[MagicDiceFlow]

This doubles match is scheduled right before the big match later today and I think we've got some excellent value in Errani/Vinci at only -145. For those that don't wager on doubles matches much, Errani/Vinci are one of the most powerful doubles duo in the WTA game the last couple of years.

Before making their names in the singles tour, these two have dominated the women's doubles side regardless of the surface and have started the year with a stout 8-1 record. They are very strong volleyers and have incredible net presence and anticipation which is required to be successful in doubles. Makarova/Vesnina may possess more power but power is secondary to net prowess in the doubles game.

This line should be close to -200 and to grab them at only -145 at the moment is an absolute steal.

Best of Luck everyone and congrats to everyone that cashed on Stan da Man last night, it was an awesome match!

[Bill_Hicks]

How strong of a play? A few units?
Thanks MDF

[MagicDiceFlow]

I've got $725 to win $500

You're welcome, Bill.

[Jago2008]

Yeah the Wawrinka match was great, had a smaller investment on Wawrinka than I did Federer but the match was definitely more entertaining. It felt like Berdych was slowly starting to build confidence but as usual managed to have those unforced errors we're accustomed to, Wawrinka had many chances to put the match away in the 2nd set. I'm over here on the west coast so sleep has seemed like a premium of late, lol.

With all this said I don't pay enough attention to doubles to give a technical opinion but have noticed Errani/Vinci's success. The line has already made a small move to -155. Good luck, I'm going to look into this matchup. Thanks for your input.

[Bill_Hicks]

-135 on pinny right now, will lock it in

[MagicDiceFlow]

Yeah the Wawrinka match was great, had a smaller investment on Wawrinka than I did Federer but the match was definitely more entertaining. It felt like Berdych was slowly starting to build confidence but as usual managed to have those unforced errors we're accustomed to, Wawrinka had many chances to put the match away in the 2nd set. I'm over here on the west coast so sleep has seemed like a premium of late, lol.

With all this said I don't pay enough attention to doubles to give a technical opinion but have noticed Errani/Vinci's success. The line has already made a small move to -155. Good luck, I'm going to look into this matchup. Thanks for your input.

I've been sleeping at 6am and getting up at 10am the last 10 days so my sleep bank is seriously derived. Good thing my other bank is making up for it. I also run my own business and have the luxury of working from home which helps. I just have to get up for a few hours when the stock market opens , make my trades and go back to sleep.



Regarding the Wawrinka match, this was a great match and Berdy played well but just couldnt capitalize on the big points which is what separates the top five players from the rest of the league. A lot of people were worried about Wawrinka's mental game before the match but I mentioned earlier in the thread of how composed and mentality strong Wawrinka has become over the last year. This guy has the complete package now to become one of the top three players in the world at the moment.

Best of Luck Jago on your bets today.

[frugalgambler]

Good call on Wawrinka, MDF. But I think this one will be very close. The Russians won their last two meetings: in the French Open final and in Istanbul last year; both pretty important occasions. Good luck. I might not tail you here .

[MagicDiceFlow]

-135 on pinny right now, will lock it in

Yep lock that in , that's the same as the Heritage line except Pinny uses a dime line and Heritage a 20 cent line. It hasnt moved much yet because a lot of guys have much of their money riding on the big match.

When the sharps see this line , they're gonna pound it later.

[Hardcoar]

Actually that's the exact opposite of how it works (on average)... "the sharps" are generally speaking far earlier to hit the lines whereas late market movement stems from massive public "action" bets.

[frugalgambler]

I am taking the over in this one, but for a small bet. GL on your plays.

[EaglesPhan36]

I think you are way off on how high you think the price should be. It's accurate where it's at IMO. Makarova-Vesnina beat them twice last year & Errani-Vinci won against them in the 3rd meeting at the AO last year. Errani-Vinci faded last year too after losing to this team in the French Final. The match-up is perfect because of the teams that play regularly, these are the two best IMO.

Errani-Vinci are pretty fortunate to be here. They were down big in the 3rd set to Black-Mirza in the QFs. I think it was 5-2, but they somehow came back and won 6-4. Although they are obviously a very fluid duo, their lack of serve always scares me. If you don't watch doubles, it is fun to see. Expect typical WTA serving though with several breaks.

I think it's a coin flip.

[frugalgambler]

I think you are way off on how high you think the price should be. It's accurate where it's at IMO. Makarova-Vesnina beat them twice last year & Errani-Vinci won against them in the 3rd meeting at the AO last year. Errani-Vinci faded last year too after losing to this team in the French Final. The match-up is perfect because of the teams that play regularly, these are the two best IMO.

Errani-Vinci are pretty fortunate to be here. They were down big in the 3rd set to Black-Mirza in the QFs. I think it was 5-2, but they somehow came back and won 6-4. Although they are obviously a very fluid duo, their lack of serve always scares me. If you don't watch doubles, it is fun to see. Expect typical WTA serving though with several breaks.

I actually love watching doubles, especially WTA. Too bad they are usually not televised. Vesnina-Makarova started to play together only in 2012 so their first three losses to the Italians should be taken with a grain of salt. If they produce the upset, they will dethrone the Italians and will become the world number 1 pair. A very important match for both pairs.

[MagicDiceFlow]

I think you are way off on how high you think the price should be. It's accurate where it's at IMO. Makarova-Vesnina beat them twice last year & Errani-Vinci won against them in the 3rd meeting at the AO last year. Errani-Vinci faded last year too after losing to this team in the French Final. The match-up is perfect because of the teams that play regularly, these are the two best IMO.

