[smoke a bowl]

Giant I don't have any stats in front of me. I watched mike his whole career. I have watched james up to now. Mike amazed me. He always found a way. James is a great player for sure but he ain't no jordan. Jordan had the killer instinct. James is getting a bit now.

The problem is you were watching Jordan as a kid when things amazed you more and now you are watching the game with more logical/critical eyes.

[smoke a bowl]

Defense, steals, blocked shots, never lost a playoff series when favored, played all 82 games 9 times, back to back 50 point games in the playoffs.

Led the league in steals in 3 different seasons, offensive player of the year and defensive player of the year in the same season, once averaged 43.7 pts/game in a playoff series.

Averaged over 30 points a game in 12 different years in the playoffs.

Did he win the series that he averaged 43.7 pts or did he get swept? Maybe he learned later on that scoring isn't everything.

[smoke a bowl]

I don't know, I was never a Bulls fan, but Jordan made every clutch shot I've ever seen.

Simply not the case. He is probably 2nd alltime in most buzzer beaters missed behind kobi. Not hating just speaking reality here.

[lakerboy]

The problem is you were watching Jordan as a kid when things amazed you more and now you are watching the game with more logical/critical eyes.

No. I was 24 when jordan got his first ring. Nobody did it like mike.

[smoke a bowl]

No. I was 24 when jordan got his first ring. Nobody did it like mike.

Like i said, you were a kid.

[jjgold]

Kobe played with much better players than Lebron

Kobe was a ball hog

its MJ #1 No Brainer
close with Duncan and Lebron #2

I am the authority here

[lakerboy]

Like i said, you were a kid.

Oh okay. So what was I 7 years later when mike got his 6th ring?

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Jordan was great player but world class jerkoff.

Guy is a recluse now. Lebron is probably a much nicer guey.

Jordan is a prick.

[smoke a bowl]

Oh okay. So what was I 7 years later when mike got his 6th ring?

Blinded by idolization? Not taking away anything from Jordan. You can obv make the case he's best of alltime. Actually tough to argue different. However I do think Lebron is looked at under a microscope that was never used when analyzing Jordan.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Woah. Lakerboy is almost 50???

Wouldn't have guessed this.

[lakerboy]

Blinded by idolization? Not taking away anything from Jordan. You can obv make the case he's best of alltime. Actually tough to argue different. However I do think Lebron is looked at under a microscope that was never used when analyzing Jordan.

Hardly. I hated jordan. Anyways I don't have any more to say except that jordan made the nba a global brand.

[Snowball]

I'm just glad someone on this forum is older than me, other than JJ,
even though I already graduated college before Jordan won his 1st ring.

[Walulu]

Averaged 41 against Phoenix in '93 Finals, so no Bulls didn't get swept. I don't think he ever learned that scoring wasn't everything.

Did he win the series that he averaged 43.7 pts or did he get swept? Maybe he learned later on that scoring isn't everything.

[smoke a bowl]

Averaged 41 against Phoenix in '93 Finals, so no Bulls didn't get swept. I don't think he ever learned that scoring wasn't everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_NBA_Playoffs


Sorry pal but he did get swept that series. Learn your history or stay out of the big boy conversations.

[stevenash]

I'm just glad someone on this forum is older than me, other than JJ,
even though I already graduated college before Jordan won his 1st ring.

I was like in Jr. HS

[raiders72001]

I took a look at the LeBron's play in the last 5:35 regulation and OT stats. Although they aren't big names the other players helped a lot.

5:35 Loose ball foul
4:46 Rebound
4:37 Bad pass
4:18 layup
2:26 Missed 27' shot
1:53 Charge
1:23 Rebound 1 of 2 FT
57 seconds assist
27 seconds: lost ball

OT:

1 three pointer
1 rebound
1 assist
1 turnover
Fouls Teague
Missed 7' shot
Missed 4' shot
Missed 12' shot

[raiders72001]

These are the other player's stats in OT

Thompson, Def reb
Thompson, Lay up
Smith, makes 23'
Shump, rebound
Dell- misses 26'
Dell- foul
Shump. rebound
Smith, misses 23'
Thompson, rebound.

[stevenash]

Simply not the case. He is probably 2nd alltime in most buzzer beaters missed behind kobi. Not hating just speaking reality here.

My point was, it seemed to me everytime I watched a Bull game, Jordan would bury the shot that was needed.
I wasn't saying it as a matter of fact from a stat standpoint, I was saying he was clutch everytime I saw him, but I did not see every Bulls game.

[jjgold]

The same guys take buzzer beater's and they blow more games and they win most have a very very small percentage of game-winning shots no matter who you are

[smoke a bowl]

I took a look at the LeBron's play in the last 5:35 regulation and OT stats. Although they aren't big names the other players helped a lot.

5:35 Loose ball foul
4:46 Rebound
4:37 Bad pass
4:18 layup
2:26 Missed 27' shot
1:53 Charge
1:23 Rebound 1 of 2 FT
57 seconds assist
27 seconds: lost ball

OT:

1 three pointer
1 rebound
1 assist
1 turnover
Fouls Teague
Missed 7' shot
Missed 4' shot
Missed 12' shot

What is your favorite NBA team?

