man im tempted by howard +350.. no way in shit would i take hall at -500. Hall has never professionaly beaten anyone with a wiki page
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You guys better check you'll even be able to watch the event on TV. There are several carriers/areas who will not be getting Fox Sports 1. At least not yet.
The biggest one lacking the channel, which I'm sure many of you subscribe to, is DirecTV. They won't have it in any areas.
Best to check to make sure you will be getting the channel ahead of time so you're not left scrambling for a crappy stream once the event starts.Comment -
Joe Duffy would be in the UFC now if he didn't choose to pursue pro boxing instead. No shame in losing to that guy honestly, in that manner, at that point in their respective careers.
And I'm not sure Holloway has a submission win? I'd be surprised if he took it to the ground or could take McGregor down.
This is one of the small reasons I like McGregor a lot more in this fight. Holloway was fighting Hawaiins exclusively pre UFC, mostly cans that never leave the island. McGregor was exposed to a better caliber of fighter throughout his pre UFC career (bigger "pond" of talent).
*or what JustinOpinion said.Last edited by On2TheNext1; 08-12-13, 06:56 PM.Comment -
Yep, Holloway fought atrocious opposition. Watch tape on his pre-UFC fights and it's clear.
He's 3-2 in the UFC and his 3 wins are over bottom feeders who were cut. His 2 losses were to the only half decent fighters he faced.
McGregor fought bad opposition as well, but he's beat better guys than Holloway has at least.Comment -
All aboard the McGregor train!
And his last 2 opponents before the UFC were even half-decent, posting a combined 33-7 record in the regionals. Dave Hall's record is a little fluffed even for regionals though.Comment -
How come SBR hasnt put up lines for these fights yet?Shut your mouth when you talk to Me!Comment -
Expect it Wednesday or Thursday if last fight is an indicator (kinda new here).Comment -
Here's the biggest unknown for the Chael vs Shogun fight.
Chael's WILL.
Chael's will and drive when he fought Anderson (and his fights before) was incredibly strong.
As any fighter will tell you -- fights come down to 2 things: SKILLS AND WILL.
Skill wise, I think Chael has the tools to beat Shogun. He's got better cardio. Shogun's only road to victory is to avoid takedowns for 5 rounds and outstrike Chael. I think if the fight goes past round 1.5 Chael takes it.
A part of me is worried Chael is fighting for pay checks now and isn't fighting with the same kind of WILL he did when he started.
I'll bet that fight LIVE.Comment -
That fight is incredibly difficult to call.Comment -
I think you should replace will with mentality. Chael has broken down mentally in the past and spoken publicly about it. Had plenty of will, but still found a way to lose in the second round ... at least that's his reason for losing, breaking down mentally.
... and Chael's only road to victory is to avoid strikes and get takedowns for 5 rounds. Can make it sound as daunting or as easy as you want for either side of most fights. See it a lot with guys with 'KO power'. Everyone gets on the "he'll never go 3 (or 5) rounds without getting blasted!!!" bandwagon, when it's easier to avoid power than it is to land it. Don't let a one sided perception of a fight fool you into judging it inaccurately.Skill wise, I think Chael has the tools to beat Shogun. He's got better cardio. Shogun's only road to victory is to avoid takedowns for 5 rounds and outstrike Chael.Comment -
He didn't beat Garcia on my score card (since we're using our own judgements, i.e. Bermudez/Holloway). Holloway should've seriously outclassed such a technically deficient fighter (Garcia) and he lost that fight. Another reason I like McGregor, he's levelheaded under fire, fights his fight, doesn't push. I feel Holloway kinda fights up/down to his competition.Comment -
This. No one scored that for Holloway except the judges.
As for Holloway "beating" Bermudez, that's wouldn't be a great win either, even if he got the decision. Bermudez is another guy who has only beat bottom feeders of the UFC and has looked shaky doing it. He should have lost to Matt Grice, but that's another fight the judges got wrong. Dennis is overrated as hell and will be completely exposed once he fight an upper-mid level fighter.Comment -
How is Howard at 185? He got a lot of iffy wins at 170 in the UFC. If Hall showed an ounce of his TUF dominance outside the show I might be on it.
