[bracerman]

Tony, you never cease to amaze me....

[jboy4]

Cant wait to see what happens with this tomorrow....

[bettilimbroke999]

Cant wait to see what happens with this tomorrow....

Heres a preview:

Poster gets nothing except for a refunded 52 dollar deposit, SBR approves as always when a dispute arises with an advertising book, 5Dimes keeps A+ rating as long as the advertising dollars keep rollin in

[jesuseatsnubs]

If 5dimes does not pay this guy .. Everyone needs to boycott them .. JUST STOP using them .

It will be a bigger hit to them then anything else . Give your business to someone else .. stop using 5dimes .

[LVHerbie]

I think the big issue here is that they hid behind their terms in the last dispute, and this time their terms clearly state to consult payout charts for proper odds on casino games, so um, what now?

When was the last time you saw Cris or pinnacle (neither of which, BTW, has a bot clause that I can find) having a dispute of the nature of these two?

SBR's rating says that an A rating represents "Elite, top 1% of all Sportsbooks, Guaranteed safety & quality." Regardless of what they ruled in the last dispute or the outcome of this one, and while it is great that 5dimes is currently responsive to mediation through SBR, I don't think anyone is going to argue that Tony's casino offerings are representative of concept of guaranteed quality...

[LVHerbie]

Heres a preview:

Poster gets nothing except for a refunded 52 dollar deposit, SBR approves as always when a dispute arises with an advertising book, 5Dimes keeps A+ rating as long as the advertising dollars keep rollin in

Sad that a poster with over 8000 post would be spouting off with such bullshit...

[rumple]

OP was a shot taker, should have balance confiscated.

[LVHerbie]

He did bet into a bad line. I'm just not convinced that a software error is as insignificant as an actual bad line, in terms of human error. There's something called beta testing.

Unless there is something here besides what the player (and 5dimes verified in chat) the software didn't **** up the human who put in the paytable and didn't verify that it was correct did... I would definitely agree that there is no beta testing (or any other system of verification) going on in Tony's casino...

[Doug]

Tony is not going to pay this and SBR won't downgrade them. He might pay $100 extra.....maybe !

[VTranX]

32k dayum what i cud do with that moeny...

[runner5k]

I doubt all this negative publicity will change anything about how that run that place either

[LegitBet]

Here's an interesting question. Using all the known facts here, do you think a player that lost ALOT in two hours and then realized he made errors in/with his own capping model/math and rushed his action in without double checking his work would under this sceanario reversed not get laughed off the chat?
Let's say the book knew this guy to be sharp and figured he effed up his 'payout expectation table', but continued to let the player bet away his money?
Any corollary here?

[bettilimbroke999]

Sad that a poster with over 8000 post would be spouting off with such bullshit...

Hey, I love SBR, they are the best online gambling forum in the world easily, but if you dont see the "advertising bias" here you're a ******* fool

Look at how their attitude towards BetPhoenix instantly changed after the advertising dollars dried up, do u think thats a fuckin coincidence? Open your eyes for 10 seconds and realize SBR is a business, they dont make any money bc a couple morons like you and I post bullshit on their site they get paid bc sportsbooks send them fat affiliate/advertising checks to get suckers like you and I to signup and lose their cash, now when they diss and downgrade a book that does two things that pisses off the book and lowers the number of ppl that want to signup for that book, now how intelligent would it be for them to simultaneously piss of their advertisers and lower their affiliate income when thats their only source of income?

Think of it like this, how intelligent would it be for you to walk into your bosses office tomorrow and kick him as hard as you can in the nuts?

[bettilimbroke999]

Here's an interesting question. Using all the known facts here, do you think a player that lost ALOT in two hours and then realized he made errors in/with his own capping model/math and rushed his action in without double checking his work would under this sceanario reversed not get laughed off the chat?
Let's say the book knew this guy to be sharp and figured he effed up his 'payout expectation table', but continued to let the player bet away his money?
Any corollary here?

