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  • rkelly110
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    • 10-05-09
    • 39691

    #2766
    Thanks Dusty, I'll give it a shot.
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    • kingofmonash
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      • 04-11-10
      • 631

      #2767
      worth a shot guys , labby it to riches mates
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      • PokerDave
        SBR Hustler
        • 02-07-11
        • 50

        #2768
        Please tell me what the better systems are so I can quit following this thread & make more money.
        Thanks in advance.
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        • DustyDiamond
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 12-19-09
          • 772

          #2769
          Originally posted by PokerDave
          Please tell me what the better systems are so I can quit following this thread & make more money.
          Thanks in advance.
          Look around the site, there are threads all over the place with systems. We are all here to make more money, that is what this site is all about.
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          • big limpin
            SBR High Roller
            • 01-26-11
            • 208

            #2770
            Originally posted by PokerDave
            Please tell me what the better systems are so I can quit following this thread & make more money.
            Thanks in advance.
            Try this one.

            This originally started with me trying to prove to a friend that chase systems do not work... this one is stubborn though

            Bet AGAINST a team for a 6 game chase after they have lost to a shutout.

            Been doing this for 5 years now... minimum profits has been +136 units on the season.

            I am still convinced it will lose but the system is up well of 800+ units for the past 5 seasons.

            I start the system on opening day and go into "shut down" mode once September 1st hits.

            Like I said, I still believe that chase systems do not work... but this one has turned into a bit of an "ugly step sister" to my friends and I with the belief that it will lose. We actually cheer for it to lose - lol

            Keep in mind that we each only bet about .0010% of our roll for a "unit" win because we are convinced it will go belly up.... maybe this year.

            Wager responsibly fellas!!!

            Cheers!
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            • DustyDiamond
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 12-19-09
              • 772

              #2771
              Originally posted by big limpin
              Try this one.

              This originally started with me trying to prove to a friend that chase systems do not work... this one is stubborn though

              Bet AGAINST a team for a 6 game chase after they have lost to a shutout.

              Been doing this for 5 years now... minimum profits has been +136 units on the season.

              I am still convinced it will lose but the system is up well of 800+ units for the past 5 seasons.

              I start the system on opening day and go into "shut down" mode once September 1st hits.

              Like I said, I still believe that chase systems do not work... but this one has turned into a bit of an "ugly step sister" to my friends and I with the belief that it will lose. We actually cheer for it to lose - lol

              Keep in mind that we each only bet about .0010% of our roll for a "unit" win because we are convinced it will go belly up.... maybe this year.

              Wager responsibly fellas!!!

              Cheers!
              interesting, might have to track this one. Do you bet on RL or ML?
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              • ebbearsfb1
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 12-07-08
                • 18815

                #2772
                thats a very interesting system...

                still gonna try the labby lines for this system intergity

                25-25-25-25
                25-25-25-25



                and then fading someone after they were shut out u have to chase.. unless u use the same labby line for multiple teams

                so basically if the pirates lose the first game of the year 5-0, then you fade them for the next 6 game till they lose again
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                • big limpin
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 01-26-11
                  • 208

                  #2773
                  Originally posted by DustyDiamond
                  interesting, might have to track this one. Do you bet on RL or ML?
                  We bet the money line. Sometimes we have found ourselves on a fat bet when chasing the 5th game with +180 and it comes through... CHA CHING! lol

                  I still think it will eventually lose but the system seems to have gotten more successful as each year has passed.

                  2010 was our best year yet.

                  I would still stick with the .0010% fellas... it sounds super anal but I think this system should still be used for FUN.

                  Save your 1-3 % bets for the serious capping.
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                  • ebbearsfb1
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 12-07-08
                    • 18815

                    #2774
                    Originally posted by big limpin
                    We bet the money line. Sometimes we have found ourselves on a fat bet when chasing the 5th game with +180 and it comes through... CHA CHING! lol I still think it will eventually lose but the system seems to have gotten more successful as each year has passed. 2010 was our best year yet. I would still stick with the .0010% fellas... it sounds super anal but I think this system should still be used for FUN. Save your 1-3 % bets for the serious capping.
                    seems cool... good luck
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                    • DustyDiamond
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 12-19-09
                      • 772

                      #2775
                      Originally posted by big limpin
                      We bet the money line. Sometimes we have found ourselves on a fat bet when chasing the 5th game with +180 and it comes through... CHA CHING! lol

                      I still think it will eventually lose but the system seems to have gotten more successful as each year has passed.

                      2010 was our best year yet.

                      I would still stick with the .0010% fellas... it sounds super anal but I think this system should still be used for FUN.