I like Brown here. I'm not sure what to make out of the TD game - Pyle looked great against Hathaway w/ his trips but Brown seems above that at this level. He puts himself on his back more willingly than someone w/ his skillset should. Almeida struggled for each TD vs Brown and he had great cage & hand position most times. And I just like the fade Pyle in general - I don't buy these streaks where 35+ y/o fighters come out of mediocrity to set the world ablaze. It's more believable in a case like Mark Hunt since he's an established striker and wasn't fed any legit HWs that LNP.
Is Sonnen vs Rua 5 rds? Rua has great sweeps but his TDD is bad - and what's worse is he'll engage sometimes and end up on the losing end (Machida, Hendo?). 3 rds I favor Sonnen and anticipate it to be a lot like Sonnen/Marquardt more than anything else w/ Sonnen winning rounds but in danger a few times. Rua showed a ton in his fight vs. Hendo - I dismissed a lot of his skills before that fight which I know have to respect when capping it (resiliency, possibly cardio).
Love Lauzon but Johnson seems like a tough test and I like +200Comment -
His "dominance" he showed on TUF was quickly KO'ing cans. Hall is a gatekeeper at 185, has a weak chin, and is old. He's no great prospect like they tried to make him out to be. He won't ever get a title shot or even close.
He'll beat up some bottom feeders but lose to the good fighters. Fortunately for Urijah, Howard is the former.
And yes, Rua/Sonnen is 5 rounds. All main events are 5 except under rare circumstances like a short notice fight (Evans/Hendo).Comment -
You're quite the psychologist aren't ya.Comment -
Why do you think he has a weak chin? In response to your other statements i could agree he might not get a title shot but that is sort of hard to predict. His only losses are to costs phillipou by majority decision. Costs is obviously no joke and a very high level boxer himself. Weidman beat him, thats self explanatory. Kelvin gastelum was able to outwrestle him for a split win. Kelvin was a juco champ iirc. I get that he hasnt necessarily beaten anyone amazing yet but he is just getting started and he seems like a horrible matchup for howard skillset wise. According to wiki his reach is 80 inches. I know thats wiki but if it is true that is pure midget repellant. Even better its a midget on short notice.Comment -
John howards greatest asset in this fight is his ability to wing wild punches. Thats all i am really worried about.Comment -
Taking the o2½ in Hall-Doomsday, +140 at the moment
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Mike Pyle vs Matt Brown is a tough fight to bet on.. Mike Pyle is the slicker of the 2 fighters, might be a little better on the ground with his subs, but Matt Brown on the other had is a terminator at the start of fights and just comes forward banging. Matt throws hard and might have the slightly better chin. We've seen Mike Pyle get rocked in his last fight too..
I'm leaning towards Mike Pyle anyways as I think he has a few more tools in the shed over Matt Brown.. Matt Brown I think fades in fights when they go into the later rounds, while Mike Pyle seems to just get stronger as the fight goes on...http://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-fight-n...rown-Mike-PyleComment -
Surprised you can get Brown at this price, got 2 units on him already.
Pyle has almost been KO'ed 3 times in his last 3 fights, by fighters with not even close to the clinch work and general Muay Thai as Brown. People will point to his previous deficiencies on the ground, but he has improved his offensive and defensive ground game leaps and bounds, which was on display against both Swick and Mein at times. Pyle rarely does well when pressured, and he just had a baby and I think changed gyms ( Could be mistaking though )Comment -
After watching footage on Pyle backing up in a STRAIGHT line everytime people put's pressure on him i think he's going to be in all sorts of trouble against Brown, and i havent seen much of the 'fading' on Brown in any of his last 4-5 fights. Pyle has the advantage on the ground, but he get's people down from the clinch, and Brown has a NASTY clinch game himself so i dont see Pyle having much luck there either.
If he tries to go to war with Brown, Pyle will get finished.Comment -
Thoughts on McGregor by DEC @ +400, anyone?Comment -
Listening to the conference call, Sonnen does NOT sound confident at all, and basicly put up a whole laundry list of things that have gone against him, he spoke very little on Shogun as a opponent and instead focused on everything that's been going wrong for this camp.Comment -
Took Gamburyan -130. Miller's common defensive tactic of backing up while putting palms on scalp and elbows straight out will do nothing against Gamburyan's hooks, and Gamb has some pretty good jitz so I don't see Cole's best weapon finishing him.Comment -
I really want to fade Nijem, decent grappler, but hes striking is comic and he dives head first into everything people throw at him. Plus he has shaky beard.
Don't know much about Vick though, how's his takedown defense? I believe he's supposed to be a golden glove boxer.Comment