[Walulu]

I'm sorry; did I state something that was inaccurate? I didn't think so. So you're right he had multiple series where he averaged over 40. One of which he lost however the one I stated was in the finals where he never lost. Sorry again pal...big boy conversation. Ha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_NBA_Playoffs


Sorry pal but he did get swept that series. Learn your history or stay out of the big boy conversations.

[STAX]

LeBron avgs for this postseason:

28 pts
10.5 reb
8.5 ast

thats his averages... when did Jordan ever do that?

[Seaweed]

1. Jordan 2. Lebron 3. Magic Johnson 4. Larry Bird 5. Kobe Bryant 6. Tim Duncan 7. Steve Nash

[STAX]

1. Jordan 2. Lebron 3. Magic Johnson 4. Larry Bird 5. Kobe Bryant 6. Tim Duncan 7. Steve Nash

seems about righth for right now... put duncan over kobe though. Nash never won one but he was sweet for sure. LeBron will pass jordan when he retires

[stevenash]

The numbers are skewed, take it from a numbers guy.
You didn't complete the question.

Irving was the team regular season in assists, and he's played considerable less minutes in these playoffs, not to mention he's missed the last two games. So, James, probably the best passing forward not named Larry Bird has to pick up the slack.
So, of course the assist numbers are going to be spiked,

Now, Kevin Love was the regular season team leader in rebounds, has not played in the post season since the opening round, so James, pretty much by default, has to pick up the rebounds.

Now when you take away Love's and Irving's scoring, of course James numbers are going to be skewed like that.
Do you really believe James averages 10.5 rebounds with Love playing 38 minutes every game in the pivot?

Not bloody likely.

You didn't complete the sentence Stax, I did for you.

[stevenash]

Did he win the series that he averaged 43.7 pts or did he get swept? Maybe he learned later on that scoring isn't everything.

No, Michael learned that lesson as a freshman at NC under Dean Smith when he told MJ if you don't learn to pass I'll cut you from the team.

[The Giant]

Wilt Chamberlain is in the top three of all time greatest basketball players.

The guy was Babe Ruth of basketball.

You kids don't know anything.

[smoke a bowl]

The numbers are skewed, take it from a numbers guy.
You didn't complete the question.

Irving was the team regular season in assists, and he's played considerable less minutes in these playoffs, not to mention he's missed the last two games. So, James, probably the best passing forward not named Larry Bird has to pick up the slack.
So, of course the assist numbers are going to be spiked,

Now, Kevin Love was the regular season team leader in rebounds, has not played in the post season since the opening round, so James, pretty much by default, has to pick up the rebounds.

Now when you take away Love's and Irving's scoring, of course James numbers are going to be skewed like that.
Do you really believe James averages 10.5 rebounds with Love playing 38 minutes every game in the pivot?

Not bloody likely.

You didn't complete the sentence Stax, I did for you.

So what you are saying is that he should be thankful that his 2 best teammates are currently out. Thanks for clearing that up pal.

[raiders72001]

I think that the players on Cle are underrated. Cle would be favored tomorrow if LeBron were OUT. He's shooting 42%, 16% from 3 and is the leading player in turnovers per game.

[The Giant]

These Lebron haters crack me up.

[raiders72001]

Wilt Chamberlain is in the top three of all time greatest basketball players.

The guy was Babe Ruth of basketball.

You kids don't know anything.

Agree. He was a track star and could run the floor. Not many big men could do it better.

As he did at Overbrook, Chamberlain again showcased his diverse athletic talent. He ran the 100-yard dash in 10.9 seconds, shot-putted 56 feet, triple jumpedmore than 50 feet, and won the high jump in the Big Eight track and field championships three straight years.^[29]

[smoke a bowl]

I think that the players on Cle are underrated. Cle would be favored tomorrow if LeBron were OUT. He's shooting 42%, 16% from 3 and is the leading player in turnovers per game.

What would they be -1? Then they would be a 7 pt dog back in ATL. Cmon dude they would fukking suck without Lebron. Delladova lmfao never heard of ya pal.

[The Giant]

Agree. He was a track star and could run the floor. Not many big men could do it better.

I like when we're on the same page, raiders.

Wilt Chamberlain once led the league in assists. Amazing!

[The Giant]

Cleveland would have had all the ping-pong balls in the lottery if it wasn't for Lebron.

It's a travesty he's not the MVP everything season.

[STAX]

The numbers are skewed, take it from a numbers guy.
You didn't complete the question.

Irving was the team regular season in assists, and he's played considerable less minutes in these playoffs, not to mention he's missed the last two games. So, James, probably the best passing forward not named Larry Bird has to pick up the slack.
So, of course the assist numbers are going to be spiked,

Now, Kevin Love was the regular season team leader in rebounds, has not played in the post season since the opening round, so James, pretty much by default, has to pick up the rebounds.

Now when you take away Love's and Irving's scoring, of course James numbers are going to be skewed like that.
Do you really believe James averages 10.5 rebounds with Love playing 38 minutes every game in the pivot?

Not bloody likely.

You didn't complete the sentence Stax, I did for you.

I wasnt answering a question, or completing a sentence. I was stating LeBron's stats for the playoffs. 28/10.5/8.5 ON AVERAGE!!! NO HAS EVER DONE THAT!!!! I dont care who is hurt, what is skewed, who played, who didnt play. LeBron is averaging 28/10.5/8.5 for THE ENTIRE PLAYOFFS SO FAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only thing skewed here is you trying to understand basketball. hahaha