UFC 162 Silva Vs Weidman (July 06, 2013)
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#106Comment -
DonnyMcslickSBR Hustler
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#107
Yet he was on top for like 23 minutes. The takedown percentage is irrelevant because the times he did get him down he never let him up.Comment -
MDSBR Hall of Famer
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#108
Also, Weidman's top control isn't nearly on Chael's level. Weidman has never shown to be good at holding people down.Comment -
mirinquadsSBR MVP
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#110It's not like Anderson tries to get up aggressively or tries to keep position a lot. He's more the conserve energy and look patiently for sub attempts type.Comment -
eligibletackleSBR High Roller
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#111Silva's TDD is not goodComment -
SEKTAURSBR Wise Guy
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#112Dont ever doubt the best fighter in the world... parlay Heat ml today with Silva!Comment -
Dwil125SBR MVP
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#114That's what I'm saying, Anderson isn't going to put himself into a position for Weidman to grab a choke. He's probably going to sit on bottom if he gets put there and wait for the round to end. I think Weidman by decision is more likelyComment -
Rubber GuardSBR MVP
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#115Anderson has no shot at winning.Comment -
Rubber GuardSBR MVP
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bjpenn85SBR Hall of Famer
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#118Also in the rematch, dont forget!Comment -
DSSCASBR Sharp
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#119Weidman isn't anywhere near as aggressive as Chael. Anderson doesn't do well when pressured and that's a big reason Chael was able to take him down. Weidman will give Anderson more time on the feet which is better for Anderson. Question is will once Weidman takes him down, can e keep him there long enough to threaten.Comment -
MDSBR Hall of Famer
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#120Weidman isn't anywhere near as aggressive as Chael. Anderson doesn't do well when pressured and that's a big reason Chael was able to take him down. Weidman will give Anderson more time on the feet which is better for Anderson. Question is will once Weidman takes him down, can e keep him there long enough to threaten.Comment -
VaughanySBR Aristocracy
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#121ha yeah, the "he wont slip, Chris will just take him down" was the indicator!Comment -
MDSBR Hall of Famer
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#122The dead give-away is that he's the only guy on SBR who openly fanboys over an MMA fighter, and that fighter is Anderson Silva. At least he's not as bad as that "bobby heenan" guy though. That guy is cancer.Comment -
DSSCASBR Sharp
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#123Damn you Internet sarcasm! You are my eternal enemy!Comment -
rocky16SBR MVP
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#124You phagets with your "Anderson Silva is god" bullshit make me focking laugh. Especially this fock MD. Focking phaget this focking guy is. Weidman gonna punk Silva bad. Make him his bitch. Then you can focking "lol" back and forth on the internet with your focking gay boyfriends all night. Phaget.Comment -
rocky16SBR MVP
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#125Shut the fock up with this shit pal. You are one focking annoying jooboy. Would starch you.Comment -
rocky16SBR MVP
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#126Grabbed Weidman +1600 by sub on SB.ag two months ago. Shit is at +425 now. Focking phagets gonna spit their focking Zimas out when Weidman subs this overrated fock.Comment -
MDSBR Hall of Famer
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#127You phagets with your "Anderson Silva is god" bullshit make me focking laugh. Especially this fock MD. Focking phaget this focking guy is. Weidman gonna punk Silva bad. Make him his bitch. Then you can focking "lol" back and forth on the internet with your focking gay boyfriends all night. Phaget.Comment -
SEKTAURSBR Wise Guy
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#129Do you realize how stupid you sound? "focking phagets" Wah wah wahhh you sound like an ignorant bitchh especially when you call Silva overated. wow you grabbed a bet at +1600 shit could be +1000000 its still gonna lose idiotComment -
varkolekSBR High Roller
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#130Comment -
Rubber GuardSBR MVP
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#131Weidman by jew jitsComment -
theballsflopSBR MVP
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#1321.36 on Silva, got him in a couple parlays comin up. Pretty good value imo. Haven't seen so much juice on a Silva matchup in a while.Comment -
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#133
??? Weidman's all around grappling is equal to if not a huge level above chaels, including top control imo.
I don't know how you can say he's not good at holding people down. he is good at holding people down when you think about, its just that he's finished most dudes that hit the mat with him, whether in top position, north south, etc.. Sakara is the only guy I know of in zuffa comp where he tried to keep somone on their back and couldn't finish. It's hard to knock him against not hollding maia / munoz down, and I don't think that was the strategy in either fight anyways, especially rolling around with maia when he could do what he did - win a shitty sparring match on the feet. Chael is a heavy positional wrestler, something I suspect weidman could do if he wanted to but his sub grrappling / jitz has so much finesse he always works to do move position and do damage / finish. Chael can't do and doesn't know half the grappling technique weidman does (and seems to have little respect for it), that's why I suspect unlike chael, weidman doesn't lounge in a heavy top set position. If he wanted to or that was the strategy, I'd say he's still better than chael at it when you consider their overall credentials and just the basic technique of both men.
Win or lose against anderson, overall he's levels above chael when it comes to any part of the grappling game imo, I think history will tell they're not even gonna be comparable in any regard of mma grappling.Comment -
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#134??? Weidman's all around grappling is equal to if not a huge level above chaels, including top control imo.
