[stealthyburrito]

clemson a dog

[Vegas39]

clemson a dog

You think

[stealthyburrito]

+2.5 I think is the opener vegas

[tony_come]

Public pound Sooners hard

[Vegas39]

+2.5 I think is the opener vegas

Hadn't even looked, very interesting.

[BigdaddyQH]

Clemson undefeated, should be #1. Michigan State defeated tougher teams than Alabama and should be #2, but that really does not matter. They will play each other no matter who is 2 and who is 3. Oklahoma played in what we now know is a weak conference and had one less win so they get the #4 rank.

[champlain]

Take clemson over oklahoma.
michigan state over alabama

[thetrinity]

Made for TV so saban can go against his old team.

Also so the "best" 2 teams can play Jan 11.

[texhooper]

good thing people will be doing rails on new years eve so they'll be able to stay awake during the michigan state/bama game.

talk about a SNOOZEFEST in the making...

[texhooper]

ou/clemson on the other hand should be quite exciting. there's also gotta be a little revenge factor in there after last year's domination in the bowl by clemson over ou.

[seaborneq]

Clemson may win against Sooners, but they were screwed by the draw. I still don't believe the Tide to be a 2 seed based on the SEC East being so weak and no one else in the SEC West has fewer than 2 losses.

[texhooper]

ou is at a disadvantage because they didn't have the opportunity to play in a conference championship game, plus the big 12 seemed to sort of fall apart there at the end. i actually agree with everything bigdaddy said in his post about the seeding.

[seaborneq]

ou is at a disadvantage because they didn't have the opportunity to play in a conference championship game, plus the big 12 seemed to sort of fall apart there at the end. i actually agree with everything bigdaddy said in his post about the seeding.

So it didn't matter how bad Bama and MSU looked yesterday??????? Just the fact that they "participated" made ALL the difference in the world. That looks like the case. Sad. Participation trophies for everybody who played yesterday. Stanford looked better than both Sparty and Bama. I guess that doesn't mean anything either.

[Vegas39]

So it didn't matter how bad Bama and MSU looked yesterday??????? Just the fact that they "participated" made ALL the difference in the world. That looks like the case. Sad. Participation trophies for everybody who played yesterday. Stanford looked better than both Sparty and Bama. I guess that doesn't mean anything either.

Had Stanford not had 2 losses they'd be in. OU would not be in if that was case

[seaborneq]

Had Stanford not had 2 losses they'd be in. OU would not be in if that was case

So the Big 12 should be left OUT ANY year that the other 4 conferences play a championship game???

[Vegas39]

So the Big 12 should be left OUT ANY year that the other 4 conferences play a championship game???

If you have teams with same record that play a title game yes

[seaborneq]

If you have teams with same record that play a title game yes

They may as well kick them out of the Power 5 now then. Only way the Big 12 gets to play is IF you other guys have a down year. Doesn't matter what you do during the regular season if you are the Big 12.................screwed

[Vegas39]

They may as well kick them out of the Power 5 now then. Only way the Big 12 gets to play is IF you other guys have a down year. Doesn't matter what you do during the regular season if you are the Big 12.................screwed

Or they actually play a title game and then their teams aren't at a disadvantage

[seaborneq]

Or they actually play a title game and then their teams aren't at a disadvantage

I guess the Big 12 needs to add Houston and Western Kentucky and play a championship game pronto.

[Vegas39]

I guess the Big 12 needs to add Houston and Western Kentucky and play a championship game pronto.

I would've after not having one last year cost TCU a chance at title

[mikewlgm]

I guess the Big 12 needs to add Houston and Western Kentucky and play a championship game pronto.

Or BYU and Memphis or Houston or Cincinnati

To much money in conf champ game to not have one

[itchypickle]

Bama up to 9 and 9.5

Sooners up to 3.5

Where do these lines end up at game time fellas?

[texhooper]

It is a clear disadvantage for the teams in the Big 12 to not have a conference championship game and yes, it should be a strike against them until they get their shit together and get two more teams in. And yeah, I personally don't think the Big 12 should be considered for the playoff until they do this. It's not fair to everyone else who has to play another big matchup. You can make specific arguments like "oh so Alabama playing Florida was a big time matchup, yeah right" but it's the principle of the matter. If OU loses their conference championship game this year then Stanford is in, so if I'm Stanford I'm pissed. It's not fair to everyone else that the Big 12 gets to sit on their ass a week early.

[texhooper]

And I bet the only reason that Baylor game was scheduled for yesterday was because they thought Baylor would get the bid this year, so just them being on TV would keep voters from forgetting about them. They know this is a disadvantage to their conference.

[teaserpleaser]

BCS is like your sex life DEAD

Damn I miss it though ...style points made for easy overs...teams like Oregon dropping 70 on teams.

[Vegas39]

And I bet the only reason that Baylor game was scheduled for yesterday was because they thought Baylor would get the bid this year, so just them being on TV would keep voters from forgetting about them. They know this is a disadvantage to their conference.

I agree and as I mentioned this should be mandatory for ALL power 5 conferences

[texhooper]

Vegas sharp as always