                      Save your 1-3 % bets for the serious capping.
                      Look for us during the season. I'm sure we will be in a different thread. Track your system along side the fav system.
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                      • rkelly110
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                        • 10-05-09
                        • 39691

                        #2776
                        Back tracking the original premise of this thread from May to Sept. would be hard on the bankroll
                        using a lab line.

                        May was the worst month. 12-22 35% Longest losing streak was 7 in a row.
                        Longest winning streak was 4 in a row.

                        June was better. 17-13 57% Longest losing streak was 3 in a row. Winning streak
                        was 5 in a row.

                        July was OK. 16-15 52% Longest losing streak was 4 in a row. Winning streak
                        was 3.

                        Aug. 18-17 51% Losing streak 3. Winning streak 4.

                        Sept. 17-17 50% Losing streak 6. Winning streak 6.

                        Chasing the lowest ML favorite, betting the -RL would be an absolute no no.

                        Just my 2 cents. Maybe my numbers are off.

                        I'm tired of losing in baseball. I just discovered lab lines and have been using
                        them in hockey since the 1st of the year.

                        I'm going to take one winning team from last year and labby them to, I hope, riches.
                        I'm thinking the Phillies.

                        Input would be appreciated.
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                        • DustyDiamond
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                          • 12-19-09
                          • 772

                          #2777
                          interesting, so your saying that labby would of been junk last season? The numbers here in this thread were based on a -1.5 RL. In a different thread the -1 RL was used and brought better results
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                          • rkelly110
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                            • 10-05-09
                            • 39691

                            #2778
                            Yeah, Dusty. I didn't get a chance to do April yet. Unless your bank roll can sustain a month
                            like May, you would've been OK, but I don't think you would've recovered your losses from
                            that month.

                            Who knows, this year the system could kick butt.

                            I did 5 different scenarios when back tracking. The above, ML dog SU, ML dog betting on +RL,
                            +RL fav and +RL fav SU.

                            ML dog SU May-Sept 42-88 32% (best month May 16-18 47%)
                            ML dog +RL 82-83 50% (best month May 62%)
                            +RL fav 666-384 63%
                            +RL fav SU 467-583 44%

                            Today I started my Philly line and won.
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                            • DustyDiamond
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 12-19-09
                              • 772

                              #2779
                              Nice job going back and checking this data out. This is a chase system though so you could lose the first 5 and hit the 6th game your record would be 1-0. Are you chasing the Phillies all season?
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                              • lex_sf415
                                Restricted User
                                • 03-15-10
                                • 222

                                #2780
                                sounds good
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                                • rkelly110
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                                  • 10-05-09
                                  • 39691

                                  #2781
                                  I think I will give the Phillies a shot. I'm 3-0 so far. Cleared one line and 1/2 of another. +3units.

                                  I did some research on them and might have to change or add another team. Philly lost money
                                  as fav's, but won money as dogs. World series champs, San Fran, won money as both.
                                  They are off to a great start in preseason.

                                  I think having one or two teams and using lab lines for the season would be better than
                                  chasing teams for 3 to 6 games. IMO.
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                                  • shinnman
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 02-25-11
                                    • 282

                                    #2782
                                    rkelly if i may ask, where are you getting your info , i eas doing some research using vegasinsider but they no longer have last years results up
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                                    • TRE1968
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 08-09-09
                                      • 425

                                      #2783
                                      Originally posted by shinnman
                                      rkelly if i may ask, where are you getting your info , i eas doing some research using vegasinsider but they no longer have last years results up
                                      covers and scoresandodds
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                                      • rkelly110
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                                        • 10-05-09
                                        • 39691

                                        #2784
                                        I looked here on SBR. I went to the main page and clicked on match ups of the games.
                                        Click on any team and you will get stats for the year for each team. It doesn't break
                                        down too much.
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                                        • ebbearsfb1
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 12-07-08
                                          • 18815

                                          #2785
                                          Originally posted by big limpin
                                          Try this one. This originally started with me trying to prove to a friend that chase systems do not work... this one is stubborn though Bet AGAINST a team for a 6 game chase after they have lost to a shutout. Been doing this for 5 years now... minimum profits has been +136 units on the season. I am still convinced it will lose but the system is up well of 800+ units for the past 5 seasons. I start the system on opening day and go into "shut down" mode once September 1st hits. Like I said, I still believe that chase systems do not work... but this one has turned into a bit of an "ugly step sister" to my friends and I with the belief that it will lose. We actually cheer for it to lose - lol Keep in mind that we each only bet about .0010% of our roll for a "unit" win because we are convinced it will go belly up.... maybe this year. Wager responsibly fellas!!! Cheers!