Players dont have the option of making "mistakes" bc they pay in advance in the form of deposits, when you request a payout your basically sending the book a bill to pay, then they choose to pay it or not, when you lose you they dont send you a bill (giving you the option to decide you dont like that the bets you made were -EV and not pay) they just keep the money you already sent them

Essentially the way SBR always rules is that any advertising book that ever takes a +EV wager is allowed to confiscate all the winnings, of course those who played the game and lost just lost their money, this basically eliminates any risk the book has and is probably why Tony doesnt really give a **** if his games are +EV or not since he aint gonna pay ya if you win anyway, in reality it would be better for him to make all the games +EV and just stiff all the winners

[pokerplayer22]

The settlement option is a joke its all or nothing pay the man or don't. Obviously I say pay him in full but giving him a partial payment is not acceptable either. He may be willing to take that because he knows he has an uphill battle to get it all and honestly I probably would do the same but it does not change the fact he is owed the whole balance. People make mistakes every day in the real world that costs them millions of dollars, their homes, their freedom their families etc. You are responsible and accountable for your mistakes now deal with the consequences. I hope he gets paid in full and buys a sweet ride with a license plate "thxtony"

Agree 100%. Ive been a 5dimes supporter for years but the player won the money fair and square. He didnt use a bot, didnt play too fast or too slow, or didnt take same length breaks. 5dimes are the ones who fuked the payout table up. They should pay this guy and thank him for stopping at 32k. He could have busted them up even more. Plus who knows how many others could have busted them up had they not been made aware of this error now.

5dimes needs to pay the winning player 100% of monies owed and not pull an Ezstreet. This talk of settlements is ridiculous. If they dont pay in full, then SBR needs to do the right thing here and they do need to downgrade them to at least a C.

[fury]

Let's at least wait for the SBR response before we start ripping them...

[Czu81]

hope u get some $$ but seriously doubt the whole 32k. GL!

[TheMoneyShot]

TB, I don't think you'll get the full 32K. Tony was open to a number, though. I would have thrown out '5 Dimes', and kept it light. Basically Tony would be paying you for beta testing;

If you look closely at the conversation Tony was being sarcastic when asking for an amount. Even if the player said $500.00 Tony would of declined. You could tell by the outline of Tony's responses that he was dead set correct on this.


As for my personal opinion on another 5Dimes blockbuster...

To the player... you knew you had an advantage playing this casino game that's why you quickly deposited a small amount to work with. You knew the percentages were in your favor right from the start. It's the same principle as an online sportsbook's odds being misrepresented and/or a clear ERROR on the board. A player wagers on the game... and then wins the game but finds out his wager was refunded because of an error in the LINE. Tony has a right to be cocky to you... because in a way you are insulting his intelligence.

As For 5Dimes... I have no problem with this book. I don't Mickey Mouse around playing casino games. Grab the damn Bull by its horns and start making some plays on the board. If you win fairly... they will pay you... in 3 business days to be exact (courier check). Each and every time. But if you take cheap shots at them... do you think they should stand there and take it from you? You know it was BS odds. They know it was BS odds... why are we wasting time on this?

[ROYAJA8]

dam $50 to 32 grand nice. Cant believe they ****** up their odds that bad. hopefully they hook you up with all that winnings but its hard to believe they will blaming bad odds. good luck bro.

[horja1]

You shouldve won a million then agreed to "settle" for 100k

Plus it woulda made an incredible thread "5Dimes stole a million from me"

I'm sure thay have a TILT light somewhere in casino when a player hits and certain amount of winnings

[Dark Horse]

If you look closely at the conversation Tony was being sarcastic when asking for an amount. Even if the player said $500.00 Tony would of declined. You could tell by the outline of Tony's responses that he was dead set correct on this.


As for my personal opinion on another 5Dimes blockbuster...

