone Brown has faced like Vaughany said but at the same time didn't Josh Neer almost KO him before getting KO'ed himself?

**Thor4140** · 08-15-13, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by gabe

it's not first, it's not even on the main card, bud.

It was first on the Sherdog fight finder lineup (which is usually right) until today when they changed it.

**Thor4140** · 08-15-13, 08:49 AM

Both fighters are so average. I would take Pyle but Brown gave me one of the biggest losses in my MMa betting career when he beat brain dead Swick. Both fighters are on overrated rolls. Pyle has the ground game to end it but i can't get that Neer fight out of my mind. Neer is a straight up can and almost beat him. Which ever fighter u bet here will end up giving ya a heart attack. This isn't an easy fight to predict so why waste money on it. Still can't believe Swick lost to Brown. My goodness.

MD · 08-15-13, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by gabe

You're saying what I said. Brown was losing until Mein became "an absolute mess"/gassed out/adrenaline dump

Seriously dude, did you have to throw yourself into this one? All you did is prove my point.

I'm saying that Brown won the first round. What don't you get about that? Are you claiming that Mein was gassed at the start of the first round?

**Thor4140** · 08-15-13, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by MD

I'm saying that Brown won the first round. What don't you get about that? Are you claiming that Mein was gassed at the start of the first round?

Only Bob Sapp has shown he gasses when getting into the cage.

**The iron sheik** · 08-15-13, 09:07 AM

Perhaps it's not a big aspect to most people when it comes to handicapping, but I think it's still good to remember that Pyle is 38 and very likely not improving (on the contrary), while Brown is 32 and at least in my opinion, seems to be improving.

(as a sidenote I guess I was one of the few that played Oliveira against Edgar and I still don't think it was that bad of a play in a sense)

**Beelzebubzy** · 08-15-13, 09:11 AM

Pyle is improving aka TRTing

**omalley21** · 08-15-13, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Pyle is improving aka TRTing

Is he actually on trt? Not that it matters that much, but i couldnt find anything about it..

**Beelzebubzy** · 08-15-13, 09:25 AM

1 ko in first like 30 something fights. Then gets three including Neer (yes it was on the button though) stilla top chin
not a striking expert like jack slack but don't think strength or ko "power" improves in late 30s

**Vaughany** · 08-15-13, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

1 ko in first like 30 something fights. Then gets three including Neer (yes it was on the button though) stilla top chin
not a striking expert like jack slack but don't think strength or ko "power" improves in late 30s

Timing and technique might tho brah! Werent his othher two from knees as well

**sideloaded** · 08-15-13, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

1 ko in first like 30 something fights. Then gets three including Neer (yes it was on the button though) stilla top chin
not a striking expert like jack slack but don't think strength or ko "power" improves in late 30s

lol jack slack, every keyboard warrior plagiarizes his shit when talking about striking

**mirinquads** · 08-15-13, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Matt Brown is not better than Mike Pyle in the clinch, as Mike Pyle has the muay thai experience and a very good thai clinch... get your facts straight, holmes.

Brown could have been TKO'd easily if his opponents had been there. Stephen Thompson could have finished him easily if he hadn't been the first 23 year old in history to gas after 1 leg kick.

Also how could you bet Swick in the Swick/Brown fight, that was THE fight to bet Brown, think I got him as a dog too, just mindblowing

**Tommy Blingshyne** · 08-15-13, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by mirinquads

Also how could you bet Swick in the Swick/Brown fight, that was THE fight to bet Brown, think I got him as a dog too, just mindblowing

well, swick was coming off that brutal KO of demarques johnson so maybe the thought process was swick is back...brown was on a little roll at the time but not against anyone special...browns win over swick really got browns resurging hype train in full effect...dont think many were too confident brown would keep winning especially since he was a fight away at one point from surely being axed from the UFC...brown proving people wrong tho...idk if hes really improving that much or just riding a wave of good fortune...personally, think im gonna take a stab at pyle at + odds myself this go around...pyle is a crafty vet and has been underestimated himself at times...he could catch brown and tap him...

**Thor4140** · 08-15-13, 01:23 PM

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Brown was getting choked out regularly and than beat a couple of cans and was in one of the worst fights i ever saw against wonderboy. Yeah he looked like a shoe in against Swick.

Love these monday morning quarterbacks

**Vaughany** · 08-15-13, 02:16 PM

**Vaughany** · 08-15-13, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

ha shows you how shiit-scared some of these fighters are....Michael Johnson mentioned WSOF and immediately apologized for mentioning them!

**Grabaka** · 08-15-13, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

ha shows you how shiit-scared some of these fighters are....Michael Johnson mentioned WSOF and immediately apologized for mentioning them!

Vagwany is back! Whattup amigo? How was rehab?

**Vaughany** · 08-15-13, 02:51 PM

Rehab was tough brah, got a reach-a-round off Lindsay Lohan whilst I was there tho so all gooood my niq.