I don't know how you can say he's not good at holding people down. he is good at holding people down when you think about, its just that he's finished most dudes that hit the mat with him, whether in top position, north south, etc.. Sakara is the only guy I know of in zuffa comp where he tried to keep somone on their back and couldn't finish. It's hard to knock him against not hollding maia / munoz down, and I don't think that was the strategy in either fight anyways, especially rolling around with maia when he could do what he did - win a shitty sparring match on the feet. Chael is a heavy positional wrestler, something I suspect weidman could do if he wanted to but his sub grrappling / jitz has so much finesse he always works to do move position and do damage / finish. Chael can't do and doesn't know half the grappling technique weidman does (and seems to have little respect for it), that's why I suspect unlike chael, weidman doesn't lounge in a heavy top set position. If he wanted to or that was the strategy, I'd say he's still better than chael at it when you consider their overall credentials and just the basic technique of both men.
Win or lose against anderson, overall he's levels above chael when it comes to any part of the grappling game imo, I think history will tell they're not even gonna be comparable in any regard of mma grappling.Comment -
MMAbetMASTASBR MVP
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#135Indeed, they are all very legit grapplers that you listed.
But here's what sets weidman aside from the rest and it does affect the tdd argument: legit D1 wrestling status and credentials. I know you're thinking chael does too, but think about this.
The fact weidman's naturally picked up jitz so well and so quickly I thinkn he's emerged as something special. His pure natural grappling ability in mma is uncanny.
Furthermore, chael is the only american wrestler who had success in out grappling / controling anderson. All the other dudes mentioned might be elite grapplers, but they never had the heavy american wrestling base. Against chael, andy tdd is clearly average at best. Yet chael can't roll for shit and his sub grappling and jitz has always been average imo.
On the other hand Weidman has the 'merican wrestling base, and has really complimented it with a very strong jitz game that is levels above anything chael came close to achieving. Like I said before, chris has pretty much taken down anyone he wanted to and its hard to knock him for the munoz / maia fight for a lack of ground control. I think he'll expose anderson's tdd fairly quickly with his wrestling base (I highly disagree with people here saying weidman's style isn't 'agressive like chael's wrestling') and unlike chael, not get caught in a sub with 3 min to go. Instead I think he'll tie andy up in a knot for 5 rounds.
War weidman, been arguing his rule for a while now. The time has come for the king to fall, or at least I'm praying to god for it.Comment -
MMAbetMASTASBR MVP
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#136So the fact that an opponents got up, especially during scramble when chris going for a sub and later getting it, means he has weaker top control than chael?
lol horrible argument with lawlor I think you need to rewatch that fight, the second they started rolling he tied lawlor up and controled him as he wanted. Just because lawlor got up ONCE during a scramble as weidman fished for a sub (which he qwuickly got) doesn't mean he's got weak top control.
gonna be a smug tool and say 'shame on you'Comment -
MDSBR Hall of Famer
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#137lol this guy is such a smug douche on hereIndeed, they are all very legit grapplers that you listed.
But here's what sets weidman aside from the rest and it does affect the tdd argument: legit D1 wrestling status and credentials. I know you're thinking chael does too, but think about this.
The fact weidman's naturally picked up jitz so well and so quickly I thinkn he's emerged as something special. His pure natural grappling ability in mma is uncanny.
Furthermore, chael is the only american wrestler who had success in out grappling / controling anderson. All the other dudes mentioned might be elite grapplers, but they never had the heavy american wrestling base. Against chael, andy tdd is clearly average at best. Yet chael can't roll for shit and his sub grappling and jitz has always been average imo.
On the other hand Weidman has the 'merican wrestling base, and has really complimented it with a very strong jitz game that is levels above anything chael came close to achieving. Like I said before, chris has pretty much taken down anyone he wanted to and its hard to knock him for the munoz / maia fight for a lack of ground control. I think he'll expose anderson's tdd fairly quickly with his wrestling base (I highly disagree with people here saying weidman's style isn't 'agressive like chael's wrestling') and unlike chael, not get caught in a sub with 3 min to go. Instead I think he'll tie andy up in a knot for 5 rounds.
War weidman, been arguing his rule for a while now. The time has come for the king to fall, or at least I'm praying to god for it.
I've said before that I'm on Weidman, but anyone who thinks he's just going to run in and double-leg a healthy Anderson over and over for five rounds needs to re-examine why they're betting on fights.Comment -
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#138So the fact that an opponents got up, especially during scramble when chris going for a sub and later getting it, means he has weaker top control than chael?
lol horrible argument with lawlor I think you need to rewatch that fight, the second they started rolling he tied lawlor up and controled him as he wanted. Just because lawlor got up ONCE during a scramble as weidman fished for a sub (which he qwuickly got) doesn't mean he's got weak top control.
gonna be a smug tool and say 'shame on you'
Name some opponents Weidman was able to hold down consistently. Munoz? Maia? Lawlor? Sakara?... Bongfeldt?Comment -
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#139Silva for me - knock him down and ko gnp Stefan Bonner style.Comment -
mmaedSBR MVP
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#140Mark Munoz had a broken foot when he fought chris weidman folks. Not sure if that is well known. I am sure that affected his performance.
Weidman barely squeeked by maia in a sloppy kickboxing match. Of course weidman was fighting on short notice but in fairness maia was also very sick for the fight.
Aside from that weidman has had some stellar performances against what should be considered mid to lower level ufc fighters.
I agree he has the tools to win. Great wrestling and brazilian jiu jitsu. He may be some sort of prodigy in those areas. However having the tools to win doesnt mean he will. With his long layoff and the likelihood that he will have to take and down Anderson Silva for five rounds he will probably end up getting knocked out. Too many opportunites for AS to use his vastly superior striking to catch Weidman at some point.
Leben vs Craig.
I favor Leben in this one. Anyone think Craig takes this one?Comment
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