To the player... you knew you had an advantage playing this casino game that's why you quickly deposited a small amount to work with. You knew the percentages were in your favor right from the start. It's the same principle as an online sportsbook's odds being misrepresented and/or a clear ERROR on the board. A player wagers on the game... and then wins the game but finds out his wager was refunded because of an error in the LINE. Tony has a right to be cocky to you... because in a way you are insulting his intelligence.

As For 5Dimes... I have no problem with this book. I don't Mickey Mouse around playing casino games. Grab the damn Bull by its horns and start making some plays on the board. If you win fairly... they will pay you... in 3 business days to be exact (courier check). Each and every time. But if you take cheap shots at them... do you think they should stand there and take it from you? You know it was BS odds. They know it was BS odds... why are we wasting time on this?

Agree with that on the sportsbook side. I don't know WTF Tony is brewing on the casino side, but I wish he would just forget about it. This is getting way too avant garde. I'm getting dizzy of all the bots, +112's and +390's floating around. If you want to get off on something else than the regular scales, grab a saxophone or something.

[LVHerbie]

Hey, I love SBR, they are the best online gambling forum in the world easily, but if you dont see the "advertising bias" here you're a ******* fool

Look at how their attitude towards BetPhoenix instantly changed after the advertising dollars dried up, do u think thats a fuckin coincidence? Open your eyes for 10 seconds and realize SBR is a business, they dont make any money bc a couple morons like you and I post bullshit on their site they get paid bc sportsbooks send them fat affiliate/advertising checks to get suckers like you and I to signup and lose their cash, now when they diss and downgrade a book that does two things that pisses off the book and lowers the number of ppl that want to signup for that book, now how intelligent would it be for them to simultaneously piss of their advertisers and lower their affiliate income when thats their only source of income?

Think of it like this, how intelligent would it be for you to walk into your bosses office tomorrow and kick him as hard as you can in the nuts?

Nice building of a straw man argument and use it to go on a long rant... Probably equally as absurd as your original use of the word "always" which was the reason of my original reply...

[Slainte]

50 to 32K in just few hours of play this sounds pretty amazing. Wish you good luck in the dispute Tackleberry 5dimes casino where dreams come true

[Counterfeit Cash]

I know i'm late to the game, but wow...again?

the first time around I get, but this time...even AFTER adjusting the tables? Just take an "L," Pay the guy and erase your casino ALTOGETHER Tony!

Moses smell the roses

[Lazy-Man]

You took a shot so you should get paid shit. Its like playing a bad line when it's obvious

[lt56]

From 5 Dimes rules: 5Dimes reserves the right to reverse the incorrect application of funds into an account due to human or system/software error.

The game was clearly in error with a +390 favoring the player. Maybe I'm wrong here but gambling is supposed to be all about risk-reward and not searching the web for casinos that make errors which is what this guy admits to doing. This guy sends in a measly $50 because he knows with +390 he'll win huge. He then comes here and politely says that he saw a payout error and robbed the book and most everyone supports him? Why? Screw him. I think Tony handled this right by giving him back his own medicine by politely telling him he gets nothing which is what he deserves. I think 5Dimes is right to reverse the payout because this clearly is an error and this is no different than a human error or a system error that posts a wrong sports line. The problem I see now for 5Dimes is that their sportsbook is definitely A+, but the casino is definitely not A+. If a sportsbook is A+ and casino is not A+ can the overall rating stay A+? Interested to see how SBR rules.

[Dark Horse]

Paying the guy in full would set the wrong precedent. Hordes of people would just start to comb through casino games in search of obvious errors. Who knows? Maybe they already are. Errors do happen. We may as well accept that as fact. The difference with Vegas and online casinos is that Vegas is constantly watching the action. If something looks off, they're on top of it. To me, personally, that is a number one requirement for operating a good casino. And it is one reason why I can't take this online casino stuff serious.