Errani-Vinci are pretty fortunate to be here. They were down big in the 3rd set to Black-Mirza in the QFs. I think it was 5-2, but they somehow came back and won 6-4. Although they are obviously a very fluid duo, their lack of serve always scares me. If you don't watch doubles, it is fun to see. Expect typical WTA serving though with several breaks.

I think it's a coin flip.

Erranci/Vinci faded last year due to their success on the singles tour forcing them to play a ton of matches in addition to their doubles matches. I believe without having to play much singles matches all tournament long , they are clicking again as duo. Also, Errani/Vinci's lack of serving does not concern me at all in doubles. Serving does not hold a significant edge in doubles as it is much harder to serve winners/aces when two players occupy the same side of the court. It throws off a lot of their angles that they are used to in singles serving. Plus Makarova's serving is incredibly weak to begin with.

This match will be won at the net and I like my chances with two of the best volleyers on the tour.

GL

[EaglesPhan36]

Well I'll agree to disagree. Serving holds importance in every facet of tennis, be it singles or doubles. It's certainly not a weapon for most of the women's teams - but you can certainly paint yourself into poor situations, be it a lot of break points having to be saved or what have you. I just don't think this match is as easy as you make it out to be, but I've been wrong plenty before.

[MagicDiceFlow]

Well I'll agree to disagree. Serving holds importance in every facet of tennis, be it singles or doubles. It's certainly not a weapon for most of the women's teams - but you can certainly paint yourself into poor situations, be it a lot of break points having to be saved or what have you. I just don't think this match is as easy as you make it out to be, but I've been wrong plenty before.

Also I think the books are overreacting to Vesnina/Makarova's last win against the duo. If you look deeper into in that match, Errani had to play three incredibly tough singles matches in that tournament in Istanbul. She had to play Li Na, Azarenka, and Jankovic all on consecutive days. She had to concentrate on the singles matches because this was an important year end championship tournament for the WTA in Istanbul so it was no rinky dink tournament. I follow Errani's tournament schedules religously because she has been a big moneymaker for me on the singles side so I'm very familiar with every match she's played the last year.

When this duo is on their game, they our incredibly hard to beat and at the minimum a -175 favorite against any other team on the tour including the #3 seed. I think the books are overplaying that last win but yes anything can happen, so we shall see.

Good luck man on your bets today.

[frugalgambler]

True that Errani had tough matches in Istanbul, but Makarova has also been playing with an injured wrist and she has not played for weeks prior to that tourney. Kinda balances out. I think it will be either a tight win by the Russians or they cannot handle the occasion and lose 2-0.

[MiddleMan]

I might get involved here. I placed my first ever wager on the doubles yesterday by backing the underdogs (Klaasen and Butorac). I do fancy the Italian duo here. Currently $1.72 with Pinnacle, which is a good price.

[EaglesPhan36]

Well last match against Peschke-Srebotnik, they were -155, so I think the line is about in line with the way they have been set for most of the tournament. I don't think they have really taken into account much of last year. If anything, probably would have been larger towards what you thought since it was a sound victory for Errani-Vinci. Good luck with this one. I'm waiting for the ATP doubles one myself. That Butorac-Klassen train is one I missed out on after they beat the Bryans. They just have not stopped.

[horja1]

IThey were down big in the 3rd set to Black-Mirza in the QFs. I think it was 5-2, but they somehow came back and won 6-4.

[EaglesPhan36]

Sorry, 4-1 I think it was. Math and me ain't good friends.

[Rustyglobes]

I'll play the over in this one, alot of the matches between these two teams the sets have reached 7-5 on multiple occasions and when you take into account the Makarova and Vesnina have played all in 3 setters this tournament

[kenz]

Definitely not a steal

They made a comeback from 1-4 on the 3rd set 2 breaks down against Black/Mirza, they were @7 live

The only reason they made a comeback was Black having very low IQ and return skills on a wanna-be ITF player

If you paired anyone with Mirza thay day, Italians would lose

They may lose today

[MagicDiceFlow]

The italians take the first set 6-4. They had a big 5-1 lead but the russians made a slight comeback before getting finished off. The lil munchkins are winning the battle at the net like I mentioned.

I havent seen a better volleyer in the game right now than Roberta Vinci. She is awesome at the net, incredible touch, drop volleying the russian team to death.

Italians with the great start.

[Conqueror]

It's a good play but definitely not a steal!

[frugalgambler]

Errani is f.cking it up big time in the last few games.

[kenz]

If there was a super tiebreak in the 3rd Russians would win.Italians suck at super tiebreaks in finals

Watched them twice with bare eyes. Vinci faded big time as match progressed in those 2 occasions

Honestly I thought over was the best bet, but liked Russians at these odds.It is a mental game now.

[jtoler]

Steal huh.

[MagicDiceFlow]

Errani played a bad set there in the second. Vinci still beasting though. Looks like we're going to a third set here.

If Errani just shapens and cut down on the errors, the italians got this in the 3rd.

[poet]

I bought out. Can't take watching these fuckin women!

[Rustyglobes]

Over hits

[TheCentaur]

This match is entertaining to the ears

[poet]

This match is entertaining to the ears

Yeah, but you must close your eyes.

[kenz]

Vesnina is hot

She has a porn video on the net, but you cant see her face It is assumed it is her

[frugalgambler]

If there was a super tiebreak in the 3rd Russians would win.Italians suck at super tiebreaks in finals

Watched them twice with bare eyes. Vinci faded big time as match progressed in those 2 occasions

Honestly I thought over was the best bet, but liked Russians at these odds.It is a mental game now.

There is no supertie-break in Grand Slams.

[kenz]

There is no supertie-break in Grand Slams.

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