                                          you should really start a fresh thread this idea, if not i'd like to have that in my thread of picks as an option

                                          how often does it go to 6 games?
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                                          • DustyDiamond
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 12-19-09
                                            • 772

                                            #2786
                                            chasing during preseason? Glad to see your doing well!!!
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                                            • DustyDiamond
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 12-19-09
                                              • 772

                                              #2787
                                              maybe espn.com or mlb.com ?
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                                              • Blargh
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 04-20-08
                                                • 241

                                                #2788
                                                Did this chase for the past year 1/2. In an earlier post someone was looking for past results. Below are my results. In 2010 I had to end it since another 6 game chase I was doing had a monumental breakdown, losing 10 straight, which caused my bankroll to breakdown. In 2009 there was a 7 game chase in Sept.
                                                Also remember, plays will differ based on where you got your opening lines. I used Pinnacle lines.
                                                Needless to say, take with a grain of salt. These are not official plays. Just my plays based off the system which I am sharing for the curious.



                                                I am going to do it again this year but I'll set a $ amount at which I withdraw any profit to date before continuing to chase.
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                                                • rkelly110
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                                                  • 10-05-09
                                                  • 39691

                                                  #2789
                                                  GL Blargh, based on my own research, I know I won't do it for either lab or chase.
                                                  I saw that one bet of over $700. Whew! I personally think those kind of bets are
                                                  bookie traps.

                                                  What you could do is set a max limit for your money, say $100 and just bet
                                                  that until you get back to even. Then restart your chase. IMO
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                                                  • PALLETIZE
                                                    SBR Rookie
                                                    • 03-07-10
                                                    • 30

                                                    #2790
                                                    System Integrity

                                                    Originally posted by rkelly110
                                                    GL Blargh, based on my own research, I know I won't do it for either lab or chase.
                                                    I saw that one bet of over $700. Whew! I personally think those kind of bets are
                                                    bookie traps.

                                                    What you could do is set a max limit for your money, say $100 and just bet
                                                    that until you get back to even. Then restart your chase. IMO
                                                    As far as the System Iintegrity system goes, How do you think it would work if you would use a Laby for a,b,and c bets and then if it goes past that then go back to regular chase system bets on the d,e, and f bets?
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                                                    • rkelly110
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                                                      • 10-05-09
                                                      • 39691

                                                      #2791
                                                      You could do that Palletize, it will still be a bank roll eater though. Those six or more
                                                      losses in a row don't come up too often, but when they do, your screwed.

                                                      Maybe set a loss limit of 4 games for a labby and/or 3 games for a chase. Stop, take a break
                                                      and wait for a win to continue.

                                                      Paper trade it if you have back info. Go to Blarghs spread sheet above and try it out.
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                                                      • slapshot
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 10-27-07
                                                        • 1194

                                                        #2792
                                                        i have researched the system during the off-season…….my conclusion is based on pinnacle opening lines is to bet the biggest favorite of the day -1 run……..minimum three games on the card for the day……longest losing streak last five seasons is 5 games.

                                                        keep in mind…no chase system works if the unit size is too big compared to your bankroll.

                                                        to make this system work, your unit size must be small…………….i will play to win 1% of the bankroll.

                                                        in addition to this I will play it with the labby strategy…..the system generates roughly 100 units for the season.

                                                        is worthwhile playing to win that small amount??……my answer is yes if the bankroll is big enough…..if your bankroll is 100 bucks, i would opt for other strategies.
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                                                        • DustyDiamond
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 12-19-09
                                                          • 772

                                                          #2793
                                                          slapshot, what is your labby strategy? 1 line?
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                                                          • slapshot
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 10-27-07
                                                            • 1194

                                                            #2794
                                                            Originally posted by DustyDiamond
                                                            slapshot, what is your labby strategy? 1 line?
                                                            i've been experimenting with different variations of the labby, concluded one line is the way to go......crossing out two numbers on the list for every win, and adding one number for every loss.

                                                            i'll stick to this until something is proven more efficient.
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                                                            • do5000
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 06-06-08
                                                              • 853

                                                              #2795
                                                              Originally posted by big limpin
                                                              We bet the money line. Sometimes we have found ourselves on a fat bet when chasing the 5th game with +180 and it comes through... CHA CHING! lol

                                                              I still think it will eventually lose but the system seems to have gotten more successful as each year has passed.

                                                              2010 was our best year yet.

                                                              I would still stick with the .0010% fellas... it sounds super anal but I think this system should still be used for FUN.