One other thing. What happens when an online casino, through a similar error, ends up with a +390% advantage? If you can show that happened, mathematically, do you think the casino will have any other reply than 'tough luck'? Do not trust online casinos. They can do whatever they want, at whatever odds they want. And if they make a mistake, it doesn't count. The sad thing, for 5D, is that they can expect 'armies of bots' (*Justin7) at their door any time, because this casino has been identified publicly as very prone to mistakes. Close the door on your casino, Tony. It's just not your gig.

This reminds me of a very reputable book, that I will not mention by name, that actually did offer me a return on a loss in a card game, after I pointed out to them that they were obviously using different settings; one for practice, one for real money. I thought that was a form of cheating, and they agreed and increased the level of practice mode. I didn't take the refund, because I would have kept playing if real mode had been as easy as practice mode. However, the point is simple. There are always different settings. And not all may be within 'Vegas rules'.

[LVHerbie]

From 5 Dimes rules: 5Dimes reserves the right to reverse the incorrect application of funds into an account due to human or system/software error.

The game was clearly in error with a +390 favoring the player. Maybe I'm wrong here but gambling is supposed to be all about risk-reward and not searching the web for casinos that make errors which is what this guy admits to doing. This guy sends in a measly $50 because he knows with +390 he'll win huge. He then comes here and politely says that he saw a payout error and robbed the book and most everyone supports him? Why? Screw him. I think Tony handled this right by giving him back his own medicine by politely telling him he gets nothing which is what he deserves. I think 5Dimes is right to reverse the payout because this clearly is an error and this is no different than a human error or a system error that posts a wrong sports line. The problem I see now for 5Dimes is that their sportsbook is definitely A+, but the casino is definitely not A+. If a sportsbook is A+ and casino is not A+ can the overall rating stay A+? Interested to see how SBR rules.

In this case I don't think the player should get paid (at least not 32k) but I think most people are arguing that the 5dimes should pay him pay based on the fact that it was just demonstrated that 5dimes had bad paytables only days ago and they clearly did little to insure that the situation would not be repeated..

Unless someone can justify how a sportsbooks' casinos can be complete fuckfest and not reflect poorly on the quality on the brand overall I definitely agree that a rating downgrade is more then in order...

[jairocon]

Interesting... but I also think this will be handled as an obviously bad line - therefore bets are void. I doubt this will get paid up.

[9XL]

Saying SBR always rules in favor of the advertising book is not true. Justin7 and Lou from SBR mediated a dispute I had with 5Dimes within the past year and I was paid in full. I am very grateful for SBR's help, I doubt I would have gotten my money without them.

[barcelonafc]

here we go again, 5 dimes getting taken to the cleaners, this guy tony is shooting himslf in the foot bigtime

[Extra Innings]

was mahoney and hightower involved?

[LVHerbie]

What happens when an online casino, through a similar error, ends up with a +390% advantage?

In this case while the player would have to be pretty mentally disadvantaged (I won't use the word retarded because in your example we aren't talking about 5dimes/Tony) to play the game offered and the casino would get to keep the money...

[TheMoneyShot]

Agree with that on the sportsbook side. I don't know WTF Tony is brewing on the casino side, but I wish he would just forget about it. This is getting way too avant garde. I'm getting dizzy of all the bots, +112's and +390's floating around. If you want to get off on something else than the regular scales, grab a saxophone or something.

Agreed. LOL Always a pleasure reading your posts!

[bettilimbroke999]

50 to 32K in just few hours of play this sounds pretty amazing. Wish you good luck in the dispute Tackleberry 5dimes casino where dreams come true

When a game has a 400% expected return its not very hard to win a ton, for every dollar you bet you should get 4 back, Im not sure what the max bet is but if it were 5 bucks you would expect to make 15 dollars profit per deal, considering a deal takes like 5 seconds you would profit 180 dollars/minute betting 5 bucks a hand or 10,800 profit/hour. Not bad pay

Clearly this was another ridiculous mistake by 5Dimes casino, I would say a 1000 payday would be fair, I know I know everybody wants him to get 32k but lets be realistic here