UBER-REEM has UBER-sweat patches in the face-off!

**sideloaded** · 08-15-13, 02:59 PM

da fuk was Overeem so nervous about? Afraid Kieth Kizer was goin' to pop up behind the curtain with a pee test?

**The iron sheik** · 08-15-13, 03:00 PM

"everytime little nog or vitor belfort signs a contract, I go in to training camp"

lol

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 08-15-13, 05:29 PM

SBR should have some contests for these upcoming UFC events, Vaughany you should push for this. Are you still a mod for the MMA sub forum?

**sideloaded** · 08-15-13, 05:33 PM

**Vaughany** · 08-15-13, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

SBR should have some contests for these upcoming UFC events, Vaughany you should push for this. Are you still a mod for the MMA sub forum?

loooool u think I'd of been banned if I was still a fake mod brah! I could set a basic one up like me and HOFF used to do

**gabe** · 08-15-13, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by plekz

Pyle does not have an as dynamic of a thai clinch that Brown has, nor is he anywhere near as durable, if he was you wouldnt be seeing him getting dropped left and right in fights (including the ones he's won) he's also got VERY bad habits standing as he doesnt cut angles and just backs up straight when he get's pressured.

He also had to be TALKED into even taking this fight, and on somewhat short notice and you think this is a great outlook going into the fight then you are truly to stupid to even respond to.

please link me to something that backs this theory up, because from all i gather, he stepped up to take this fight and was happy to do so. he's very confident going into it, as well.

**gabe** · 08-15-13, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by MD

I'm saying that Brown won the first round. What don't you get about that? Are you claiming that Mein was gassed at the start of the first round?

No, I'm not saying Mein was gassed out when he nearly FINISHED Matt Brown. You don't nearly END THE FIGHT and lose the round. Glad you're not a judge.

MD · 08-15-13, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by gabe

No, I'm not saying Mein was gassed out when he nearly FINISHED Matt Brown. You don't nearly END THE FIGHT and lose the round. Glad you're not a judge.

Except if, you know, you almost end the fight and then get out-worked for the rest of the round or almost finished by your opponent? Did Belfort win R1 against Jones?

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/UFC-on-Fox-7-Results-Henderson-vs-Melendez-PlaybyPlay-Updates-51889#matt-brown-jordan-mein

Tristen Critchfield scores the round 10-9 Brown
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Brown
Mike Whitman scores the round 10-9 Brown

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http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/04/ufc-on-fox-7-play-by-play-and-live-results

"A short elbow lands at the bell, and MMAjunkie.com gives an incredible round to Brown, 10-9."

UFC on FOX 7 Live Blog: Brown vs. Mein

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/4/20/4243986/ufc-on-fox-7-live-blog-matt-brown-vs-jordan-mein/in/4010757

Keep up with the Matt Brown vs. Jordan Mein fight at UFC on FOX 7 on Saturday night.

"MMA Fighting scores this round 10-9 Brown"

And I wasn't even cherry picking. Those are the first three sites I checked, and five of five judges gave the round to Brown.

**Ron_Paul_2012** · 08-16-13, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by The iron sheik

Perhaps it's not a big aspect to most people when it comes to handicapping, but I think it's still good to remember that Pyle is 38 and very likely not improving (on the contrary), while Brown is 32 and at least in my opinion, seems to be improving.

(as a sidenote I guess I was one of the few that played Oliveira against Edgar and I still don't think it was that bad of a play in a sense)

Absolute foolishness.

**mmaed** · 08-16-13, 12:12 AM

Yeah i remember brown getting the first round. I had money on mein too.

alistair overeem did not look nervous in that video. Im interested to see what his weigh in will be. If he is truly off the roids he should weigh less.

Another point, overeem went to holland to train. If he is juicing during his camp the athletic commissions cant test him during the camp unless they fly over. That could be why he was there.

**eligibletackle** · 08-16-13, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Immortal is my boiii, but Pyle's grappling in theory is on another level to Brown's. Brown hasnt fought anybody during his winning streak who offered anywhere near the threat Pyle does.

You can easily say the same about Brown posing a bigger threat than those in Pyle's streak. When you go on win streaks you will eventually get an upgrade in competition - Joe Silva told me so or something.

As for the grappling - Brown could be toast if it goes to the mat, sure. Pyle's a crafty jitz guy. Hathaway seemed to have gone down too easily and I can buy into Brown being better at fighting off those trips. If Pyle had a good single or double leg in his arsenal then I'd probably opt out on this one - I think Brown spends enough time on the feet and flusters Pyle w/ his pressure and power.

**TheCalculator** · 08-16-13, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by mmaed

Another point, overeem went to holland to train. If he is juicing during his camp the athletic commissions cant test him during the camp unless they fly over. That could be why he was there.

Based on the training footage I've seen of Overeem -- he's back on the sauce. But he's lowered the dosage. He's not looking like a bodybuilder.