                                                              Save your 1-3 % bets for the serious capping.
                                                              last season some people suggested waiting 1-2 games before jumping in. might be worth a look for your system.
                                                              let a team get shut out, then if then win the next 2, chase them to lose.
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                                                              • DustyDiamond
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 12-19-09
                                                                • 772

                                                                #2796
                                                                Originally posted by do5000
                                                                last season some people suggested waiting 1-2 games before jumping in. might be worth a look for your system.
                                                                let a team get shut out, then if then win the next 2, chase them to lose.
                                                                I posted the 2010 back testing for the shutout system in the John Morrison MLB thread
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                                                                • big limpin
                                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                                  • 01-26-11
                                                                  • 208

                                                                  #2797
                                                                  Originally posted by do5000
                                                                  last season some people suggested waiting 1-2 games before jumping in. might be worth a look for your system.
                                                                  let a team get shut out, then if then win the next 2, chase them to lose.
                                                                  Have never waited in the past. Obviously there won't be any action on Opening Day. As soon as the first shut out occurs I begin my wagering season.

                                                                  Hasn't been an issue in the past. I think the earliest I ever hit a system loss was end of April in 2008.

                                                                  Looking forward to next week.
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                                                                  • big limpin
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 01-26-11
                                                                    • 208

                                                                    #2798
                                                                    Originally posted by DustyDiamond
                                                                    I posted the 2010 back testing for the shutout system in the John Morrison MLB thread
                                                                    Hi Dusty,

                                                                    Were you back testing the "Bet For" or "Bet Against"?? Last season I brought home 167 units running the "Bet Against" system.

                                                                    One filter that I do add is:

                                                                    If a team has suffered a shut and the next day plays against another team you are already working on, allow your first team to finished the 6 game chase / or win before you begin chasing the other team.

                                                                    I think that is important as you never want to guarantee a loss for any of the teams you are chasing. If you bet both sides you are obviously guaranteeing a B bet for one team.

                                                                    Hope this helps! Looking forward to next week!
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                                                                    • dlunc3
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 10-31-09
                                                                      • 9129

                                                                      #2799
                                                                      Originally posted by big limpin
                                                                      Hi Dusty,

                                                                      Were you back testing the "Bet For" or "Bet Against"?? Last season I brought home 167 units running the "Bet Against" system.

                                                                      One filter that I do add is:

                                                                      If a team has suffered a shut and the next day plays against another team you are already working on, allow your first team to finished the 6 game chase / or win before you begin chasing the other team.

                                                                      I think that is important as you never want to guarantee a loss for any of the teams you are chasing. If you bet both sides you are obviously guaranteeing a B bet for one team.

                                                                      Hope this helps! Looking forward to next week!
                                                                      Do you by any chance have the record from last year? Were there any losses? And if you only bet to win .001% of your unit, wouldnt that be only 10 cents if your unit size was $100?
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                                                                      • dlunc3
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 10-31-09
                                                                        • 9129

                                                                        #2800
                                                                        Originally posted by slapshot
                                                                        i have researched the system during the off-season…….my conclusion is based on pinnacle opening lines is to bet the biggest favorite of the day -1 run……..minimum three games on the card for the day……longest losing streak last five seasons is 5 games.

                                                                        keep in mind…no chase system works if the unit size is too big compared to your bankroll.

                                                                        to make this system work, your unit size must be small…………….i will play to win 1% of the bankroll.

                                                                        in addition to this I will play it with the labby strategy…..the system generates roughly 100 units for the season.

                                                                        is worthwhile playing to win that small amount??……my answer is yes if the bankroll is big enough…..if your bankroll is 100 bucks, i would opt for other strategies.

                                                                        A few quick things...

                                                                        I tracked this system for a while last year, and noticed a few key issues that I think should be looked at... A quick series that comes to mind is the Tex/Balt series in July.. Tex was the biggest favorite for 4 straight days.. if you were to bet the -1rl on the biggest favorite each day, you would have lost over 80 units just on this series. If you were to go on and make the 5th bet, you would have had to risk over 200 units..

                                                                        What i take from this is...

                                                                        #1: Apply some type of filter to not bet the same team more then once... this way one slumping team cannot completely crush your bankroll.

                                                                        #2: Use some type of labby system (as slapshot spoke of), or bet to win .25% or less of your bank roll to ensure that you have plenty of money to make all 5 bets..


                                                                        Slapshot--- a few questions you may know the answer to..

                                                                        Do you know how the history of this system may look with this filter (not playing the same team more then once in a single series) applied?

                                                                        How have you been determining what team to bet when both teams have the same line? Say both teams are -250 for the day?

                                                                        Thanks and best of luck..
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